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NutLoose 27th Nov 2022 21:53

Russia and it’s missing 1.5 million uniforms… 1.5 million!

​​​​​​​https://novayagazeta.eu/amp/articles...e-missing-news

meleagertoo 28th Nov 2022 00:12


- 1M109A3GN 155mm SPG;
Could you please convert that into something meaningful?

What does that jumble of numbers and letters before 155mm mean? One M109A3GN or a Million 109A3GN - whatever that is ...???? Or...???
Are we expected to know what SPG is...?

Please, try not to be too clever with obscure mlitary acronyms, we aren't all that- er - 'knowlegeable"...

ExAscoteer2 28th Nov 2022 00:44

It's an American Self-Propelled 155mm Howitzer. It's REALLY NOT that difficult!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M109_howitzer

Low average 28th Nov 2022 01:52

Trench warfare 2022 - footage circulating online of apparently Russian Thermal Imaging quadcopters operating with impunity over the trenches, dropping grenades on the poor soldiers huddled below. Probably Ukranians on the receiving end.

As if it wasnt miserable enough in those conditions. Spare a thought.

rattman 28th Nov 2022 02:08


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11338387)
Could you please convert that into something meaningful?

1 * M109 A3 (variant) GNM (norwegian upgrades of german guns)

NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 03:35

For want of a tarp.


NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 03:36


Originally Posted by Low average (Post 11338409)
Trench warfare 2022 - footage circulating online of apparently Russian Thermal Imaging quadcopters operating with impunity over the trenches, dropping grenades on the poor soldiers huddled below. Probably Ukranians on the receiving end.

As if it wasnt miserable enough in those conditions. Spare a thought.

If that was the group that hardly moved when hit it was Russians

jolihokistix 28th Nov 2022 03:42


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11338359)
Norway is sending a new military aid package to Ukraine. It contains:

- 1M109A3GN 155mm SPG;
- 20,000 spare parts for M109A3GN howitzers

​​​​​​​So just for clarity, that’s one gun and 20,000 spare parts for it and similar guns, correct?

Low average 28th Nov 2022 03:47


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11338424)
If that was the group that hardly moved when hit it was Russians

Multiple groups, some moving, some not, so not sure if we're talking about the same thing. Its a Russian propo post, and the Thermal Imaging quadcopter looks high tech.

As much as I hope it wasnt the Ukranians getting hit, I think it's likely.

As a general point, we should face realities rather than focussing entirely on the other side's defeats.

ORAC 28th Nov 2022 03:51

The endless cold.

The endless glutinous mud.

The endless Russian shells.

The endless death.

The endless Russian attacks.

These pics give a visual sense of what Ukrainian troops defending the town of Bakhmut are enduring.


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NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 04:09

That’s not mud, this Is mud… note they say NATO gear does not cope was well with it, something NATO will have to look at. It looks like the gun barrel failed too.


rattman 28th Nov 2022 04:33


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11338426)
​​​​​​​So just for clarity, that’s one gun and 20,000 spare parts for it and similar guns, correct?

Guess so, they have donated about 20 previously so imagine this is another they managed to get running + 20K assorted spare parts they have had stocked

ORAC 28th Nov 2022 04:39

To contrast the PBI in the trenches and mud to the sterility and high tech in the HQ - was ever so..

​​​​​​​Footage of a Ukrainian command center near Bakhmut, showing a pretty good look at the information-sharing capabilities on the front, including drone footage livestreamed over Google Meet.

dixi188 28th Nov 2022 08:31


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11338439)
Guess so, they have donated about 20 previously so imagine this is another they managed to get running + 20K assorted spare parts they have had stocked

I suspect the 20000 spare parts are the type you need every time you fire the gun. ie. things that go "Bang".

NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 09:25

There have been reports of guns wearing out their barrels etc due to the amount of ammunition that is being put through them, I seem to remember reading the US is to set up a repair base in Poland for some of their equipment. Plus they will need parts to repair those weapons damaged.

With all of this mud, out of interest do they have track extensions for the type of stuff in use?

NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 09:51

Looks like an Su 34 is no more.



jolihokistix 28th Nov 2022 10:03

One comment says, flowers in November?

Ohrly 28th Nov 2022 10:10

I don't see any flowers, just very dead Sunflower seed heads.

NutLoose 28th Nov 2022 10:43

That should have been harvested :(

Note the dead and cruise missiles!


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2226c21828.png

ORAC 28th Nov 2022 11:37

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...es-2022-11-28/

Exclusive: U.S. weighs sending 100-mile strike weapon to Ukraine

WASHINGTON, Nov 28 (Reuters) - The Pentagon is considering a Boeing proposal to supply Ukraine with cheap, small precision bombs fitted onto abundantly available rockets, allowing Kyiv to strike far behind Russian lines as the West struggles to meet demand for more arms.

U.S. and allied military inventories are shrinking, and Ukraine faces an increasing need for more sophisticated weapons as the war drags on. Boeing's proposed system, dubbed Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB), is one of about a half-dozen plans for getting new munitions into production for Ukraine and America's Eastern European allies, industry sources said.

GLSDB could be delivered as early as spring 2023, according to a document reviewed by Reuters and three people familiar with the plan. It combines the GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) with the M26 rocket motor, both of which are common in U.S. inventories.

Doug Bush, the U.S. Army's chief weapons buyer, told reporters at the Pentagon last week the Army was also looking at accelerating production of 155 millimeter artillery shells - currently only manufactured at government facilities - by allowing defense contractors to build them…..

Although a handful of GLSDB units have already been made, there are many logistical obstacles to formal procurement. The Boeing plan requires a price discovery waiver, exempting the contractor from an in-depth review that ensures the Pentagon is getting the best deal possible. Any arrangement would also require at least six suppliers to expedite shipments of their parts and services to produce the weapon quickly.

A Boeing spokesperson declined to comment. Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Tim Gorman declined to comment on providing any "specific capability" to Ukraine, but said the U.S. and its allies "identify and consider the most appropriate systems" that would help Kyiv.

Although the United States has rebuffed requests for the 185-mile (297km) range ATACMS missile, the GLSDB's 94-mile (150km) range would allow Ukraine to hit valuable military targets that have been out of reach and help it continue pressing its counterattacks by disrupting Russian rear areas.

GLSDB is made jointly by SAAB and Boeing and has been in development since 2019, well before the invasion, which Russia calls a "special operation". In October, SAAB chief executive Micael Johansson said of the GLSDB: "We are imminently shortly expecting contracts on that."

According to the document - a Boeing proposal to U.S. European Command (EUCOM), which is overseeing weapons headed to Ukraine - the main components of the GLSDB would come from current U.S. stores.

The M26 rocket motor is relatively abundant, and the GBU-39 costs about $40,000 each, making the completed GLSDB inexpensive and its main components readily available. Although arms manufacturers are struggling with demand, those factors make it possible to yield weapons by early 2023, albeit at a low rate of production.

GLSDB is GPS-guided, can defeat some electronic jamming, is usable in all weather conditions, and can be used against armored vehicles, according to SAAB's website. The GBU-39 - which would function as the GLSDB's warhead - has small, folding wings that allow it to glide more than 100km if dropped from an aircraft and targets as small as 3 feet in diameter…..


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