Posted on the other JB forum, someone I cannot mention on here is petrified he is about to get topped.

As much as they build their defences along the river, Ukraine has already crossed that river further up country so the Russians are leaving themselves open to being cut off from the rear. They are also building up some pretty well built defences where they used to have the " Russian frontline border" in Crimea, Prudent yes, but it also makes you think that even Russia do not think they can hold the far bank.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/kherson?f=live

This also shows their desire, they are flying the EU flag alongside their own in Kherson. If anyone has earned a place, it is the Ukrainians.


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6e5e18cbc.jpeg

I wonder how many more like this unfortunate or should that read lucky individuals are left behind.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1492ff980.jpeg

Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.

The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.

Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:

«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)

Let's console ourselves with the thought that these were fleeing orcs drifting downstream on the wreckage of HIMARS'ed pontoons and wailing to mummy that the nasty nazi drug addicts had set them adrift...

Mainstream UK media say nothing of this. If true it is a stunning own goal by the orcs. I wish it to be true, but
"if it looks too good to be true, it's not true

That surely is not right?
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...


Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.

My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.

Recaptured a helicopter too.

You cannot help but smile along with them.

Another new Vehicle type, this time Israeli, I wonder what they will standardise on post war, they have more or less road tested the best the West has got in this type of vehicle.

It all reminds me of when the Berlin Wall fell.

Could this be considered their "just reward" for not winning?

QUICK THREAD on comments about Russian defense industry made by one of Russia's key military commentators, Victor Murakhovsky. He posted the following in his Telegram channel….

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...739226113.html

Ukraine's New Vessel Drone Revealed: Specifications, Photos and Detailed Capabilities

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ties-4824.html

This is NOT the "UKRAINIAN WAR", it is "VLAD'S WAR"
 

and these are the people that voted 153.1% to nil to be RuZZian?

As a point off order, the media, and this forum calls this disaster the "UKRAINE WAR".

It is not

It is "VLAD'S WAR"

it is "PUTIN's WAR"

It is "THE KREMLIN'S WAR"

It is "RUSSIA'S WAR"

It is NOT Ukraines war.

Ukraine didn't attack it's neighbour breaking treaties with declaring WAR, that was Vlad, Putin, Kremlin, Russia, it was not Ukraine.

Lets call a spade a spade rather than not calling a murderous criminal enterprise by Vlad something else and giving Russia a free pass in history.


Words do matter.

Simply this: if a soldiers trades his uniform for civilian attire, he is no longer protected by the GC as a belligerent, can be shot as a spy, etc. What they should do is keep the uniform and surrender, become POW, and as such covered by the GC.

ML2, refer #11498 for some context. Depends.

Maybe, It is also due to the strategy of Ukraine and their successful tactics in the field. Ukraine sucked forces to Kherson, and then took the opportunity to hook around the North AO instead of the South, physically & morally defeating the forces there. Ukraine has held the center against the increasingly irrational repetitive attacks by the mercenaries 10 miles behind the criminal troops 1 mile behind the hapless conscripts armed with M-N 1892's, cardboard body armour, and 1.5L of water per 4 troops per 2 days. Vlad's corruption coming home to roost.

I would argue the evacuation of Kherson, (with some caution) is a tactical rout of RuZZian forces after their supply was compromised through the defence against the invaders by Ukraine. Would not be giving RuZZia credit for strategy that was forced upon them by the Ukrainians tactical interdiction in the field. Ukraine has achieved remarkable results from one, two, three, four, a number of factors: Ukraine is fighting an existential threat, which Russia is and has been to all of its neighbours historically. Russia has always got a free pass due to the ostensible paranoia that drives them, but the truth is, Russia is an aggressive state run historically by kings and autocrats, and the lack of national confidence in being able to manage their own affairs without authoritarian guidance permits acts of lunacy as national policy. Ukraine is invested in success, Russia is invested in rhetoric and adulation or else, of a criminal leadership. Russian troops are bereft of much of the glossy Potemkin like brochures of weapon systems, they have been sold a lie. Russia's leadership was fearful, with good reason of the fragility of their tenure (and wary of 6 floor windows) if they brought home the reality of the war to the deceived public. The truth is starting to be forced out, not due to an epiphany of Russian leadership, but from the defence by Ukraine, and the undeniable consequences in the field. "who are ya gonna believe, me or your lying eyes... "

Russia gets an "F" for management, for application, for motivation, for logistics, for weapon design, for training, for tactical competency.

Russia gets an "A" for assistance in destruction and demilitarisation of Russias military.

The UN gets an "F", for, well nothing at all.

The world gets a "C" for belatedly supporting a committed defender of it's own sovereignty, which is what the UN is supposed top do but doesn't. They get a "D+" for timeliness

Time to get one of the Baltic and Scandinavian lady Prime Ministers to be the UN SG, at least there would bet some back bone then.

Not true yes he not protected by the geneva convention but is still protected by the rule of law in ukraine and summary execution is still illegal, if he was resist arrest than military / police could use lethal force. But to take someone put them against and kill them would still be murder under ukrainian law

Putting Russia and "strategic plan" in the same sentence is a bit of a joke. If Russia didn't have a bad strategic plan they would have no strategic plan at all. Giving up territory to a numerically and capability inferior enemy is just a simple example of abject Military failure. There is no way to put lipstick on this pig.

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[military content] So, luckily, and defying all reality, Russia evacuated all of its weapons and munitions across the Dneiper, darn neat trick without a viable bridge in the south, and limited traffic around the dam. But, well done. Credit where it is due, well done saving a couple of Ladas and Kamaz... the rifles, ammo, arty, tanks and other items that are designated as donations to Ukraines forces are undoubtedly received with appreciation. The troops themselves were apparently not considered to be weapons by Vlad; I think I would agree with that position.

Now Vlad wants to talk about getting' outta Dodge with his scalp intact. Would think that the window of opportunity for that is actually quite small, squandering time arguing about the shape and size of the table for holding discussions might not be wise for Vlad's undertakers underwriters.

Crossing the rubicon Dneiper by Russia to have a go2.0 at Kherson predicated on an ice road between the banks is able to be discouraged at some distance by arty and HIMARS and dumb munitions. Causing grief to an attack is not going to be that demanding... that would permit a reallocation of forces by Ukraine towards the next pressure point, which is already set up, and which would force the complete evacuation of Crimea, Zaphorizhia, and the other 2014 areas. A single route supports the eastern areas of Ukraine for the Russian invaders, the M14. If the M-14 is cut, then Russia doesn't have a game that includes Ukraine, the limited face saving that is being suggested now would be irrelevant, the Ukrainians would be able to force the removal of the invading hordes from all parts of the South, with the area adjacent to Russia being the only supportable point of the invasion that Vlad could hold on to. Losing the land bridge, and with the ability to remove Kerch at will shuts the last door of opportunity for Vlad.

That situation would make negotiations too late for Vlad, so, he may have a smaller window [no pun intended, Vlad] of opportunity than he might otherwise expect. [military content concluded]

Vlads concern about [aviation content] going flying [end aviation content] to a G-20 summit in SEA has been about being pushed onto all 4's and losing face, or being assassinated. I would think that there is a lower risk to his retirement plan outside of Russia than inside; his playmates are pretty loose and quick with the long knives and the window catches seem to be notoriously faulty in Russia.

[life choice content] Vlad may need to consider a new vocation; master strategist doesn't seem to suit so much. Gardening is good therapy for anger management. [life choice content concluded]

Officially releases are coming out about the a USV drones that ukraine used to strike the black sea fleet

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ly-break-cover