Blimey...had my first experience with JPA yesterday (as now on terminal leave).
Paychit finally received, only a couple of hundred short of what it should be :{
Then came the fun trying to get a mileage claim for a hospital appointment using my own car...Presumably i should have filled the tank up before setting off and then refilled it on returning to unit, presenting the receipt to prove that i actually spent money on fuel?? And is there any way of factoring in the other elements that used to combine to make our (exceedingly generous) mileage rate?? And just as a matter of interest, do MOD civilians still get a mileage rate per mile or are they also stuck with this time consuming and convoluted system??

Next time (if there is time for one) i shall now doubtless get MT to hire me a car. Im sure that will save the RAF money compared to paying a mileage rate...

Glad to be leaving although its a bit worrying that JPAC now also seem to be involved in pensions side. Whats the betting that they wont have actioned my request for maximum commutation????

edit : I see theres a bit in the latest issue of Private Eye about JPA :)

Scribbly quote
"Your PSF sends a weekly "how goes it" report back to AFPAA, so if you want your points to be heard you could send a nice e-mail to your PSF"

Why not send this link to AFPPA? and while you are at it, Adam Ingham, as he appears to be in touch with reality as usual:

"Well the Minister for the Armed Forces (Adam Ingram) seemed rather surprised that JPA was a problem... When asked why JPA was rushed in when it didn't work he replied that the message he was getting was that it was a success with only minor problems... great to know that the senior management passes the message up!!!"

I have to ask the question why did the RAF volunteer to go first, was it to get the senior airships a pat on the head from John Reid?

Could be that the high level aircrew thought 'Admin? Must be a piece of P*ss, go ahead!'.:rolleyes:

Interesting comments about PPruNers!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/11/raf_hr_fix/

Nice to see the technique of spin is alive and well and not confined to the Government!

Get a grip
 

Nice comment below. Bet his pay wasnt f**ked up last month...
/quote "Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator, said he was unhappy with press interest in the delay and "bored" RAF "whingers" on chat sites like the Professional Pilots Rumour Network (PPRuNe), which he said make things appear worse than they are". /unquote..
Obviously bucking for gold braid on his hat....

Who's this ostrich then?

It took 8 Days to eventually submit a travel claim and 10 days for JPA to pay it! I ain't whinging just pointing out that the old manual F1771 system had it in my bank account within 3 days!

Wake up, Trev! You Blunty!

DII! Another puppy that will sh!t all over our carpets and, it seems, the same bloody mob of no-hopers are doing that one too!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

FW

Well, I guess that we're only bored because we're waiting for the JPA helpline to be answered! :bored:

As for being a "whinger", yes - I do complain when the service that I'm entitled to isn't up to standard. I suppose that I've been working with too many Americans!

I'll give then a chance now that I know that their problems "will be solved completely by the end of the week"!

It's only 'RAF Whingers' because the rest of us haven't been f:mad: d over by JPA yet. Give it a few months and I'm sure the rest of the MOD aviation world will be whinging on PPRuNe too!:rolleyes:

So if a chap/chapess is missing pay, can't speak to anyone about it (perhaps beacuse they are sandy side) what they are supposed to do what exactly? Bet the system has no accurate way of checking that the pay has been correctly made up, anyway.

I'd suggest a group of get onto their MP and ask them to push hard on their behalf. A Govt. that can't send back hi-jackers needs calling to account for all its errors.

Back to The Register:

Another EDS project I'll be bound! :rolleyes:

FW

As an interested party (RN, the next victims in this sorry tale), it is interesting to see how the venerable Wing Commander is more concerned at rubbishing the "whingers" than with turning on the people whose fault this all is. As for promising a solution "by the end of the week" - it will be interesting to see what he classes as a "solution" - will it be restitution of the self-service function, or will it be extending the working hours outside normal UK Office hours? Having seen the latest of the regular SITREPs for the system, and the attached memo which details a poor crab's efforts to get a travel claim processed, I would suggest that the Wing Commander should look to support his people, not to defend the company which has provided this shower of sh1t.

The RN top levels are fully aware of all this, and look in on Pprune, Rum Ration, ARRSE and other sources on a regular basis, and at the moment the nervous laughter is becoming quieter and quieter....

Trevor Field

Ah yes another Koala that's climbing the tree!

:}

lol - guess the Wg Cdr has done a different press course to me then. Never good to totally alienate a group of people with genuine concerns (sorry, whinges), neither is it good to promise the system will be fixed by the weekend. Guess he will look fairly silly come Monday morning if the 'fires are still smouldering'.

Give him the benefit of the doubt tho, I look forward to everyone's pay and access rights being sorted by Monday, I'm sure we all will - after all he promised didn't he...?

How does the good WingCo plan to sort out the band-width issues in 72 hours? Can he re-write the laws of physics, as well?

Answers on a post-card to Pprune Towers, c/o The Poke It Inn, Wibble.

Day 11:

No FP, no correction of basic, no paper wage slip, no replies to SR's, no news, no nothing.

I know more than a few people in my position, are we the only ones left now?

Sid :(

Wing Commander Field
 

Whingers........ you after a job with these W*nkers too Sir? Or just another high ranker who is more interested in 'STATS' than anything else.

How many people have COMPLAINED about the failure of JPA on here? Whats the STAT on that?

Wake up and smell Coffee, you stuck up P*ICK.

See also: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/09052006/36...struggles.html

"Wing Commander Trevor Field, a public relations consultant and forces administrator, said problems where still being ironed out, and self-service access was still limited. But only about two per cent of 50,000 RAF salaries had been miscalculated by the system. He could not confirm how many people had benefits such as flight pay miscalculated, but insisted the system had been properly tested.

He explained it had been a difficult job for EDS because there were 70 old computer systems that needed to be incorporated into the old one, and that the old method probably gave more errors."

TMAC

OK then, WingCo Whatzizface promises a solution by the end of the week (can't remember it word for word but saw the article in The Register).

So if the system doesn't work properly, on Monday will he go public with an apology to all those who still can't access the system, those he has insulted, and then resign his commission there and then? Nope, thought not. Or is he the sacrificial lamb? ("goat" more appropriate?)

I would have thought that a Wing Commander would know better than to commit himself like that, especially given what has gone on before. No-one in their right mind should make promises they can't keep.

On the other hand, if it works as advertised, I'll give him his due.

Followed by "about time you bluntie gits".

JG

Wing Commander Trevor Field, a RAF spokesman and administrator
 

If the Wg Cdr does indeed speak for the Royal Air Force, well Sir I could hardly blame personnel from venting their understandable fustrations on an open forum as it seems there are no other channels open to them. I hope for your credibility that the system is fully operational by cop friday, as we all know credibility is the key when we consider command. I wonder what command means to you? What or who were you considering when you made the above comments?
I hope you were mindfull of those who have been financially out of pocket or inconvenienced by the unhappy debut of JPA. Think before you issue forth some pretty hefty criticism of those who are entitled to their views, I for one do not respect your comments. Not a big thumbs up from a JO.
But from reading your comments above I'm 100% certain you don't give a damn!!

RAF Wingers
 

For the second time in an open forum now the 'winger' comment has been made by Wg Cmdr (see LEAN at Lyneham), once they recive critisim are they taught that all are beneath them and then just wingeing? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Do they not realise that there are serious concerns and we have no recourse but to the open forums, to air our viewpoints. As no other buffer will.

I for one wait with baited breath to see if he is as good as his word, if not he then just gets added to the rest of the white noise coming out of the MoD/Gov for me. :ugh:

Oh and whats he doing reading forums anyway, GET it fixed then read the forum..............

I concur with most of the above. As soon as you display anything but subservience in this RAF you are shafted!! Hence the benefit of this forum... it allows you to vent your frustrations without shafting yourself. Summed up with the general policy spouted by Seniors and PMA at this time.... "if you don't like it leave". Maybe it should become the new RAF motto???!!:uhoh:

Words of Caution
 

Seeing as there are so many new contributors to this forum (and this thread in particular) here are a few timely words of caution:

1. Nothing on the Internet is totally anonymous.
2. This is a rumour network and rumours are often wrong.
3. News reports are frequently inaccurate and spokesmen are often misquoted.
4. People who post to forums are often not what they make themselves out to be.
5. Some contributors may have a dark reason for creating discontent.

Whinging, eh? Ok fellas, lets just stop any further posts this week. Nothing more, completely dead. Then on Monday, everybody should be able to use the system as advertised. OK?

Let's not give the good Wg Cdr anything further to gripe about, and assess the situation next week. By then, all missing pay will have been paid and there will be no more problems. Got it?

No more posts then.

But Wg Cdr Field, you'd better be right, or stand by for the blast.

You ain't seen nuthin' yet...









[You got to admire his b*lls!]

Hi Gang;

Is this guy listed on the Global Address List....
Might be worth an e-mail from those whose pay is not yet sorted...:}

Just a Thought!!:ok:

Regards;
'J' Bloke!!:cool:

Even bored RAF whingers have rights, sir.

Oh, just found this to add to the list too:

http://www.blairwatch.co.uk/node/107...fa1c8b#comment

Sorry to whinge, but please may I have my pay, and a pay statement?

Of course he's unhappy with press interest in the story, its exposed him and the system for the total pieces of crap that they undoubtedly are !
Trev Field, one wonders if the initials are a mere coincidence
Total F*ckwit :mad:

Private Eye coments on JPA foul up
 

I can't post a link but PE has had a short and relevant comment on the matter.

It's working.....
 

Don't all log on at once guys but it's working......

SBG

Including leave?

Well, I tried and it seems to be working for leave but my 'approver' isn't set up so I couldn't submit.

Well I'll fall off my chair!!

Oooh - he's on DII (naturally)! Field, Trevor, including his phone number...:D

Of course, it would not be right to email him with personal JPA queries...:=

Are you not able to self authorise?

I am when I can get on it. Couldn't submit my leave last week, so wandered down the corridor to see the Sqn scribbly. He handed me a piece of paper saying 'Fill out this form'. Now, the piece of paper he handed me looked suspiciously like a leave pass (remember them?)

Anyone got any wheels that need re-inventing?

I should be but am now waiting for 'Unit HR Staff' to sort it out.....

SBG

Here's one for you that I only found out about whilst having my pay cocked up. You remember the good old days when they could only take money back off you at a rate of 4 days' gross at a time? Well, if you're not already aware, that's all changed.

You can now have up to 50% of your gross monthly pay (minus Income tax, NI Maternity Pay, Statutory Adoption Pay and Statutory Maternity Pay) taken off you in one lump. See a a little beauty of a publication called JSP 754 Ch2 Sec 4 for more details.

A nice chap in the JPA "back offices" (Ian Sneddon) told me that when I asked how come large wodges of my pay could go missing for no apparent reason. So if you get a mistake in your favour (or even just some act of wrongness) applied to your pay account, unfeasibly large deductions can now be made all at once. :ugh:

Just thought I'd let you all know in case you weren't aware...

Good Luck...
Bluntend

Has anybody received the PR stuff they were sending out? Mousemats and mobile phone deckchairs. Real shame, considering mobile phones are banned in pretty much all Admin Offices....

Also heard that one or two members of the RAF who decided not to come to work a few years back have been made "live" and paid!

Still, waiting for Monday to see the new improved JPA XP/PS3/XBOX360 Version 1.0 that the Wing Commander will be working on this weekend. In line with most software that Officers like, as long as it produces graphs in colour it will be declared a resounding success.....

Have had the JPA Customer Care Charter if that counts...

In fact I went up to the admin staffs' hideout to see if I could get an address of someone who might have an orifice in which the said document could be appropriately inserted. Unfortunately it was shut as they were away team building...

Have to say, those personnel still at work in admin were very helpful and sympathetic, but it does give the impression of management "fiddling whilst Rome burns..."