I have a posting notice somewhere in the JPA void - if only I could access it!

I managed to complete 2 expenses claims today, and send them!!!! Where do we now find out what we're entitled to claim?

I haven't paid for my married quarter since I moved in 5 months ago. Just had the whole lot taken off me in one go this month. Thanks, (and yes, I had been saving the money in a high-interest account each month. That is not the point.)

Er - surely this is more than 4 times your daily rate of pay?

Tell them you want it back in order to pay them in accordance with the regs!

At the secret airbase in Oxon a spreadsheet was sent round with details of all the overpayments. Not only were the details given out an infringement of peoples privacy it gave the figures and all. A quick autosum gave the total overissue at 250K! I have also heard the suggestion that they intend to recover it all in one lump next month-so much for regs. And yes I have put it in a high interest account. Apparantly we can appeal to OC PMS if we want it recovered in the normal manner! Siggest we all do so and give the blunties some work to do.

If QRs are breached, initiate a redress, write to your MP and get the missus or a family member to contact the media with a "CSA farce unfolds in RAF" letter.

If many people are affected, then consider joint legal action.

Hopefully this farce will see the public light of day after everyone stops laughing at the clown Prescott and when Clarke finally goes.

From AMP yesterday:

'However, this does serve to highlight the importance of personnel taking responsibility for their personal information and informing JPAC of any apparent inaccuracies.'

Be good to get on the system to check for 'apparent inaccuracies' :ok:

Finally got my pay statement yesterday. Unless I'm doing it wrong how are you supposed to check it for accuracy if the rates aren't shown?

On the up side I do like the new HTD from mile 1 concept :)

Dallas,

Try your Station Webpage 'Publications' and then JSP 752 Chapter 6.

Are you sure? Check your HTD Contribution in the Deductions column.

FW

.....bugger :(

As it seems that I managed to get all the info I needed from PPrune re: JPA, here is the latest.

1. DESCRIPTION:

BACKGROUND

In response to the technical challenges...business continuity plans have been put in place for an initial period of up to 4 weeks...blah..in effect immediately.

CURRENT IMPLEMENTATION...Leave (Manual Forms), Disturbance Allowance. Individuals should complete JPA F018 and submit to Unit HR, Pay Queries (Contact JPAC EC), Emergency Contact Details (Unit HR), Changing Bank Account Details (Contact JPAC EC), Application for Early Termination (PVR) (details via BB), Employment Preferences. PMA staffs have published a letter promulgating the key principles of the interim assignment system...

FUTURE IMPLEMENTATION

...self-service element of JPA may involve the limited release of some of the functions detailed above to users...

Sorry, couldn't upload all the text, but it can be found on the BB

HTH

WRW

Exercise in cost cutting
 

Norfolkandgood - I think you'll find there's been a good cut in the HDT rates compared to the old RILOR. In addition, with the HDT now being capped at 50 miles a good few of us who were originally permitted to live up to 70 miles away from unit and claim for this distance are now well out of pocket.

(Still trying to work out how we had a pay rise yet my monthly pay went down considerably though :confused: ).

I suppose we have to grateful that we do get paid for coming to work, but it does put the mockers on the "travelling v house move" decisions made by many of us on posting before JPA came in force.:*

holy purple pay chits !!!
 

Just a thought in passing.

Anyone sussed out how come the old "blue" pay chits were sent by 2nd class mail and arrived about a week before you were paid whereas the new "purple" one are sent 1st class and arrive days after the lucky few have had their bank accounts furnished with cash ? :confused:

May I refer you and Norfolkandgood to my post #380 on Page 19 of this thread.:{

FW

Just having a look at one of the new JPA leave passes and it would appear that I can tick the box to get:

Time off for Dependants - If my wifes says I have to go shopping
Unpaid Leave - If I am stupid enough to want leave and not be paid for it
Career Break - If I have had enough of the RAF and fancy 6 months away
Parental Leave - Leave if my parents are coming to stay.

We have got thousands of the old F295D in the drawer which are now to be binned because JPA has reinvented the paper leave pass because as a computer system it stinks. JPA hasn't changed the way we do anything it has just changed the forms.:mad:

PA

Everything happens slower and at greater cost when its purple - see The Falklands

Well, I've left the Air Force but am due my last (part) months pay this month. Miracle of miracles, I actually get some cash but with no statement, I can't confirm whether it's correct or not. (I suspect the latter) I rang my last unit, trembling as flashbacks of the vinegar strokes of a crap life come rushing back whereupon I'm told to 'log in' to check the details. A short explanation of my new improved circumstances soon became a very long explanation. Result: "We'll make a note on your file, oh hang on, you don't have a file since you've left haven't you? I'll make a handwritten note and get back to you". I can barely contain my excitement as I wait to see if anyone actually calls.

I know, I'll chase up my tax free lump sum on retirement thing that I haven't got yet. I ring Glasgow pensions 3 times, the 3rd yields a response... from the MOD operator! Hello, I'm ringing glasgow pensions etc etc. "Ah, those lines are either ringing engaged or are diverting you to me, the MOD operator; hang on, I'll try and put you through again." 40 seconds of ringing yields the same fella. " Hello again, I'm still trying to ring Glasgow?" "Yes" he replies, "I know, but I told you they ring engaged or send you back to me." " So why did you try to reconnect me then?" I'm beginning to tremble again by this stage. "That's what we've been asked to do for all the knackered numbers so we can demonstrate we have made the effort to connect you to your desired number"

I really didn't think the Air Force could get any worse but, unbelievably, it has. Never regretted my PVR for a minute but I wouldn't mind getting me cash thanks, preferably with a statement which will free me from the requirement to log in to the JPA account that I don't bl**dy well have!!!

My current company works out my claims for me, since they know what 'duties' I've been cheerfully conducting, then send me a statement of monies owed before topping up my pay with exactly the same amount. Well my goodness. The compnay admin system even sent me birthday card this year!!! Well f*ck me!!!

Spent most of the day dealing with an Expense claim for a US trip (which has still to be successfully submitted) but picked up some top tips:
The Daily Subsistence rates are for lunch & dinner only. Breakfast should be on the hotac costs so don't get room only (which is standard across the US). The capped limit for B&B in the US is $160 in DC and NY but less in other cities. Advised to get CHBS or travel cell bookings in future (missing out on good company rates if visiting a contractor) as they will get B&B.
The rate (they still use the term rate despite being actuals) in the US for lunch and dinner is $52. Previously the $10 for breakfast could be used to up the daily figure but bfast should be in the room. This $52 is the top limit.
Previously you could claim £10 PIE regardless of spending it. You know can only spend PIE on a 3 min phonecall home, laundry and a newspaper. No exceptions. You do not need to keep receipts less than £5 but if audited you will have to write a letter stating it was for one of the three items. If it wasn't then its fraud. A coffee or a bottle of water should come out of the $52 'rate'. The MoD will be saving thousands alone on the PIE that it doesn't have to pay.
There is no place for hire car fuel so you have to put it in the Incidental Expenses drop down menu. This carries a £10 max limit and will incur a policy violation which means you will be audited.
If you make more than 4 claims a month you will be audited. This is an Army rule applied to all services because 'anyone making more than 4 claims a month must be a fraud.'
If you ring into the JPAC and they place a service call back to you to answer a query they have 24 hrs to get you an answer. However all they have to do is 'attempt' to call you back twice before the matter is deemed 'closed'. All to do with Performance Indicators.........
A total and utter crock

Thats not very good on the PIE :(

Looks like I got out just in time in Feb this year. They do still owe me some LSSA which they told me will be paid "soon" through JPA!! Guess I wont hold my breath.

I have raised the issues with a local newspaper who are going to look at these postings before requesting "an official comment". My contact is very reliable. The nationals use this local newspaper as a source for stories.

Should be enough ammunition to get them started.

Still on my initial claim and have racked up more policy violations. Even though I can authorise my own claims, I now find that JPA doesn't recognise rank and my claims have to be approved by a cpl who doesn't know me. Said cpl had a problem with the claim and forwarded it to somebody else I don't know but he decided to reject the claim.

After 3rd time of being put on hold by JPACEC and then cut off, I managed to get through again and told the young chap that if he put me on hold and cut me off I would be most unhappy. After a while the ernest advice was to ask for assistance from my HR admin.

Explained that my HR admin helped me submit the claim ! Well I suppose I'd better submit a template then he advises. What's a template I enquired politely, Oh it's a formal request for expert guidance. Expect a reply within 24 hours but your claim has still been rejected.

I'm becoming a little frustrated :{

JPA - arrrghhhh
 

Just had my new, purple, JPA pay statement through. Someone has stamped the front of it, in bright red ink, with a note to 'inform sender of correct address'. Well, a) I've always had pay statements posted to my house - why did this one get sent to work? and b) I can't access JPA to check any of my details, much less to 'inform sender of correct address'.

Thanks, JPA.

Seen the separate thread on JPA security. Just gets better and better, doesn't it......?:rolleyes:

Blink and you'd miss that thread.

"And there it was, gone."

Spooky eh?!

Must have been true, hence a senior officer contacting a moderator and getting it lifted!!

PS Lets not repeat the rumour, this is too good a thread to lose!

I think it was probably lifted to stop any hackers who have been living in a cave since last year finding out.

JPA SECURITY
 

Or maybe it was because I said the thing that lets the Air Force down is OFFICERS. Too Many, Too Stupid.

Imagine how capable this RAF would be if we weren't following idiots !

The only ones I'd keep are aircrew, the rest should be de-commisioned in a kind of LEAN fashion.

Remarkable, the guys on the ground constantly have to suffer the mistakes of these so called TRAINED PROFESSIONALS.

Mech Tech / Lean / Warfighter First / FWD-DEPTH / JPA

All ideas thought of by OFFICERS and forced upon the masses. Too many people, earning too much money and then leaving and becoming a director / shareholder in the company that has just been awarded a contract.

They let the RAF down.

JPA insecurity
 

edited for futher comment

Still no FP . . . . .. . :mad:

I've been faffing with this thing all day trying to submit a relatively simple claim. I am computer literate and, like the vast majority of the RAF, fairly intelligent.

This software is immature and in places highly counterintuitive. Given that Oracle HRMS is successfully in use elsewhere, it seems clear that the RAF version (with all those patches to ensure it is as rigid & inflexible as the clowns that it is replacing) has not been properly tested. I am amazed that this thing has been approved to go live when the basic HMI aspects are so poor. I wonder if the testing actually involved doing thigs like entering a cross-section of real 1771s (including the complicated ones) using real Servicemen (no, not the 'HR Professionals') to flag up problems like the hire car fuel issue.

SS:mad:

They are taking the PYSS!
 

I'm expecting 'trubble at mill'. Have just got back from a stateside visit. Only, couldn't find restuarant that didn't add 18% grat on our tables of 8+. So left that on Bill. Also, sat with selection of Contractors and civil servants (ie MOD). They were also on actuals but had no capping.... just told to be sensible. There I was, limited to certain items on menus when they could, quite reasonably, have what they liked! How embarrassed was I? F****G embarrassed. And my how they laughed, and they had every right to! Now, I really don't need to eat a lot (Trust me) so kept down to single course + 2 Beers, still came to more than $31 and that was in a medium class place!! The rates will just not buy a 3 Cse meal + half bottle of wine... honest.

On IE, found myself logging everything I could, only to find when I got back that we were only entiltled to stuff mentioned above. (Not water??, that comes out of your daily Subsis rate!) Overall experience = CRAP!!! I have no objection to actuals (from a tax perspective they make sense). Indeed, our Finance chap is a Civvi Serv and he has no problems at all, only he is not capped. Imagine trying to have a £20 lunch + dinner in London. Whatsmore, he has also seen a saving because, generally, people don't want to eat like pigs every night. But whereas, rates and normal actuals allow you to have the odd 'nice meal', this system does not. I really have lost complete faith with the RAF Hierarchy on this one. I guess they cannot remember what it was like to be paid at lower rank rates and, therefore, don't give a damn. 'Jack!' springs to mind. Please Please Please bring back Leaders to our Force. Managers just say 'Yes Sir', Leaders fight the corner of their men. This latest fiasco will end in tears, if it hasn't already. Rant over!

Testing

Impact??
 

For want of a penny .....

I'm sure someone was asking what the impact was of all this bolleaux, particularly to ops. Do we have any airframes stuck overseas because JPA wouldn't let an advance of payments be issued and the crew's refusal to put the subsistence costs on their credit cards and claim it back on return? (This is a rumour network after all).

I have to go to MoD next week, but I doubt very much whether the actuals will cover my costs (assuming I can get into JPA)... should I cancel? This will, after all, save money!

:mad:

STH

The credibility of JPA is currently on a par with 2-Sh@gs and his cronies.
However, wouldn't it be refreshing if the head bluntie or even his boss..... were to make some official comment to the masses and explain exactly what is happening, but more importantly, what is being done about it.:confused:

Testingtheseatlimit
If I am ever in that position I will be paying on my GPC or corporate card and taking a copy of the menu.
Should the beancounters say tough on my return, I will refuse to pay the money back and then when they threaten to take it out of my pay, I will inform them that I will take legal action. By that time, so many will be in the same position, it will become a class action and they will lose as we will be able to categorically prove that as military personnel we are being discriminated against when compared without our MOD Civil Service colleagues and being placed in position which we cannot be reasonably expected to feed ourselves at an appropriate level.
Just my 2p worth!
HPT

I've still not been paid my flying pay!!! Anyone else? :*

To be fair, I think people at a pretty high level in the Project are putting out information, but by the time it gets to the workers it has been turned into a series of meaningless, vague platitudes. What's more, the few adminers that are left seem (to me at station level) to be working their bits off to try and sort out the massive mess that they have been dropped into.
The other thing here is that there are 2 separate and completely unrelated problems with JPA:Totally unacceptable, heads should roll, contract payments should be suspended, punitive damages should be paid by the contractor, Wayne Rooney should be fit for the World Cup ....
:mad:
STH

SidHolding

Yes - I've not been paid your flying pay either - but I believe there's a guy working in CAOC 9 who's been paid about £8k of it (I am not even sure he's aircrew!).

STH

You've got to look on the bright side...
 

Saw these, just had to post!

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../jpa1small.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../jpa3small.jpg
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../jpa2small.jpg

JSP752 does state that you can add gratuities to the bill but only at a rate of 10% (reference is something like 03.0111 - how sad is that!).
The civil servant's regulations states that you can only use PIE for certain things as well but is administered with much more common sense. I believe their system actually automatically adds in PIE for every day they are away.
Where do I stand if an advance that JPA says has been paid to me, but never arrived in my bank account, is taken back off my wages next month? Is that theft?

Media & JPA
 

Good news. It appears press may at last have picked up on JPA problems. Instruction issued throughout AFPAA today instructing staff not to talk to media on JPA roll out to RAF. All calls to be referred to in house spin doctors!!