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Estonia and Denmark are coordinating the delivery of 2 patrol boats.
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Weapons are begining to roll into Poland from the latest US shipment.
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Russia has broken through the Ukrainian lines 
A long read but worth reading.
A long read but worth reading.Last edited by NutLoose; 26th April 2024 at 11:31.
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Russia is starting deliveries of the S-500, one wonders if it will be any better as it has probably been in development for years and will have had little time to adapt to the realities it may face.
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Someone needs to put a drone into Victory park!
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Well this is just confusing.. More of Russia's "funnies".. To use a term that covered Percy Hobarts inventions
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In the Avdiivka direction, the "ix-guides" from the group of troops "Center" burned to the ground with "Lancet" another star-striped tank, which was chased by "Abrams" in the AFU. "We've been tracking Abrams for three days On the first day, we searched for him and found him, we wanted to hit him, but the enemy defended him very seriously. Our drone was jammed by EWS. I had to fly a lot, watch.
Abrams has never been in one place, constantly changed firing positions or went to the rear area for refueling," the special purpose platoon commander with the callsign "Igla" was quoted on April 25 in our defense department According to him, "on the day of combat use, we flew out very early, found a target. We hit the target in the wind and hit, fortunately. Although our work was long and painstaking, it brought results." The footage shows the detonation of the tank's ammunition.
This news will hit the reputation of the "NATO" 47th OMBR "Magura" even more painfully, which during the battle in the Avdeevsky section of the front not only lost several "Abrams" and "Bradley", but also suffered the most severe reputational losses.
This is interesting because the brigade is directly subordinate to the Pentagon and is fully supported by the U.S. Department of Defense according to the wartime standard. Such information can be obtained from the soldiers' forums of the AFU, where the "Magurovites" are called Yankees.
Now the General Staff of the AFU and the Pentagon are trying to understand how the best proxy-NATO passed Ocheretino. According to the insider layouts of the public "Viyskova Kraina", the loss of a strategically important settlement occurred during the period when, in the idea, "Magura" was supposed to be in it. According to the Ukrainian Yankees, the Russians did what they had never done before: they attacked at the moment when the 47th OMBR was coming out and the 115th entered According to the rotation protocol, the "natovtsy" had to wait for the brothers to the positions and hand them over for signature.
That is, at the time of the breakthrough of our fighters, two brigades were supposed to be in Ocheretino at once, but in the end, as the Ukro-Pravdorubs are stitching, there were very few defenders, and then not from among the experienced "heroes", but forcibly graved "mobics" "Of course, the already exhausted 47th was hastily returned back, and is forced to pay with blood for another failure at the level of security and command," the experts of "Viyskova Kraina" say According to an unnamed officer of the General Staff of the AFU (who reported the Ukrainian "teley" on condition of anonymity), no one should have known about the rotation.
Even the brigades were informed about it in a couple of hours Thus, the change of pidrozdiliv had to remain a secret for the Russians. However, one of the "their" told them about this and, despite a very short time, the Russian Armed Forces managed to conduct their attack at the junction of sectors, one of which previously occupied the 47th, and the second is still controlled by the 129th Brigade and the Rock battalion This anonymous swored a lot on the Internet, as this is not the first case of such a universal scale. He believes that the fall of Bakhmut began with the unexpected capture of Soledar by the Russians during the same failure of rotation.
Then the Wagner PMC fighters, knowing the time of the "shift", were able to overturn the light patrols of the AFU and met the defenders on the way to the position The Ukro-officer called the incident a "massar" of Ukrainian soldiers who rushed around the city in an attempt to find at least some shelter. Something similar happened in Ocheretino. The 47th Mechanical Brigade issued an official statement according to which "Magura" was not directly involved in the chaos in the village, which allowed Russian soldiers to break into the settlement.
"Heroes" on "Bradley" tried to go back at high speed, but the Russian group of troops "Center" rushed forward with the VKS: Su-30 and Su-35, dominating the air, launched direct air strikes on the advancing column. In addition, Ukrainian drones fired friendly fire on the returned pidrozdils with their heavy drones from MANPADS, having received inaccurate panic information about the capture of the village center by assault detachments of the Russian Armed Forces. After the leadership of the Magura Brigade became aware of the friendly fire, the independent soldiers suffered heavy losses and were forced to retreat. Our soldiers immediately took their place.
Despite the official statements of the talkers of the AFU about stabilization in Ocheretino, the Ukrainian army left the entire village, leaving only one position in the very north-east. However, according to the latest data, the Banderites have already escaped from there. When the drape in Novobakhmutovka began, the Su-25 and Ka-52 of the VKS pursued the "Magurovites" at low altitude, increasing damage and wreaking havoc, thereby clearing the way for our units.
Because of the panic and mess in the management, this settlement was surrendered in the conditions of the "massare" of Ukrainian soldiers by Russian attack aircraft "On the morning of April 24, despite several counterattacks by the reinforcements of the AFU, the Russians captured Novobakhmutovka. Moreover, around 21:00 last evening they fixed all of Ocheretino and on the last night they began an offensive to the west of it, as well as from Novobakhmutovka to Solovyovo. At the same time, they also storm Berdychi from the north and east, and Novokalinovo from the south and east Such sadness was reported by Roman Pogorelov from DeepState (blocked in our country). According to the few survivors of the Magurovs who survived the "chereretinsky meat grinder", "they went to hell."
Abrams has never been in one place, constantly changed firing positions or went to the rear area for refueling," the special purpose platoon commander with the callsign "Igla" was quoted on April 25 in our defense department According to him, "on the day of combat use, we flew out very early, found a target. We hit the target in the wind and hit, fortunately. Although our work was long and painstaking, it brought results." The footage shows the detonation of the tank's ammunition.
This news will hit the reputation of the "NATO" 47th OMBR "Magura" even more painfully, which during the battle in the Avdeevsky section of the front not only lost several "Abrams" and "Bradley", but also suffered the most severe reputational losses.
This is interesting because the brigade is directly subordinate to the Pentagon and is fully supported by the U.S. Department of Defense according to the wartime standard. Such information can be obtained from the soldiers' forums of the AFU, where the "Magurovites" are called Yankees.
Now the General Staff of the AFU and the Pentagon are trying to understand how the best proxy-NATO passed Ocheretino. According to the insider layouts of the public "Viyskova Kraina", the loss of a strategically important settlement occurred during the period when, in the idea, "Magura" was supposed to be in it. According to the Ukrainian Yankees, the Russians did what they had never done before: they attacked at the moment when the 47th OMBR was coming out and the 115th entered According to the rotation protocol, the "natovtsy" had to wait for the brothers to the positions and hand them over for signature.
That is, at the time of the breakthrough of our fighters, two brigades were supposed to be in Ocheretino at once, but in the end, as the Ukro-Pravdorubs are stitching, there were very few defenders, and then not from among the experienced "heroes", but forcibly graved "mobics" "Of course, the already exhausted 47th was hastily returned back, and is forced to pay with blood for another failure at the level of security and command," the experts of "Viyskova Kraina" say According to an unnamed officer of the General Staff of the AFU (who reported the Ukrainian "teley" on condition of anonymity), no one should have known about the rotation.
Even the brigades were informed about it in a couple of hours Thus, the change of pidrozdiliv had to remain a secret for the Russians. However, one of the "their" told them about this and, despite a very short time, the Russian Armed Forces managed to conduct their attack at the junction of sectors, one of which previously occupied the 47th, and the second is still controlled by the 129th Brigade and the Rock battalion This anonymous swored a lot on the Internet, as this is not the first case of such a universal scale. He believes that the fall of Bakhmut began with the unexpected capture of Soledar by the Russians during the same failure of rotation.
Then the Wagner PMC fighters, knowing the time of the "shift", were able to overturn the light patrols of the AFU and met the defenders on the way to the position The Ukro-officer called the incident a "massar" of Ukrainian soldiers who rushed around the city in an attempt to find at least some shelter. Something similar happened in Ocheretino. The 47th Mechanical Brigade issued an official statement according to which "Magura" was not directly involved in the chaos in the village, which allowed Russian soldiers to break into the settlement.
"Heroes" on "Bradley" tried to go back at high speed, but the Russian group of troops "Center" rushed forward with the VKS: Su-30 and Su-35, dominating the air, launched direct air strikes on the advancing column. In addition, Ukrainian drones fired friendly fire on the returned pidrozdils with their heavy drones from MANPADS, having received inaccurate panic information about the capture of the village center by assault detachments of the Russian Armed Forces. After the leadership of the Magura Brigade became aware of the friendly fire, the independent soldiers suffered heavy losses and were forced to retreat. Our soldiers immediately took their place.
Despite the official statements of the talkers of the AFU about stabilization in Ocheretino, the Ukrainian army left the entire village, leaving only one position in the very north-east. However, according to the latest data, the Banderites have already escaped from there. When the drape in Novobakhmutovka began, the Su-25 and Ka-52 of the VKS pursued the "Magurovites" at low altitude, increasing damage and wreaking havoc, thereby clearing the way for our units.
Because of the panic and mess in the management, this settlement was surrendered in the conditions of the "massare" of Ukrainian soldiers by Russian attack aircraft "On the morning of April 24, despite several counterattacks by the reinforcements of the AFU, the Russians captured Novobakhmutovka. Moreover, around 21:00 last evening they fixed all of Ocheretino and on the last night they began an offensive to the west of it, as well as from Novobakhmutovka to Solovyovo. At the same time, they also storm Berdychi from the north and east, and Novokalinovo from the south and east Such sadness was reported by Roman Pogorelov from DeepState (blocked in our country). According to the few survivors of the Magurovs who survived the "chereretinsky meat grinder", "they went to hell."
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According to military analyst Colby Badwar , from The Insider publication, there are currently 1,281 ATACMS missiles in the US stockpile, which are "expired" (Photo 1) - if we talk more specifically about the options:
1)M39 Block I (165 km, cluster warhead - 950 BE) - 157 units;
2) M39 Block IA (300 km, cluster warhead - 250 BE) - 532 units;
3) M39 Block 2/2A (140km/220km, cluster warhead - smart 13/6 BE) - 75 units;
4) M48/M57+M57E1 (300/300/310km, fragmentation warhead) - 517;
Also, some publics in Telegram spread information that it seems that ATACMS production has been restored, but this is not quite the case (photo 2).
During the 20/21 fiscal year, the US Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of about 500 new missiles of the M57 variant, or converted M57E1 from decommissioned M39s, during the 23-24 year.
Ps That is, an arsenal of 1,281 ATACMS missiles has been opened for Ukraine.
The Pentagon, in turn, can transfer them according to the scheme of replenishing its own reserves (that is, it can give X-quantity of M39 Block I, and buy newer options, such as PrSm - at 500 km)
1)M39 Block I (165 km, cluster warhead - 950 BE) - 157 units;
2) M39 Block IA (300 km, cluster warhead - 250 BE) - 532 units;
3) M39 Block 2/2A (140km/220km, cluster warhead - smart 13/6 BE) - 75 units;
4) M48/M57+M57E1 (300/300/310km, fragmentation warhead) - 517;
Also, some publics in Telegram spread information that it seems that ATACMS production has been restored, but this is not quite the case (photo 2).
During the 20/21 fiscal year, the US Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of about 500 new missiles of the M57 variant, or converted M57E1 from decommissioned M39s, during the 23-24 year.
Ps That is, an arsenal of 1,281 ATACMS missiles has been opened for Ukraine.
The Pentagon, in turn, can transfer them according to the scheme of replenishing its own reserves (that is, it can give X-quantity of M39 Block I, and buy newer options, such as PrSm - at 500 km)
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A more or less complete shot down Russian Kh-55SM, I bet the US will be interested to see it.
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Ukraine cleared to use ATACMS in Crimea? funny I thought they already had.
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If China does not do something about aiding Russia, America will.
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An article in Newsweek today.
Story by David Brennan
The tanks provided to Ukraine have reportedly struggled to deal with Russian drones.© Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images
The U.S. is withdrawing its Abrams main tanks from Ukrainian battlefields after the platforms proved unable to deal with the threat of Russian drones, according to two unnamed U.S. military officials who spoke with the Associated Press.
Five of the 31 American Abrams sent to Ukraine since January 2023 have already been lost to Russian action, the AP said. Their delivery came after months of intense lobbying on Kyiv's part, but the armored platforms—along with others supplied by NATO allies—failed to make the decisive battlefield impact that Ukraine had hoped for.
The Abrams—the unit cost of which is around $10 million each—have fallen victim to the mass use of drones over Ukrainian battlefields, with both sides employing surveillance and strike platforms in the attritional fighting that has come to characterize Russia's invasion.
Their constant presence in the air has made it difficult to amass and move high-value weapons systems like the Abrams close to the front.
"There isn't open ground that you can just drive across without fear of detection," a senior defense official told reporters Thursday, as quoted by the AP.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Vice Chairman Admiral Christopher Grady and a third, unnamed source confirmed to the AP that the surviving tanks had been withdrawn from the front, with the Americans and Ukrainians now planning to review tactics for their use.
"When you think about the way the fight has evolved, massed armor in an environment where unmanned aerial systems are ubiquitous can be at risk," Grady said.
"Now, there is a way to do it," he added. "We'll work with our Ukrainian partners, and other partners on the ground, to help them think through how they might use that, in that kind of changed environment now, where everything is seen immediately."
Newsweek reached out to the Pentagon and the Ukrainian Defense Ministry by email to request comment.
Russian propaganda has been giving prominence to videos and images of defeated Western tanks.
"There is nothing unusual in this tank in the way it is praised by the West and Ukraine," one soldier with the callsign Izai told the state-run Tass news agency. "It left a poor impression and I expected something more."
Moscow has repeatedly vowed to destroy the advanced Western weapons systems sent to Ukraine, claiming that aid from the U.S. and its allies will only prolong—not help win—Kyiv's existential defense war.
Last September, for example, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters at a press briefing, "There is no panacea, no single weapon that can change the balance of power on the battlefield."
As to Western weapons, he said: "They too will burn."
A few points.
1. No weapons system is magic.
2. Ukraine does not have air superiority, and neither do the Russians.
3. Abrams was built under the air land battle assumptions of the 1980's and upgraded based on Force XXI concepts a couple of decades later.
4. If you can't fight a combined arms battle, you will often come up short.
5. Seems smart to come up with some new TTPs, as is mentioned in the article, rather than simply providing Russian drone pilots with some target practice.
But I want to ask this, from the opening line of the article; wait, the US is withdrawing the tanks? I thought they had been given to Ukraine? What is going on here? More Strings Attached? Or has Ukraine chosen to pull them back unitl better tactics/schemes are developed?
America's Abrams Tanks Are Failing the Ukraine Test
Story by David Brennan
The tanks provided to Ukraine have reportedly struggled to deal with Russian drones.© Ian Hitchcock/Getty Images
The U.S. is withdrawing its Abrams main tanks from Ukrainian battlefields after the platforms proved unable to deal with the threat of Russian drones, according to two unnamed U.S. military officials who spoke with the Associated Press.
Five of the 31 American Abrams sent to Ukraine since January 2023 have already been lost to Russian action, the AP said. Their delivery came after months of intense lobbying on Kyiv's part, but the armored platforms—along with others supplied by NATO allies—failed to make the decisive battlefield impact that Ukraine had hoped for.
The Abrams—the unit cost of which is around $10 million each—have fallen victim to the mass use of drones over Ukrainian battlefields, with both sides employing surveillance and strike platforms in the attritional fighting that has come to characterize Russia's invasion.
Their constant presence in the air has made it difficult to amass and move high-value weapons systems like the Abrams close to the front.
"There isn't open ground that you can just drive across without fear of detection," a senior defense official told reporters Thursday, as quoted by the AP.
Joint Chiefs of Staff Vice Chairman Admiral Christopher Grady and a third, unnamed source confirmed to the AP that the surviving tanks had been withdrawn from the front, with the Americans and Ukrainians now planning to review tactics for their use.
"When you think about the way the fight has evolved, massed armor in an environment where unmanned aerial systems are ubiquitous can be at risk," Grady said.
"Now, there is a way to do it," he added. "We'll work with our Ukrainian partners, and other partners on the ground, to help them think through how they might use that, in that kind of changed environment now, where everything is seen immediately."
Newsweek reached out to the Pentagon and the Ukrainian Defense Ministry by email to request comment.
Russian propaganda has been giving prominence to videos and images of defeated Western tanks.
"There is nothing unusual in this tank in the way it is praised by the West and Ukraine," one soldier with the callsign Izai told the state-run Tass news agency. "It left a poor impression and I expected something more."
Moscow has repeatedly vowed to destroy the advanced Western weapons systems sent to Ukraine, claiming that aid from the U.S. and its allies will only prolong—not help win—Kyiv's existential defense war.
Last September, for example, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters at a press briefing, "There is no panacea, no single weapon that can change the balance of power on the battlefield."
As to Western weapons, he said: "They too will burn."
1. No weapons system is magic.
2. Ukraine does not have air superiority, and neither do the Russians.
3. Abrams was built under the air land battle assumptions of the 1980's and upgraded based on Force XXI concepts a couple of decades later.
4. If you can't fight a combined arms battle, you will often come up short.
5. Seems smart to come up with some new TTPs, as is mentioned in the article, rather than simply providing Russian drone pilots with some target practice.
But I want to ask this, from the opening line of the article; wait, the US is withdrawing the tanks? I thought they had been given to Ukraine? What is going on here? More Strings Attached? Or has Ukraine chosen to pull them back unitl better tactics/schemes are developed?
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If this was a war between Russia and America head-on, I doubt any of these 'snippets' would be released into the public domain. OPSEC - every piece of information is useful to the enemy. Careless talk costs lives.
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An article in Newsweek today.
Story by David Brennan
A few points.
1. No weapons system is magic.
2. Ukraine does not have air superiority, and neither do the Russians.
3. Abrams was built under the air land battle assumptions of the 1980's and upgraded based on Force XXI concepts a couple of decades later.
4. If you can't fight a combined arms battle, you will often come up short.
5. Seems smart to come up with some new TTPs, as is mentioned in the article, rather than simply providing Russian drone pilots with some target practice.
But I want to ask this, from the opening line of the article; wait, the US is withdrawing the tanks? I thought they had been given to Ukraine? What is going on here? More Strings Attached? Or has Ukraine chosen to pull them back unitl better tactics/schemes are developed?
America's Abrams Tanks Are Failing the Ukraine Test
Story by David Brennan
A few points.
1. No weapons system is magic.
2. Ukraine does not have air superiority, and neither do the Russians.
3. Abrams was built under the air land battle assumptions of the 1980's and upgraded based on Force XXI concepts a couple of decades later.
4. If you can't fight a combined arms battle, you will often come up short.
5. Seems smart to come up with some new TTPs, as is mentioned in the article, rather than simply providing Russian drone pilots with some target practice.
But I want to ask this, from the opening line of the article; wait, the US is withdrawing the tanks? I thought they had been given to Ukraine? What is going on here? More Strings Attached? Or has Ukraine chosen to pull them back unitl better tactics/schemes are developed?
Or maybe, just maybe, having seen the success of the Russian Tortoises, they have been withdrawn to convert them to TMNT’s…… that for you not so young un’s is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles…… Cowabunga dudes..
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If China does not do something about aiding Russia, America will.
https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...71210427691050
https://twitter.com/Feher_Junior/sta...71210427691050
Appart from sanctions, which would hurt US almost as much as Chinese, what else could be on the table?