Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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50 odd minutes of Prigozhin dismantling the failings and strengths of the Russian military, well worth a watch, and. Very well translated.
That's a separate subject. They wanted CBU bombs to take apart for munitions for their drones. The current subject is about 155mm artillery munitions.
I am puzzled about these bomblets. I would normally expected these to be simple explosive units and not any kind of HEAT /squash head type. Are DPICM ever more than simple explosive bomblets ?
Re all the blown up rhetoric about Ukraine gaining cluster weapons, remember..
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status...98872602902529
https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status...98872602902529
This is a field in Kharkiv, Ukraine, where spent Russian cluster bombs are stored.
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His SpaceX stuff is really amazing, but the social media side not so much. Twitter is now private, but the decrease in advertising revenue since he took over is significant. It's his money (and a lot of bank money too), but I don't see this coming out well financially. I'm a single data point, but I will never pay Musk a single penny to read or post on his site. Relevant to this thread he has made threats to discontinue Ukrainian satellite communications, although that has not yet happened.
In each case, they are designed to align themselves so that they are pointing down when the shaped charge goes off (airburst) and blast shrapnel downward (after separation from the canister).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-p...ional_munition
People here have talked about ground burst bomblets, I can't say for sure, but I doubt there is such a thing.
50 odd minutes of Prigozhin dismantling the failings and strengths of the Russian military, well worth a watch, and. Very well translated.
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...49294515531777
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I read a long time ago that they are being kept as evidence for future war crime proceedings against Russia. Holding the evidence of used clusters, ie the outer casings that carried the bomblets, it is pretty indefensible to deny you used them, when you have the physical evidence in front of you with markings on them saying where they were made and by whom, which can tally up with photographs of them at the actual scene of the atrocities.
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
I read a long time ago that they are being kept as evidence for future war crime proceedings against Russia.k
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
The sooner the Russian conscript revolts against his revolting officer corp, the sooner they stop dying trying to save Putin from embarrassment. Between embarrassment and dismemberment, or loss of life, the conscript, who has no food, water, ammo or leadership from his team might come to a logical conclusion. They can always join the Free Russians. and get fed, get shoes, socks, and ammo to take out the vermin that infest their own country, and have some dignity.
I read a long time ago that they are being kept as evidence for future war crime proceedings against Russia. Holding the evidence of used clusters, ie the outer casings that carried the bomblets, it is pretty indefensible to deny you used them, when you have the physical evidence in front of you with markings on them saying where they were made and by whom, which can tally up with photographs of them at the actual scene of the atrocities.
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
I liked on that hour with Prigozhin, where he mentions the use of tactical nukes with the off the cuff remark, well that depends upon if it would work, judging by the way we have stored everything else.
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- 2014 & 2015 in Ukraine:
Cluster munitions were used by both sides to the conflict in January and February 2015. An OSCE mission documented use by Ukrainian government forces in Luhansk city in late January 2015, while Ukrainian government forces had already used cluster munitions in Donetsk city in October 2014. In August 2014, remnants of cluster munitions were documented in territory controlled by Ukrainian government forces and in territory controlled by armed insurgents. As early as July 2014, evidence indicated cluster munitions had been used.
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People here have talked about ground burst bomblets, I can't say for sure, but I doubt there is such a thing.
Certainly is such a thing! BL755 bomblets deployed stabilising fins at the rear after deployment, together with a piezo-electric detonator on a short spring on the front of the bomblet. This det fired the shaped charge on contact with the target (or ground) which fired a plasma jet through any armour. The bang also burst the steel “cone” into anti-personnel shrapnel. Nice!
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Certainly is such a thing! BL755 bomblets deployed stabilising fins at the rear after deployment, together with a piezo-electric detonator on a short spring on the front of the bomblet. This det fired the shaped charge on contact with the target (or ground) which fired a plasma jet through any armour. The bang also burst the steel “cone” into anti-personnel shrapnel. Nice!
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I'm all in favour for a general ban on cluster bombs. However, if one side uses them then, for me, moral high ground goes out the window. For that reason I fully support the use of such weapons against the Russian scum!
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I am more in favour of using cluster bombs on the targets they are intended for, rather than hapless civilians, on either side.
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‘It’s simple and cheap’: the volunteers making Ukraine’s Trembita bomb
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-trembita-bomb
Best of all for Ukraine’s armed forces, the Trembita is cheap. It costs about $3,000 (£2,300) to build the rocket and another $7,000 to equip it with a modern navigation system. The price is a fraction of the cost of Russia’s hypersonic and cruise missiles, Kinzhal and Kalibr, estimated to cost $1m to $2m each. Moscow has used dozens of them in regular attacks on Ukrainian cities, including Kyiv.
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One wonders how accurate it will be? Comparing it with Kinzhal or Kalibr is a bit disingenuous, more equivalent to a Shahed or V-1 I would thought, down to the terror effect.
Goes without saying. I'm referring to military targets of course. I don't think that the Ukrainian forces would target civilians. Only the Russians do that!
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The motor, a pulse jet, is crude garage-workshop technology, fuel inefficient but loud enough to impress the heck out of those on the recieving end. It should also be powerful enough to loft a useful payload. If coupled with a modern GPS based smart guidance there's no reason it shouldn't fall into a 10m accuracy range I suppose. Mass producing those could be a very handy addition for taking out buildings, troop or ordinance concentrations etc. Nice idea, I hope it works.