Fate of RAF Scampton
Simple fix, remove their Hotel accomodation full stop and turf them out onto the streets. ( all bar any Ukrainians or Afghanistanis that helped us.)
After all that is how they live in the likes of Calais, no wonder they wish to cross over to the UK, hotel, food and allowances. Before turfing them out scan their eyes and finger print them etc, so they can be picked up and deported as and when.
After all that is how they live in the likes of Calais, no wonder they wish to cross over to the UK, hotel, food and allowances. Before turfing them out scan their eyes and finger print them etc, so they can be picked up and deported as and when.
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I see the petition with regards to Scampton is at almost 50,000 signatories. Shame that the petition in itself, titled "Stop RAF Scampton Being Turned into a Detention Camp" is grossly misleading. The guests will in no way shape or form be detained. That fact was clarified during discussions regarding Linton On Ouse when it became clear they would be free to roam and the Home Office imposed 10pm "curfew" amounted to nothing more than a welfare call to those who were adrift.
I wish Scampton and Weathersfield every success in blocking Home Office steam-roller tactics. Both sites are wholly unsuitable and if ithey are like Linton - even the refugee charities and welfare organisations said so!
On 28/29 March the Home Office clarified the situation. Initially asylum seekers will not be detained at Scampton, they will be housed in accordance with current Home Office guidelines. Once the Illegal Migration Bill passes into law Scampton will be used to detain asylum seekers prior to their return to their country of origin or their removal to a third country (Rwanda).
So no the title is far from misleading. Whilst there are similarities with Linton it appears the Home Office have ‘learnt lessons’ and Scampton is being treated very differently.
Anyway sign the petition, the campaign continues.
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MOD plods are being turfed out of their training base (Wethersfield - no 'a') along with their families; where they're going nobody seems to know.
SWB the petition was set up just after the Illegal Migration Bill was announced by the Govt. The proposed use of Scampton and Wethersfield was directly linked to the Bill by the Govt. The Bill makes provision for asylum seekers to be detained (p.13 S. 11 of the Bill) in fact it places a requirement on the Home Secretary to detain and remove asylum seekers within 28 days. Attempts to clarify the situation with the Home Office were stonewalled. The petition was named based on the information provided at the time. (15 March)
On 28/29 March the Home Office clarified the situation. Initially asylum seekers will not be detained at Scampton, they will be housed in accordance with current Home Office guidelines. Once the Illegal Migration Bill passes into law Scampton will be used to detain asylum seekers prior to their return to their country of origin or their removal to a third country (Rwanda).
So no the title is far from misleading. Whilst there are similarities with Linton it appears the Home Office have ‘learnt lessons’ and Scampton is being treated very differently.
Anyway sign the petition, the campaign continues.
On 28/29 March the Home Office clarified the situation. Initially asylum seekers will not be detained at Scampton, they will be housed in accordance with current Home Office guidelines. Once the Illegal Migration Bill passes into law Scampton will be used to detain asylum seekers prior to their return to their country of origin or their removal to a third country (Rwanda).
So no the title is far from misleading. Whilst there are similarities with Linton it appears the Home Office have ‘learnt lessons’ and Scampton is being treated very differently.
Anyway sign the petition, the campaign continues.
Just a word of caution ... don't believe a single thing the Home Office say. I know we were constantly lied to at Linton.
Has anyone seen what the security proposals will be? Inmates promising to stay in their rooms whilst awaiting the next phase of their journey.
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Unfortunately the Home Office are being very cagey. They are making vague promises via intermediaries and so far no one has spoken to the community. Everything is being disseminated via vague briefing notes.
We are in touch with the Linton campaign team who have provided invaluable advice.
We are in touch with the Linton campaign team who have provided invaluable advice.
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Unfortunately the Home Office are being very cagey. They are making vague promises via intermediaries and so far no one has spoken to the community. Everything is being disseminated via vague briefing notes.
We are in touch with the Linton campaign team who have provided invaluable advice.
We are in touch with the Linton campaign team who have provided invaluable advice.
The government "factsheets" are here... https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ion-factsheets
Note Scampton is "up to 2000 occupants"
And "free to roam" as I said before.
Hence detention remains a misleading word.
Yes we got the fact sheets thanks. Like I said once the legislation passes into law Scampton will detain people and as it’s retrospective legislation those who are originally housed there will then become detainees. Not sure how that will work out!
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of the actual state of the infrastructure, barrack blocks etc. at Scampton?
What would be the cost of restoring them to an adequate standard for housing these illegal immigrants?
Aren't there any barracks in London or the South East which could be used instead?
What would be the cost of restoring them to an adequate standard for housing these illegal immigrants?
Aren't there any barracks in London or the South East which could be used instead?
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Does anyone have first hand knowledge of the actual state of the infrastructure, barrack blocks etc. at Scampton?
What would be the cost of restoring them to an adequate standard for housing these illegal immigrants?
Aren't there any barracks in London or the South East which could be used instead?
What would be the cost of restoring them to an adequate standard for housing these illegal immigrants?
Aren't there any barracks in London or the South East which could be used instead?
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The Mess is currently boarded up but again looks sound. It requires a full asbestos assessment prior to any work. Scampton Holdings planned to turn it into a hotel as part of their regeneration plan. As it does not require demolishing and rebuilding this was part of the initial phase. Provision had been made to incorporate the heritage of the building in the refurb.
Asbestos is going to be problematic. Fine if undisturbed but any renovation to the buildings is going to get very costly, very quickly.
A bit hazy now, but I seem to recall one issue at Linton was the electrical supply to the base and what the HO said they would need. In the order of 10-15 megawatts!
Cost to get the required level was prohibitive and estimated by the grid to be a 3 to 5 year timescale.
Another stopper was the isolated location was against HO own guidelines in that centres should be in urban environments where integration would be much easier and not overburden local resources etc.
A bit hazy now, but I seem to recall one issue at Linton was the electrical supply to the base and what the HO said they would need. In the order of 10-15 megawatts!
Cost to get the required level was prohibitive and estimated by the grid to be a 3 to 5 year timescale.
Another stopper was the isolated location was against HO own guidelines in that centres should be in urban environments where integration would be much easier and not overburden local resources etc.
I do have a dog in the ring as I live in Scampton Village and was based there from 1970 - 80. In addition to the possible asbestos and other problems, nobody seems to have mentioned the abandoned fuel pipelines that crisscross the airfield, as I remember it the original plan was to have a central storage area and a pipe network leading to each pan. It didn't work and bowsers were reintroduced. The network was not decommissioned properly and just abandoned, so, to my way of thinking there is a rusting, fuel contaminated network still nestling beneath the ground.
I do not know how long it lasts but during the Blue Steel days, there were many HTP offloads carried out straight onto the grass. There is also the old SSA.
I am not 100% sure on this next one but I have heard that the men held at Scampton will have had their applications refused and will be awaiting deportation and that the active runway is one of the reasons why Scampton was chosen. I am aware that the runway was refurbished a few years ago but only to allow the Red's hawks to operate, nothing heavier. Standing by to be corrected.
I do not know how long it lasts but during the Blue Steel days, there were many HTP offloads carried out straight onto the grass. There is also the old SSA.
I am not 100% sure on this next one but I have heard that the men held at Scampton will have had their applications refused and will be awaiting deportation and that the active runway is one of the reasons why Scampton was chosen. I am aware that the runway was refurbished a few years ago but only to allow the Red's hawks to operate, nothing heavier. Standing by to be corrected.
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I do have a dog in the ring as I live in Scampton Village and was based there from 1970 - 80. In addition to the possible asbestos and other problems, nobody seems to have mentioned the abandoned fuel pipelines that crisscross the airfield, as I remember it the original plan was to have a central storage area and a pipe network leading to each pan. It didn't work and bowsers were reintroduced. The network was not decommissioned properly and just abandoned, so, to my way of thinking there is a rusting, fuel contaminated network still nestling beneath the ground.
I do not know how long it lasts but during the Blue Steel days, there were many HTP offloads carried out straight onto the grass. There is also the old SSA.
I am not 100% sure on this next one but I have heard that the men held at Scampton will have had their applications refused and will be awaiting deportation and that the active runway is one of the reasons why Scampton was chosen. I am aware that the runway was refurbished a few years ago but only to allow the Red's hawks to operate, nothing heavier. Standing by to be corrected.
I do not know how long it lasts but during the Blue Steel days, there were many HTP offloads carried out straight onto the grass. There is also the old SSA.
I am not 100% sure on this next one but I have heard that the men held at Scampton will have had their applications refused and will be awaiting deportation and that the active runway is one of the reasons why Scampton was chosen. I am aware that the runway was refurbished a few years ago but only to allow the Red's hawks to operate, nothing heavier. Standing by to be corrected.
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