Fate of RAF Scampton
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I’m with Downsizer on this. We’re all either ex military on here or have a keen interest in military matters. We obviously care about our old bases and squadrons (and dogs!). We can’t honestly expect the public to get overly excited about the remains of a long-dead dog and the crumbly old buildings surrounding the grave site. They don’t even care about the people currently serving let alone those that served 80 years ago.
I think there are better things to get excited over. And yes I understand that this could be viewed as symptomatic of a wider malaise. But if you want public support try whipping up a frenzy about current pay and living conditions. At least that will benefit those that currently serve. Maybe then they might understand and care a little more about history and traditions.
BV
I think there are better things to get excited over. And yes I understand that this could be viewed as symptomatic of a wider malaise. But if you want public support try whipping up a frenzy about current pay and living conditions. At least that will benefit those that currently serve. Maybe then they might understand and care a little more about history and traditions.
BV
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"They don’t even care about the people currently serving let alone those that served 80 years ago."
Well they do - maybe for 5 minutes as they butter their toast and read the screaming headline in the Mail - then they forget
Well they do - maybe for 5 minutes as they butter their toast and read the screaming headline in the Mail - then they forget
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I blame all this fuss on that damned person that ran it over, no wonder he didn't stop, if he knew the stink it would cause he was wise not too..
If it is listed, I do wonder how they removed the name from the gravestone 3 years ago and did they apply for planning permission to change it?
The application , Planning Application No 146711 , was made on the 9 May 2023 and the location given was hangar (sic) 2 , RAF Scampton .
I have a copy of the application but don't have the facility/nous to post it , however it states ;
"Listed building consent to remove the railings , excavate and remove the grave marker and any zooarchaeological material for relocation ."
I have a copy of the application but don't have the facility/nous to post it , however it states ;
"Listed building consent to remove the railings , excavate and remove the grave marker and any zooarchaeological material for relocation ."
A spokesman for the RAF said: “As part of an ongoing review of its historical assets, the RAF have replaced the gravestone of Guy Gibson’s dog at RAF Scampton. The new gravestone tells the story of Guy Gibson’s dog, but its name has been removed.”
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Course in the normal course of events the pongos would have moved in and taken it over thereby ruining it as an airfield; even derelict RAF accommodation is better than the pongos normally get allocated.
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I’m with Downsizer on this. We’re all either ex military on here or have a keen interest in military matters. We obviously care about our old bases and squadrons (and dogs!). We can’t honestly expect the public to get overly excited about the remains of a long-dead dog and the crumbly old buildings surrounding the grave site. They don’t even care about the people currently serving let alone those that served 80 years ago.
I think there are better things to get excited over. And yes I understand that this could be viewed as symptomatic of a wider malaise. But if you want public support try whipping up a frenzy about current pay and living conditions. At least that will benefit those that currently serve. Maybe then they might understand and care a little more about history and traditions.
BV
I think there are better things to get excited over. And yes I understand that this could be viewed as symptomatic of a wider malaise. But if you want public support try whipping up a frenzy about current pay and living conditions. At least that will benefit those that currently serve. Maybe then they might understand and care a little more about history and traditions.
BV
I also consider the proposal for a 7000 acre solar farm in the same area which will cover Grade 1,2&3 farmland another egregious example of the contempt with which this government holds its rural citizens. Right or wrong, it was these people that got Brexit over the line and this is the thanks they get. Denied a huge local investment and certainly forced into accepting these damned eyesore solar panels (public enquiry? Don’t make me laugh).
No solar panels in the Home Counties though. None in the brownfield sites.
I can’t believe it has come to me writing this but I feel utterly disenfranchised. Which major political party actually cares for the rural constituencies?
Hey ho. What do I know?
What about the £300m investment that WLDC has secured? Lincolnshire is one of Englands poorest counties and this investment would be huge for the local area.
I also consider the proposal for a 7000 acre solar farm in the same area which will cover Grade 1,2&3 farmland another egregious example of the contempt with which this government holds its rural citizens. Right or wrong, it was these people that got Brexit over the line and this is the thanks they get. Denied a huge local investment and certainly forced into accepting these damned eyesore solar panels (public enquiry? Don’t make me laugh).
No solar panels in the Home Counties though. None in the brownfield sites.
I can’t believe it has come to me writing this but I feel utterly disenfranchised. Which major political party actually cares for the rural constituencies?
Hey ho. What do I know?
I also consider the proposal for a 7000 acre solar farm in the same area which will cover Grade 1,2&3 farmland another egregious example of the contempt with which this government holds its rural citizens. Right or wrong, it was these people that got Brexit over the line and this is the thanks they get. Denied a huge local investment and certainly forced into accepting these damned eyesore solar panels (public enquiry? Don’t make me laugh).
No solar panels in the Home Counties though. None in the brownfield sites.
I can’t believe it has come to me writing this but I feel utterly disenfranchised. Which major political party actually cares for the rural constituencies?
Hey ho. What do I know?
As for the 7000 acres, there have been no compulsory purchases, it's up to the land owners what they do with it, a lot of the top grade farm land round here is used to grow Willow, Miscanthus, Maize and other crops that go straight to bio digesters and power stations to provide renewable energy, so the loss of food production isn't much of an argument. People just don't like the look of them, fair enough, but until we have cheap, renewable and clean energy from other sources we're stuck with them.
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I'm Lincolnshire born and bred, all my family are farmers in the Scampton/7000 acres area and I'm currently based here, so I can sympathise to an extent. But, most of the complaints about the change of use of Scampton and the 7000 acres are pure Nimbyism. The lost opportunities and cancellation of the £300m investment is the real tragedy here, the constant whining about 'loss of heritage' 'forgetting our brave boy's' 'how can they let such a historic base house immigrants ' etc etc is becoming boring. There are hundreds of old air bases, Scampton is just one more.
As for the 7000 acres, there have been no compulsory purchases, it's up to the land owners what they do with it, a lot of the top grade farm land round here is used to grow Willow, Miscanthus, Maize and other crops that go straight to bio digesters and power stations to provide renewable energy, so the loss of food production isn't much of an argument. People just don't like the look of them, fair enough, but until we have cheap, renewable and clean energy from other sources we're stuck with them.
As for the 7000 acres, there have been no compulsory purchases, it's up to the land owners what they do with it, a lot of the top grade farm land round here is used to grow Willow, Miscanthus, Maize and other crops that go straight to bio digesters and power stations to provide renewable energy, so the loss of food production isn't much of an argument. People just don't like the look of them, fair enough, but until we have cheap, renewable and clean energy from other sources we're stuck with them.
It’s not about the bl**dy dog. And I am ex- six foot.
I rest.
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"Which major political party actually cares for the rural constituencies?"
None - almost everyone with a vote lives in or near the cities. There are 92,000 farmers in the UK - that's1.4% of the populationr. 300,000 people work on farms, 2.4 million in food and accommodation.
Its the smallest of all the main employer groups
None - almost everyone with a vote lives in or near the cities. There are 92,000 farmers in the UK - that's1.4% of the populationr. 300,000 people work on farms, 2.4 million in food and accommodation.
Its the smallest of all the main employer groups
So, decision in the High Court tomorrow morning then. Here's to you RAF Scampton and I sincerely hope things go as they should - legally.
Gov's so called "Emergency powers of acquistion". What a load of rot.
Gov's so called "Emergency powers of acquistion". What a load of rot.
According to the 'Mail Online', portakabins have been appearing on the 'runway' at Scampton in the last few days.
OK we all know it's probably not 'the runway' but that's all the Mail will know about airfields.
OK we all know it's probably not 'the runway' but that's all the Mail will know about airfields.
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Apart form my previous comments re why should we be accommodating them in the first place, the other thing I see is the knock on effect.
The loss of a £300 million programme to bring wealth and tourism to the area, building on the site and creating something of worth that future generations can enjoy and take pride in. I could accept it if Scampton was a run down airfield with no viable future, but this is not the case.
Hotels the country over turned into glorified doss houses by their owners in search of a quick buck, while making the hotel staff redundant adding to the unemployed and the knock on effects of that, plus the damage to the tourism industry as hotel after hotel closes to house these immigrants.
NO ONE should lose their lively hood and accommodation (which is often tied to hotel workers) to house a migrant who is or has not paid into the system.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/20...rrive-at-hotel
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...ion-outrageous
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/up-40-staff-yorkshire-hotel-25546311
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The loss of a £300 million programme to bring wealth and tourism to the area, building on the site and creating something of worth that future generations can enjoy and take pride in. I could accept it if Scampton was a run down airfield with no viable future, but this is not the case.
Hotels the country over turned into glorified doss houses by their owners in search of a quick buck, while making the hotel staff redundant adding to the unemployed and the knock on effects of that, plus the damage to the tourism industry as hotel after hotel closes to house these immigrants.
NO ONE should lose their lively hood and accommodation (which is often tied to hotel workers) to house a migrant who is or has not paid into the system.
https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/20...rrive-at-hotel
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...ion-outrageous
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/up-40-staff-yorkshire-hotel-25546311
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Well that’s that then.
Asylum seekers plan for disused RAF stations lawful, judge rules https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-67637439
I guess the fate of Scampton is pretty much sealed then.
BV
I guess the fate of Scampton is pretty much sealed then.
BV
I have no special affinity to Scampton, nor 617 and certainly not the RAFAT but it saddens my heart that this particular airfield is destined for use as an asylum centre. There were plans, however fanciful, to turn the Base into a living heritage centre, now apparently no more.
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I hope you were never a pilot as you clearly cannot tell right from left if you think the current government is radical left wing .
I am not one for glorification of things that happened a long time ago but Scampton would seem a poor choice when there are many other anonymous military bases around . But then the advisers to these people would probably think picking Scampton is a great idea to excite the Express and Mail loonies to deflect attention away from whatever other cock up or criminality they're involved with this week.
Even if it is no longer an airfield ,and it doesnt need to be, but some form of preservation of the Ops and crew rooms at Scampton would seem a reasonable reminder/memorial of the past in the same way that Biggin Hill is the poster boy for the Battle of Britain.
I hope you were never a pilot as you clearly cannot tell right from left if you think the current government is radical left wing .
I am not one for glorification of things that happened a long time ago but Scampton would seem a poor choice when there are many other anonymous military bases around . But then the advisers to these people would probably think picking Scampton is a great idea to excite the Express and Mail loonies to deflect attention away from whatever other cock up or criminality they're involved with this week.
Even if it is no longer an airfield ,and it doesnt need to be, but some form of preservation of the Ops and crew rooms at Scampton would seem a reasonable reminder/memorial of the past in the same way that Biggin Hill is the poster boy for the Battle of Britain.
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At least the Uxbridge bunker survived, while the rest of the Station was demolished.
Watching the news report earlier, I cannot help but wonder how many of the protesters around the station used to complain just as bitterly about the noise when the RAF was in residence, and about the people who used to come and watch RAFAT practice. It reminds me many years ago of when Land's End Airport first mooted the idea of tarmacing its grass runways; cue lots of protests about a new Heathrow, until at a public meeting the idea of using it as a transit camp for travellers was mentioned if the airfield had to close. It caused quite a turn around in local opinion, seemingly.
It was notable that the reasons why Scampton is unsuitable are EXACTLY the same as why the Bibbi Stockholm should not have been moored in Portland. Exactly. With the addition of the heritage and history of the site, which probably few of them knew about or even cared for before the use of it as an immigration camp was mentioned for the first time.
It was notable that the reasons why Scampton is unsuitable are EXACTLY the same as why the Bibbi Stockholm should not have been moored in Portland. Exactly. With the addition of the heritage and history of the site, which probably few of them knew about or even cared for before the use of it as an immigration camp was mentioned for the first time.
looks like Scampton IS going to be home to 2000 young male asylum seekers as a temporary home whilst awaiting deportation.
What will they do ?
The area where the portacabins are located is bleak - totally exposed to winds whistling across the airfield - I know I spent weeks on QRA in a portacabin there in the Vulcan days.
Will they be free to roam? If not It will be easy to escape through the flimsy wire!
If given freedom they will head straight to Lincoln ( cathedral quarter first ) - 5 miles-and what will they do there - presumably with little or no money ?
Temptation must be to turn to crime etc or to escape before deportation?
Will the police, hospitals etc be able to cope?
The 300 million investment which could transform a vastly improved Lincoln - with its amazing university - will inevitably be cancelled ? Sir ‘Edward ‘Leigh is hoping for a comprimise solution which I cannot see being workable?
All the potential for a total disaster!
Can anyone come up with a brighter outlook?
What will they do ?
The area where the portacabins are located is bleak - totally exposed to winds whistling across the airfield - I know I spent weeks on QRA in a portacabin there in the Vulcan days.
Will they be free to roam? If not It will be easy to escape through the flimsy wire!
If given freedom they will head straight to Lincoln ( cathedral quarter first ) - 5 miles-and what will they do there - presumably with little or no money ?
Temptation must be to turn to crime etc or to escape before deportation?
Will the police, hospitals etc be able to cope?
The 300 million investment which could transform a vastly improved Lincoln - with its amazing university - will inevitably be cancelled ? Sir ‘Edward ‘Leigh is hoping for a comprimise solution which I cannot see being workable?
All the potential for a total disaster!
Can anyone come up with a brighter outlook?
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