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Ninthace 9th Aug 2022 20:37


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11275702)
Can anyone explain to me where the advantage lies in telling the world that the the next American/British//French arms -shipment contains XYZ ? It simply seems mad to me - let them discover it when the missiles hit 200 km away or their radar installations are knocked out , but no prior knowledge. As far as I can see the only advantage lies in telling the world that another $ 200 00 000 package is on the way to tell the Russkies, the world , that the support continues.

I suspect it is for home consumption. To be seen to be doing something.

ORAC 9th Aug 2022 20:37

It sends a message to the Ukrainian people they are not alone.

It sends a message to Russia that the supplies will continue to be sent, and will continue to escalate in range and sophistication.

It send a message to the rest of NATO to keep providing support.

It sends a message to China, and the other nations in that area, they should reconsider if they think the USA will not support it’s allies if they come under threat.

ORAC 9th Aug 2022 20:40

We may have just witnessed the greatest single day of losses for the Russian Air Force, ever.

From satellite 4 hours before the explosions, I count 37 jets and 6 helicopters.

The explosions were spread out, across the area. So, maybe targeting groups of aircraft.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d1131cd91.jpeg

Wokkafans 9th Aug 2022 20:49

Hypocrisy much? :*


NutLoose 9th Aug 2022 21:08

I see in the latest list they are getting claymore’s, that will slow down any incursions.

NutLoose 9th Aug 2022 21:15

More views purported to be the airfield but not verified.



https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1557082773072101381

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1556998811498811392


i wonder if there was an important target?


Tartiflette Fan 9th Aug 2022 21:23


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11275709)
I suspect it is for home consumption. To be seen to be doing something.


Unclear to me . Do you mean Western consumption ? If yes, this completely ignores my question about giving the Russkies forward information about new weapons.

ditto ORAC

Tartiflette Fan 9th Aug 2022 21:32

Well, I sincerely hope that that represents the flight-lines rather than the car-parks as shown in the initial video. It would be marvellous if this showed the RuAF being blown to pieces.

ORAC 9th Aug 2022 21:43

Teach them not to line them up neatly in a war zone….

Probability that all these destroyed and reports elsewhere of 8 SU-24s destroyed so at least a couple of revetments/pans seem to have been targeted.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fc7066f66.jpeg

Video Mixdown 9th Aug 2022 21:47


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11275727)
Unclear to me . Do you mean Western consumption ? If yes, this completely ignores my question about giving the Russkies forward information about new weapons.ditto ORAC

It lets the 'European-Russian' REMF's know that they're just as likely to be hit as the 'Asian-Russian' grunts they care so little about. There are already anecdotal reports of widespread desertions and anything that fosters a sense of hopelessness and fear among these bastards is all to the good. They are being hurt badly now. It's going to get worse and there's nothing they can do about it.

NutLoose 9th Aug 2022 21:53

Rumoured to be 40 aircraft destroyed, who in their right mind would put all the assets in one spot and not disperse them.. ohh wait we do.



ORAC 9th Aug 2022 21:58

The destroyed barracks might be just as crucial - if that was the accommodation block for the deployed SU-24 aircrew…

Ninthace 9th Aug 2022 22:02


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11275741)
The destroyed barracks might be just as crucial - if that was the accommodation block for the deployed SU-24 aircrew…

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Couldn’t they just use an hotel? :)

fdr 9th Aug 2022 23:57


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11275742)
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Couldn’t they just use an hotel? :)

[Aviation content]

9=a, see! the time spent on CRM was never lost, you came out with an inspired solution for the intractable problem of where to house the intrepid aviators. Suspect that the investment boom that will precipitate will be tempered by the minor problem that the Ru Naval Air just lost a portion of their "plains".

Whatever the Russians are doing with their wiring and cigarette rules around arms dumps and POL supplies, they really need an OHSA visit. The driver of the car that had the hanger translate hurredly through the passengers window and out of the drivers door will be wanting compensation at the very least, and if he/she was in the drivers seat at the time, then they will want a free Lada from Vlad, (hurry, while stocks last...).

It takes a certain courage to own up to such misfortunes in the OHS rules, so kudos to the soon to be inmate of Lefortovo prison who took the poisoned chalice for that.

Gives a new meaning to the term "Selective Fire"

NutLoose 10th Aug 2022 00:44

M109a3 hit, though it appears to shrug it off, a wounded soldier is spotted when it stops.


NutLoose 10th Aug 2022 01:03

Given the destroyed jet and cars in the carpark, this shows the distance between both.


and this is 1km away!


NutLoose 10th Aug 2022 01:13

The strike in Crimea is having an effect, they are still queuing to flee over the bridge.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Crimea%...rc=typed_query

fdr 10th Aug 2022 03:16


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11275790)
The strike in Crimea is having an effect, they are still queuing to flee over the bridge.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Crimea%...rc=typed_query

That would make it interesting to put some holes on the empty lanes... Probably would be tough to do it without collateral losses unfortunately, and that would be bad for the moral high ground. Still, make it difficult to supply occupied Crimea against the flow.

It is not certain that those departing are all supporters of Count Vlad, any civilian would be well advised to be getting out of Dodge, and that is currently the safest direction to travel, supporter or not. Going west would be pretty tough at the FEBA.

decisions, decisions

ORAC 10th Aug 2022 06:20

Your weekly reminder that production of MGM-140 ATACMS ended 15-yrs ago. Only 3,700 ever manufactured. Present inventory unk.

Its replacement, the "Precision Strike Missile," due to saturation levels of good idea fairies won't achieve IOC not until next year.

ORAC 10th Aug 2022 06:52

https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...nian-pipeline/

Russia halts oil flows through Ukrainian pipeline

Russian oil deliveries through the southern Druzhba pipeline servicing Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic have been halted since August 4, Russian supplier Transneft said Tuesday.

The company cited a problem with EU financial sanctions, which resulted in Transneft's regular payment for transit across Ukraine bouncing on July 28. Ukraine's state-owned Naftogaz, the parent company of oil infrastructure operator Ukrtransnafta, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The payment was routed through Russia's Gazprombank, which is not subject to EU sanctions. But the reason for the returned payment was given as "the entry into force of EU Regulation 2022/1269. In particular, the procedure for controlling cross-border payments from the Russian Federation was specified," the Transneft statement reads.

The Russian oil supplier claimed that EU-based correspondent banks handling money flows from Russia are not currently able to independently decide on authorization for individual transactions, and must wait for approval from national authorities.

"To resolve the issue, Transneft sent an appeal to an authorized bank for further transfer of information to the European regulator in order to obtain permission to conduct settlements ... options for an alternative flow of funds are being worked out, daily consultations and negotiations with servicing banks are carried out," the supplier said. "However, to date, the issue of the possibility of making payments has not been resolved."


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