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Old 6th Jul 2023, 12:24
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Short thread on something I'm seeing in Ukraine: Russian ammunition dumps / depots within HIMARS/GMLRS/arty/drone range have been blowing up again lately. I have a theory why…..

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Balance of power tank wise has now swung to Ukraines advantage.

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"Ledge" is the ridgeline that overlooks Bakhmut making it difficult for the Russians to move and enables them to be targetted, without holding it they will struggle to control Bakhmut and their resupply lines are threatened too.










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USA to provide cluster munitions.

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IT SHOULD BE A LOT LONGER!

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Originally Posted by langleybaston

This was one of 3 images in the post, two were for the same geographic region, and time, the other was for 2011, covering the detections of Ce137 from Fukushima.

We have seen previously models related directly to fallout from an accident at ZNPP, which were for a specific date and weather condition in 2021. That also assumed a failure of the ZNPP that is one of a spectrum of failures that may arise when criminal action is considered, instead of a simple loss of coolant.

The VVER 1000 have multiple protection systems for cooling to stop catastrophic failures, none cover the deliberate dismantlement of these by demolition charges by a criminal with intent to cause a catastrophe. The last two defences to a meltdown of the core getting to ground and water table are the crucible, and the concrete base of the structure, both which can be damaged and compromised by deliberate action. The spent fuel has it's own failure risks, and can cause its own level of catastrophic contamination.

NPP's don't fail as a nuclear explosion, none have to date, and they cannot under normal circumstances. Will assume that remains the case, but nothing stops the criminals placing a TNW in the same area to make a fashion statement, but that would be readily traceable as to source, the weapons and power plant radioactive materials have characteristic elements that can be determined. Such a case would be traceable back to Russia, and in fact doesn't need to be, any nuclear explosion in Ukraine is of Russian cause, no other exists. That however would alter the spread of radioactive contamination.

For a melt down case, ground contamination gives both water contamination and particulate contamination, water is spread by the local watercourses that exist, and that gets a mess into the Black Sea eventually, Turkey, Romania etc, and potentially into the Mediterranean. Contamination can be from soluble forms or by suspended particulates, the soluble case can spread everywhere, the particulate will have a shorter distance of spread before particulates will come out of suspension.

Hydrogen explosions or steam explosions are least likely in the current condition of the NPP operational status, but are not ruled out completely, we have never had a criminal caused destruction of containment or spent fuel storage. With Chernobyl, the explosion ejected contaminants into the lower atmosphere, contaminating the area around the NPP. the fire spread contaminants into the mid and upper atmosphere, and soluble contaminants were carried within the upper air mass rapidly, (the alarm on the disaster was raised by the Scandinavians who detected rapidly rising levels of Cs 134 and 137, after local NPP workers were detected as being contaminated arriving at work 3 days after the first explosion. 10% of the total fallout of Chernobyl ended up in Nordic countries, thousands of km north and NW of the destroyed reactor. CS 134 has a 2 year half life, 137 has a 30 year half life, and remains the main contaminant in Sweden and other nordic countries.

With the spread of the contaminants into the waterways, carriage of soluble contaminants will occur through evaporation and transport as part of the normal water cycle in the lower and upper atmosphere, and depositing down range is dependent on the physics of the water cycle, and that is a pretty complex matter to determine, any model would need to be a statistical spread as many of the mechanisms that are involved are independent, and stochastic, not easy to model a single solution.

The main point is, there is no good news in criminal destruction of a NPP; if any single act has ever needed to be considered a crime against humanity, that would be a candidate. Nearly 40 years later, contamination from Chernobyl is still causing higher cancer rates in nordic countries than background, such criminal actions don't just harm todays generation, they harm future generations.

Personal opinion: it is time to throw Russia out of the UN, suspending their membership in total, and to stop fluffing about over Art 27(3) and get UNSC action without Russia's vote, they are prohibited by Art 27(3) of voting, yet the UNSC members lack the spine to act accordingly. Wasn't always that way, but it has become the norm, so the blame for the potential global disaster that may exceed Chernobyl and Fukushima stains all UNSC members. A pox on all their houses too.
Thank you ............... you take a macro view in space and time, I was and am focused on the short term and local to the UKR including the illegally occupied areas. Either way it must never happen, but with crazed and evil subhumans running events, who can tell?
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How the mighty Russian army has fallen.



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Damned good gun and an excellent sniper weapon, very accurate.

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Soviet kit vs western kit. Soviet kit send its crew to a low orbit. Western kit protects the crew and takes them to safety.



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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Damned good gun and an excellent sniper weapon, very accurate.
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Maskirovska ir truth?

This may be the reason why all the crazy talk about the nuke plant, the Russians are scared.

Russian media is saying they have located and IDed the 9th and 10th corps of the UKR army and are openly saying they have nothing to stop them when they kick off, right near the nuke plant.





here is what Rybar is posting. In the area behind the plant they have no combat firepower, and on the entire line they only have the 36th RU brigade as a res force... everything from the 19th and 42nd div is engaged. the 20the div was supposed to block but they moved it to Bakhmut last month…..

the ONLY units i can see moving are some of the TD battalions or brigades to try to block and buy time for ????. the most probable is the 214th tank... and they are equipped with a mix of T62s and T55s... soooooo



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For no reason, a short primer on DPICM
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Damned good gun and an excellent sniper weapon, very accurate.



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Good for trench warfare, with bolt action and a long barrel?
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker

30 years behind Somalia....





74 years behind Wile E. Coyote. See 2:12 and onwards, 17 September, 1949.


82 years behind the LRDG

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2370956.html

UK to supply Ukraine with 17 specialist fire engines

The UK will supply Ukraine with 17 specialist fire engines as the war-torn country continues to defend itself against the Russian invasion.

The Rapid Intervention and Major Foam Vehicles, sourced from the Royal Air Force, Defence Fire and Rescue and the Welsh Government, are due to arrive in the coming weeks, the Ministry of Defence said.

The Ukrainian military fire service has already conducted a week’s training at RAF Wittering to familiarise themselves with the equipment in preparation.

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said the vehicles would boost the country’s ability to protect its infrastructure amid the Kremlin’s campaign of missile and drone attacks.

They were delivered from locations around the UK to the Cambridgeshire military base, where personnel are inspecting and preparing them before their onward journey to Ukraine…..



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Russia's Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Evkurov, another 'Hero of Russia,' has disappeared without a trace after Prigozhin's coup last month, just like Hero of Russia Surovikin and Hero of Russia Gerasimov.



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Being thrown under the bus?

Chuck Kupchan, former European Affairs Director on the National Security Council & current private citizen went on the sanctioned "Russia Today" Kremlin propaganda network in May after holding illegal secret appeasement talks with the fascist Russian government about Ukraine

Former US officials Richard Haas, Charles Kupchan, Thomas Graham, and Mary Beth Long among others held "secret" meetings with Lavrov in April to manipulate official US policy to give away Ukrainian territory to Russia. This is illegal under US law.

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The Biden administration did not sanction secret talks that former top U.S. national security officials held with Russian officials close to the Kremlin, including Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, on potential ways to end the war in Ukraine, Reuters reported on July 6, citing comments from the White House and State Department.

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