Would a civvy company get away with treating its workforce like this?

I am currently OOA, I have no way of checking any of my details on JPA- Like most of the RAF it seems. I have seen nothing..repeat...nothing official about the problems and projected solutions from PMA or whatever it's called now.
I don't know if I'm getting paid or if I am, how much? Is my LOA is going in, are my NOK details correct? Am I actually deployed? Am I going to have trouble getting my PODL or if my pay has been screwed up will I be able to claim it back?

Nobody at my location can answer these questions...are we getting any word from above?- ZIP.

Have the uk press got hold of this yet?

It won't get into the news until JPA sleeps with his secretary.

Sooms

Surprisingly it would appear not!! One would have thought that the opposition, of whatever colour, and the Press would have leapt on the opportunity of "Another Government IT Failure" story! Perhaps it is because (in the main) it is the Hofficers who haven't been paid properly not (cue Sun Headline) "Our Gallant Troops Not Paid." The Sun learned today that hundreds of our gallant boys have not been paid in another Government IT cock-up. Etc etc etc.

Mike, what a helpful chap you are!!:E

C U on the 7th

Smudge

I'VE BEEN PAID! I'VE BEEN PAID!
 

It's just arrived at my desk (new JPA rules)! My payslip for April and it includes flying pay (I'm on a ground tour) and HTD! AND the pay total looks about right.

Now, when will it reach my bank account??

Will it reach my bank account??

When will the bu66ers pay the travel claim submitted one week ago??

Will the bu66ers pay my travel claim??

When can I update my profile??

So much doubt it's too distressing!:sad:

FW

For those looking for their flying pay a PA colleague of mine has it. He has been paid Flying pay as well as his PA rate ie an over payment of c£1300.

I cant get into JPA so I dont know if I have been so lucky!

Snap! So have I (except that, as a blunty I don't get flying pay - unless you count flying into a rage with JPA!) and I too am waiting for my travel claim, more importantly, my junior staff are still waiting for theirs too - did manage to resubmit claims yesterday pm when for some strange reason we were able to access JPA (probably shouldn't admit to that given earlier posts) and this time someone might actually authorise them. The sad thing is that I count myself as lucky having access to a PC in an office environment in the UK, no wonder the folks at the sharp end are fed up.

The light at the end of the tunnel has been switched off!
 

Harry the Staysh at ISK announced this afternoon that JPA has been switched off until further notice! Alternative arrangements are being sought as an interim measure. Fantastic - smart procurement at it's best.

In my many years, I have never witnessed SUCH ineptitude on SUCH a grand scale. It is, quite simply, a farce beyond all comprehension. Words fail me...........

Word has it that on one of the squadrons at a large, overcrowded superbase in eastern England which is currently suffering from massive upheaval, NONE of the aircrew have been paid their Flying Pay.
To the person who signed off on JPA? I hope you have skin like a rhino because you're going to need it wherever you go next. Publicly quit, and take the clowns who "advised" you with you. You are beneath contempt for allowing all the eggs to be placed in one basket without seemingly testing the thing properly, and for the anxiety you are causing our colleagues who are OOA and can't get any information whatsoever - plenty of our people have enough to worry about as it is. Or please tell us whose fault it REALLY is?
:yuk: :yuk:
Rant reduced to more manageable settings
Jobza

Oh Dear - just got my first purple pay statement.

I have 2 lots of flying pay my own and another annotated RN OBS and he gets about 10% more than me.

Another line HTD (Home to Duty I presume) was for £120 but I normally get £12.

I think I'll save the extra as I can see a large bill coming if someone ever sorts this out!

I as one of the unfortunate 1100, am most definately not in a ground tour. In fact I am currently nearing 75% of the way through my 24 hour duty period and am seriously thinking of f:mad: ing of home. I am sure no one will mind as they will be fully aware from the AMP brief that normal service may resume sometime soon.

Its highly amusing to see that to solve the logging on problems alternative ways are being sought to allow us to apply for claims (1771?), apply for leave (F295D?), and other such back-peddling leaps forward.

The Culprits
 

Link to the AFPAA vision or some other bo11ox (see page 15/16).
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/Ab...an20052010.htm
Director JPA - Air Cdre David Tonks
Dep Director JPA - Dr Paul Collins
JPA Programme Director - Mr Paul Davis
They should be easy enough to find on the works email. Bunch of frigging wasters.

Remaining Flying pay that was missed due to a sequencing error has gone to Payroll already. (900 odd)
It will be with you in the bank by Friday and at the very latest (due to Bank Holiday) Tuesday. This is the JPAC EC line and has been verified. (Front and rear end crews)

Self Service user degradation to performance is still being looked into by EDS and Oracle. The system was designed for 6000 users at a time (not sure where the figures came from) so at the moment, with RAF roll out, it's a little maxed out.

There are issues with MU food charges, as they have not been deducted this month. A double payment is likely next month.

Personal idiosyncrasies still exist with certain elements of pay, as they did under legacy systems.
All posted on the AFPAA bulletin board under SDST.

JPA has not been switched off at all. Although SS users have been denied access while they sort the problems, there are many people still working all hours to sort pay, leave etc. The HR staffs needs to gain exclusive access to enable them to achieve steady state with all information uploaded to the system.

Paper forms do still exist, under Documentation/JPA Forms on the AFPAA website

One can understand everyone’s frustration and I am not defending the system, only trying to lay a few minds to rest regarding certain rumours.
Hope this goes a little way to helping y’all? :ok:

I get a bit suspicious when OC PMS sends me an email assuring me that I will be paid this month - as if it is some kind of new/special arrangement that I ought to be grateful for!!
Guess that's me working for free then - whenever a penpusher assures me I'm about to get something, it usually means the opposite. Oh well best not to go off and shoot the messenger - tempting though?

I have been told by a sound source that the forces self confessed favourite newspaper has been directed to this thread.

After over 25 phone calls to PSF and 3 visits, I still do not have a Log-on, so I am going on leave with no approval an no Leave Pass.

So are 9 others in my section.

PS> Seriously..which utter imbecile agreed to this thing?

But I thought the RAF News had already claimed the launch of JPA to be a great success!

:rolleyes: Absolute farce, I still cannot believe the joke that is now the RAF. Apparently there was going to be a JPA tannoy broadcast on all stations......all I was feckin told was that we can't access the bloody thing until mid MAY!

I hope this new IT procurement works.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...calRecords.htm

Otherwise it will be more than our pay etc getting messed up.

If it does work maybe should give them the contract for JPA, I wonder what penalty clauses are in the EDS contract.

Record/Sun should be an enjoyable read in the morning!

JPA Non Roll Out
 

According to the unhelpful desk JPA doesn't like my service number and accordingly I don't exist...

Maybe I shouldn't bother going to work if this is the case!:uhoh:

P60
 

Got mine this morning, definitely produced under the old system and delivered home. At least FY 05/06 should balance....

I wonder how the introduction of JPA would rate ?

S_H

Yet another tale of woe.................
 

At a large station in the North of Scotland, we have been denied access to JPA at all until further notice.

Access is only available to "Professional Users" if there are indeed such creatures!

Latest estimates are that normal (?) service will resume towards the end of May!!!!!!


At least I have a login and password to use when I can finally get access...................if they haven't changed it!!!

Anyone know how to reboot SAMA?

Could make good reading!! Anyone interested in a competition to guess what the pun will be?? So many ideas.........

I work at the superbase in the fens where flying pay has not been issued, I was rather puzzled as to why there was Aircrew in the feeder this week! Glad this matter has been cleared up!!

Get you home pay
 

Just been told by my HR dept/PD Pt not to expect my Get You Home allowance. I need to look at my pay statement, obviously not online but the hardcopy that will be sent somewhere. Only then can I tell the PD Pt that it has not been paid. Hang on, if they know that it won't be paid, do something now. Tally of money owed now £1200 travel claim, £250 GYH. Oh yes as I am MU that bit has been mucked up as well.:hmm:

".....The claims, advances and leave etc can still be submitted via the manual forms on the AFPAA website, under Documentation / JPA Forms. Fill these in and give to your HR staff and it will be entered on the system either by them or the JPAC EC....."

Can anyone provide a link to the relevant portion of the AFPAA website (JPA Forms) that can be accessed by the internet - or do I need a military system. I have tried looking myself, but with no success - no doubt I am being "Mr Thicky" again!

Thanks!

Try this...
http://www.raf.mod.uk/jpa/index.html

Bluntend

Looks good, will examine further in slow time. Many thanks for your help, much appreciated!!!

Be warned. Not all the forms work in electronic format. You may well need to print them off, fill them in by hand and then walk them down to PSF, sorry, your HR department for actioning. JPA, don't you just love it...:hmm:

Wrong Info
 

BluntyBum: Of course the JPAC didn't recognise your Service Number. You have to give them your National Insurance Number. Then they can find you. Doh !!! :confused:

Well some of the guys and gals have received their pay statements, including one lucky individual who has been paid the grand sum of £0.00.

Words fail me, unbelievable.

Mr B
 

JPA SAY`S NO !!

Mr B
 

JPA SAY`S NO

JPA, JPA. So bad it said it twice.

Perhaps JPA spotted he'd spent his entire working month trying to log onto to JPA. He therefore would have done no work. No work = no pay :E :E

lol, just about sums it up.

Just had my payslip. I am only paying rent on my garage. No Council Tax, no MQ rent and no deductiuons for my commutation (I am FTRS). Loads of dosh but how long is this going to take to sort out? I will squirrel it away into a high interest account because I have a feeling it will be like this for some time to come.:rolleyes:

Still, at least the error is in my favour.

Also, as I am officially living in a garage, I may well apply for some benefits.:E

So I started looking into the Employment Rights Act 1996. Rumour has it that, should you want your wages this month and don't receive all of them, you may need to prove financial hardship, else you'll get what's owed next month.

Of course, not all of the act applies to the Armed Forces. In particular, Section II - which deals with deductions from wages, does not apply. However, Section I does, and that includes the right to an itemised pay statement before or when wages are received. I've still not got one - and my pay is off by about £600. Anyone got a link to the full text of the AFA 1955?

:mad: