jolihokistix

Dang, now I've forgotten the word for the J.Geobbels Russian technique of doing something reprehensible, then quickly turning around and loudly accusing your enemy of doing what you have just perpetrated upon them.

Ninthace

Does the Ukrainian drone, nicknamed Beaver, exist as it seems to fit the canard configuration show in the pictures? I have only found it so far on Twitter based stories and I am not sure the source is trustworthy, There is also the question of its range.

Timmy Tomkins

Which is exactly what I was hoping the west would do on the breakup of the USSR. Instead of which, western leaders crowed about the defeat of communism and let them struggle, which has led directly to where we are now. Will lessons be learned? Sadly, I doubt it.

Mk 1

Problem is I don't thing the poor bloody conscripts have much say in it. Plenty of stories of deserters being shot.

NutLoose

Not just the UK, France has supplied them as well I believe or are in the process of doing it.

Mk 1

Sure if this were a one on one confrontation - Ukraine would definitely need to tighten its belt. But as the west are backing Ukraine - then they need to protect their other resource - manpower and hang the cost - the west has very deep pockets by comparison.

NutLoose

Prigozhin is spitting out his dummy over the erm UAV's... strange that it's ok for them to do it, but not the other way around.

NutLoose

Talk of removing the "trash" from Ukraine... He could simply order a retreat to do that.

fdr

Might be time for anger management for Mr Prighozin, it'll be cheaper than putting the kopeks in the bad language jar. He is talking about his mates in crime, so much for honour amongst thieves. At least in the C.A.R. or Sudan he won't be near any high windows.

NutLoose

Russian organised to try to disrupt war efforts?


maybe a give away.

NutLoose

Tartiflette Fan

As well as the targets, the amount of damage inflicted in published photos is minimal - smoke stains and maybe a cracked window: even a kilo or two of explosive would have created a lot more damage.

EDIT: This picture shows more damage than the first one I saw, but still small amount of explosive, presumably meaning a short-distance drone with small carrying capacity and launched locally.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...ck-in-24-hours

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langleybaston

I understand and cannot disagree in logic but [a big BUT] why would the Orcs do it? Can it possibly help their cause? I just cannot join the dots.

Can it add to the hatred felt by Russians at the failure of the Special Military Operation? Will it help voluntary recruitment?

Will it gain any more dubious allies?

Or should we stop attributing joined-up thought processes to these vodka-ravaged criminals?

NutLoose

Because they could say it crosses a red flag and then allows for retaliation, possibily at the Ukrainian nuclear plant.

Tartiflette Fan

Given all the bluff/double-bluff and...and, I don't know who did it, but the Russians could use it to simply say that the Ukrainians aren't the white knights they pretend to be as they attack civilians .

pasta

This. If it was a false flag (and I'm not convinced either way) it allows them to continue portraying the Ukranians as nazi terrorists in their domestic media.

This was quite amusing though:

NutLoose

It appears another train has fallen off its tracks...

fdr

• Moral equivalence;
• Proximate Justification for greater violence on Ukraines civilian population;
• its in their nature (The Scorpion & the Frog);
• ZNPP destruction.

None of those are reasonable, nor is invading your purported friends and relatives. The good news is that Russias own bread basket is also down wind of all targets and nuclear facilities in the Ukraine, and I would wager that Putin destroying a NPP in Ukraine will have a mirror event upwind of Moscow and other RF cities. It is insane from a risk viewpoint, why would Ukraine not take debris from a destroyed NPP in their territory due to criminal action of Russia and not send it by post, train, car or plane to down town Moscow. There is an irrational expectation that criminal acts can be conducted without consequences by Russia, at almost all levels of the population, from the man in the tower to the troops that casually murders the people they are supposedly invading a country to protect them from.... Nazi's. Russia has a lot of baggage to make up for, and this century is only so long to go.

NutLoose

There is a possibility of getting German Eurofighter to Ukraine!!!