View Poll Results: Should the RAF absorb the FAA/AAC?
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Should the RAF absorb the FAA/AAC?
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Should the RAF absorb the FAA/AAC?
Lets keep it how it was in the old days. The RAF could split into proper commands again (Fighter, Bomber, Coastal, Transport)
If we took away their helicopters, the Joint Helicopter Command would be pointless. Therefore saving money!
If we took away their helicopters, the Joint Helicopter Command would be pointless. Therefore saving money!
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"Lets keep it how it was in the old days. The RAF could split into proper commands again (Fighter, Bomber, Coastal, Transport)"
Fighter, Bomber, Coastal, Transport and ISTAR. I like it.
Fighter, Bomber, Coastal, Transport and ISTAR. I like it.
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Capital, what a splendid idea lets go back to the good old days of the Royal Naval Air Service and the Royal Army Flying Corps. Super, and why not come back down to earth for a Pimms what!
Get real you're only fishing and I guess I was hooked.
Get real you're only fishing and I guess I was hooked.
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Definately not, the 3 services have very different roles to play in the air. The AAC is designed to support the Army, a job the RAF would be less able to due as it is not so closely linked. The army would not have the immediate support and firepower it needs, the same applies to the FAA. If you suggest re-splitting the RAF up into different sections then merging would be pointless.
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Wagstaff...
You say the AAC supports the Army? They can't even find the pilots to fly the Apache.
Who do you think the biggest user of the RAF Support Helicopter force is? I'll tell you, the Army. How can we not be 'closely linked' when there is a Joint Helicopter Command which exists to integrate our command and control to make us all more efficient.
Who do you think did all the flying in Afghanistan due to having more capable kit?.... the RAF.
Who is operating all the time off the carriers and working ever more closely with the FAA?.....the RAF!
It wouldn't be 'pointless', because 1 organisation would be able to pool all it's expertise and take the best elements from all the ASW, ASU, SH, CAS and SEAD experts that exist out there.
Take these assets, put them in 1 common uniform, give them 1 unified command structure as opposed to this attempt at 'jointery' that exists today, leave the army/navy absolutely everything except it's aircraft and airbases .....and it would be much more efficient.
FUNKY MUNKY: Obviously not too funky are you? Using terms like Royal Army Flying Corps, you're not too interested in military flying.
Who do you think the biggest user of the RAF Support Helicopter force is? I'll tell you, the Army. How can we not be 'closely linked' when there is a Joint Helicopter Command which exists to integrate our command and control to make us all more efficient.
Who do you think did all the flying in Afghanistan due to having more capable kit?.... the RAF.
Who is operating all the time off the carriers and working ever more closely with the FAA?.....the RAF!
It wouldn't be 'pointless', because 1 organisation would be able to pool all it's expertise and take the best elements from all the ASW, ASU, SH, CAS and SEAD experts that exist out there.
Take these assets, put them in 1 common uniform, give them 1 unified command structure as opposed to this attempt at 'jointery' that exists today, leave the army/navy absolutely everything except it's aircraft and airbases .....and it would be much more efficient.
FUNKY MUNKY: Obviously not too funky are you? Using terms like Royal Army Flying Corps, you're not too interested in military flying.
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Risky.
What an amusing way of backing up your own argument!
“Who do you think the biggest user of the RAF Support Helicopter force is? I'll tell you, the Army”
“Who is operating all the time off the carriers and working ever more closely with the FAA?.....the RAF!”
Couple your very accurate statements above with the fact that the Army has more helicopters than the RAF and the FAA put together then I would agree that full unadulterated jointery would appear very sensible. But again, because of the above facts, quite why this force would be commanded by pond life, sorry I mean Crabs is beyond me.
What an amusing way of backing up your own argument!
“Who do you think the biggest user of the RAF Support Helicopter force is? I'll tell you, the Army”
“Who is operating all the time off the carriers and working ever more closely with the FAA?.....the RAF!”
Couple your very accurate statements above with the fact that the Army has more helicopters than the RAF and the FAA put together then I would agree that full unadulterated jointery would appear very sensible. But again, because of the above facts, quite why this force would be commanded by pond life, sorry I mean Crabs is beyond me.
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B&Y,
The only reason we drip when on board your boats is cos it's so bloody disorganised. I mean, "Action Snacks". What the £u(k is that all about?
Actually I take it back, you guys are great. I'm sure it was planned all along for you all to formate on an oil tanker in the Med on the way to Saif Sareea II in the firm belief it really WAS HMS Fearless.
The only reason we drip when on board your boats is cos it's so bloody disorganised. I mean, "Action Snacks". What the £u(k is that all about?
Actually I take it back, you guys are great. I'm sure it was planned all along for you all to formate on an oil tanker in the Med on the way to Saif Sareea II in the firm belief it really WAS HMS Fearless.
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Absolutely right old chap, the army does have more helicopters!! That deserves a party........... we could send 4 Chinooks across to pick up ALL of your aircrew.............
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I really wasn't going to rise to this sort of cheap baiting, but whatthehell...
Risky, are you truly so gullible as to believe the SUN (the paper wot supports our boys!) regarding the so-called AAC pilot shortage - no, didn't think so.
JT, will these four chooks be auth'd as a formation airtest then, or what?
Now, can we please raise this forum above the third-form pecker contest to which it has appeared to degenerate?
Thanks.
Risky, are you truly so gullible as to believe the SUN (the paper wot supports our boys!) regarding the so-called AAC pilot shortage - no, didn't think so.
JT, will these four chooks be auth'd as a formation airtest then, or what?
Now, can we please raise this forum above the third-form pecker contest to which it has appeared to degenerate?
Thanks.
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Jaateeto.
You too are absolutely right. (we're all doing very well!)
We have but a fraction of your aircrew, but then we don't need two door sliders in the back of our cabs telling us if the football pitch, sorry, confined area is big enough for us to land in.
Amazingly, us thick pongos are fully aware of the size of our.......................wait for it................................aircraft! and don't need to be told by balast with DNA!!
You too are absolutely right. (we're all doing very well!)
We have but a fraction of your aircrew, but then we don't need two door sliders in the back of our cabs telling us if the football pitch, sorry, confined area is big enough for us to land in.
Amazingly, us thick pongos are fully aware of the size of our.......................wait for it................................aircraft! and don't need to be told by balast with DNA!!
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Dear oh dear TR have you read YASMR retort,
Seems you have really rattled this particular squaddies cage you naughty boy
It would seem that despite approaching the year 2003 "she" still has no concept of the fact that size really matters When you pilot a "metro" you may very well be able to manage with a SNCO, normally a "tatooed bloke", if my memory of Lynx5/9 Cdrs serves me well, who is only half a rung further up the food chain than the guy on the gate! He has the misfortune to often have to sit next to 2nd Lt Farquarr-Smythe-Thompson of the Queens own first Limp of Wrist and both are normally in the company of Cpl "ND" on the GPMG.
However when you fly something as sophisticated and as chuffin huge as the wokka it makes sense to have the crew composition you guys have.......ex percy mate here now coffee boy on J I wonder how our grunt friend would cope with 80' strops or triples etc without some sort of voice marshalling............oh sill me he won't have to as his metro can only carry the odd net of "gash" and 8 gate guards in the back.
I got to go and watch my lad play footie then go into crew rest as I am off to Crete on sunday..............wonder what "henna man" is up to
all spelling mistake are "df" alcohol induced
Seems you have really rattled this particular squaddies cage you naughty boy
It would seem that despite approaching the year 2003 "she" still has no concept of the fact that size really matters
When you pilot a "metro" you may very well be able to manage with a SNCO, normally a "tatooed bloke", if my memory of Lynx5/9 Cdrs serves me well, who is only half a rung further up the food chain than the guy on the gate! He has the misfortune to often have to sit next to 2nd Lt Farquarr-Smythe-Thompson of the Queens own first Limp of Wrist and both are normally in the company of Cpl "ND" on the GPMG.However when you fly something as sophisticated and as chuffin huge as the wokka it makes sense to have the crew composition you guys have.......ex percy mate here now coffee boy on J
I wonder how our grunt friend would cope with 80' strops or triples etc without some sort of voice marshalling............oh sill me he won't have to as his metro can only carry the odd net of "gash" and 8 gate guards in the back.I got to go and watch my lad play footie then go into crew rest as I am off to Crete on sunday..............wonder what "henna man" is up to
all spelling mistake are "df" alcohol induced
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OH DEAR!
It is quite amuseing watching the RAF doing decks. There was the time when the GR7 cashed on NVG because the RAF don't do beat up programmes, then there was the chinook that took its wheels off in Brightstar OH! and then there was the time that the RAF wouldn't fly on OCEAN cos it was toooooo dark BUT OH the Lynx Gazelle and 3 Seakings went off into the bondu and carried on for them!!!
Moral!
Let the Navy stick to what they do best
Let the Army play with Apache
Let the RAF remember where they got their roots from!!
It is quite amuseing watching the RAF doing decks. There was the time when the GR7 cashed on NVG because the RAF don't do beat up programmes, then there was the chinook that took its wheels off in Brightstar OH! and then there was the time that the RAF wouldn't fly on OCEAN cos it was toooooo dark BUT OH the Lynx Gazelle and 3 Seakings went off into the bondu and carried on for them!!!
Moral!
Let the Navy stick to what they do best
Let the Army play with Apache
Let the RAF remember where they got their roots from!!
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Froggy,
Maybe they decided not fly off Ocean in the dark to avoid working with the shambolic crew in even more trying circumstances than normal. Know your limits 'n' all that. Using a Gazelle as a yard stick for Chinook ops......nice one, I remember that.
Oh and whoever said "we don't need two door sliders in the back of our cabs", neither do we. The forward door is an up-and-over affair and the ramp is an hydraulicky-uppy-downy drawbridge type thingy. Either way, there are no sliding doors.
Maybe they decided not fly off Ocean in the dark to avoid working with the shambolic crew in even more trying circumstances than normal. Know your limits 'n' all that. Using a Gazelle as a yard stick for Chinook ops......nice one, I remember that.
Oh and whoever said "we don't need two door sliders in the back of our cabs", neither do we. The forward door is an up-and-over affair and the ramp is an hydraulicky-uppy-downy drawbridge type thingy. Either way, there are no sliding doors.
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Brown/Dark blue jobs
Check this out
http://www.wokka.co.uk/hc2canon.html
Got anything that can do this
Nuff said
TR
The problem with the "hairy arm corp" as I recall from my R850 days was as soon as Major Cockup from the Mill said jump they all said "How high sir" and would launch into the muck and filth without any thought to limits or safety what so ever.
Rather unlike us professional types who look at the met conditions and make informed decisions based on our current laid down minimas. Our criteria was provided someones life was not at risk no job is that important.
However did launch one nite on gogs to pick up a yet another lost stick suffering from acute hypotherm stuff........less than a k vis and well below 200'.......lots of "letter boxes" in sth armpit...job done back to bed. Broke the rules so no tea and medals but big grin for a job well done.
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
PS only a metter of time till the url of lynx/sea quenn as usl appears
Check this out
http://www.wokka.co.uk/hc2canon.html
Got anything that can do this
Nuff said
TR
The problem with the "hairy arm corp" as I recall from my R850 days was as soon as Major Cockup from the Mill said jump they all said "How high sir" and would launch into the muck and filth without any thought to limits or safety what so ever.
Rather unlike us professional types who look at the met conditions and make informed decisions based on our current laid down minimas. Our criteria was provided someones life was not at risk no job is that important.
However did launch one nite on gogs to pick up a yet another lost stick suffering from acute hypotherm stuff........less than a k vis and well below 200'.......lots of "letter boxes" in sth armpit...job done back to bed. Broke the rules so no tea and medals but big grin for a job well done.
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
PS only a metter of time till the url of lynx/sea quenn as usl appears
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Always Broke.....
Agree with everything you've said. If you break the rules all the time, you're left with no margin to negotiate. Obviously too subtle for the dark blue and brown jobs.
As for:
"PS only a metter of time till the url of lynx/sea quenn as usl appears"
You mean like the one off Argus recently?
Still, with it being a Navy aircraft hitting a navy ship, regardless of whether it was "Seaking hit boat" or "Boat hit Seaking", it's still the NAVY that screwed up!
Agree with everything you've said. If you break the rules all the time, you're left with no margin to negotiate. Obviously too subtle for the dark blue and brown jobs.
As for:
"PS only a metter of time till the url of lynx/sea quenn as usl appears"
You mean like the one off Argus recently?
Still, with it being a Navy aircraft hitting a navy ship, regardless of whether it was "Seaking hit boat" or "Boat hit Seaking", it's still the NAVY that screwed up!
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hmmm
1. Your name says it all
2. Contradiction We professional types look at the weather and our laid down minima........ then you went out in **** and were smug and hero about it.
3 Get a life that "stick" maybe lost or hurt doing a job that I know you couldnt ( no tea and biccy at ten and tall stories)
4. The boys at R850 will go if they think they can do it regardless of Major Humperdink Smyths request.
5 Simple fact to them their fellow mates in ****, to you and your type (not all RAF fall into this I add) their cargo
6 If you want to go to bar and tell all of your heroisim and tall stories in NI do some then, not mong about in crew room whinging about how **** it is and the weather is awful chaps whats on TV.
hmmm
1. Your name says it all
2. Contradiction We professional types look at the weather and our laid down minima........ then you went out in **** and were smug and hero about it.
3 Get a life that "stick" maybe lost or hurt doing a job that I know you couldnt ( no tea and biccy at ten and tall stories)
4. The boys at R850 will go if they think they can do it regardless of Major Humperdink Smyths request.
5 Simple fact to them their fellow mates in ****, to you and your type (not all RAF fall into this I add) their cargo
6 If you want to go to bar and tell all of your heroisim and tall stories in NI do some then, not mong about in crew room whinging about how **** it is and the weather is awful chaps whats on TV.
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Does anyone actually understand the above message?
And Adminman.....
"The boys at R850 will go if they think they can do it regardless of Major Humperdink Smyths request".........or the laid down limits.
And Adminman.....
"The boys at R850 will go if they think they can do it regardless of Major Humperdink Smyths request".........or the laid down limits.