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Old 29th Nov 2021, 17:41
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And looks like, as rumoured, his/her parachute did snag on the ramp end
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 19:00
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Salute!

Holy smoley, batman!
I wanna see what the ejectee says about when deciding to get outta there. Looks like waited to clear the ramp, or couldn't tell if the motor was full power or a failed check speed.
Regardless, pretty hairy.

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Old 29th Nov 2021, 19:09
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Salute!

Holy smoley, batman!
I wanna see what the ejectee says about when deciding to get outta there. Looks like waited to clear the ramp, or couldn't tell if the motor was full power or a failed check speed.
Regardless, pretty hairy.

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Do you think the pilot ejected, or was ejected? Genuine question, I understand the F-35 has an auto eject function under some parameters (falling off the ramp would be one, I expect).
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
Do you think the pilot ejected, or was ejected? Genuine question, I understand the F-35 has an auto eject function under some parameters (falling off the ramp would be one, I expect).
Low altitude and failure of the lift fan triggers it IIRC.

Not sure if the fan needs to be in pieces already or just not turning fast enough/no lift would do to tick that box.
Presumably once the wheels are off the carrier the Low altitude box is also ticked . .
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 21:10
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Telegraph headline,

British F-35 crashed into sea after failing to take off, leaked video reveals.


Well no sh1t sherlock!
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 21:50
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Ouch and double ouch.

So will the inquiry into the leaked video take precedence over the loss of the aircraft. Someone is in deep doo-dah.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 21:51
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Originally Posted by cynicalint View Post
Telegraph headline,

British F-35 crashed into sea after failing to take off, leaked video reveals.


Well no sh1t sherlock!
Wasn't it required reading of the Telegraph to progress in OACS? Why I have no idea as it is so out of tune with the real world.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 21:53
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
Ouch and double ouch.

So will the inquiry into the leaked video take precedence over the loss of the aircraft. Someone is in deep doo-dah.
That should have been impounded as evidence so Capt QE is at fault.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:04
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[QUOTE[color=#000000]Wasn't it required reading of the Telegraph to progress in OACS? Why I have no idea as it is so out of tune with the real world.][/QUOTE]

No, not really, I used to recommend candidates to read any broadsheet in preference to tabloids, tabloids in preference to social media. The candidates opinion was the most important, as long as the view could be backed up and justified, then the paper read made no difference.
That headline makes as much sense as the very early crash report that blamed "A lack of lift in the air" for an incompetent pilot. Though I am most certainly NOT suggesting pilot incompetence here; more like journalistic incompetence.!
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:27
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Red face

Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
And looks like, as rumoured, his/her parachute did snag on the ramp end

Seems like the parachute canopy was hung out to dry quite quickly…

one can only hope that the scrote who leaked the video to the meejah, is hung out to dry as well.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:30
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Quite so.
My wife rations me to one expletive when I read D Tel online each post-breakfast. It is never long in coming. The standard of journalism is appalling, and it appears that sub-editors and proof-readers no longer exist.
One expletive allowed, but loud. It usually involves gonads.

Back to basics, one imagines that a fair proportion of the fleet is condemned to loiter in the area, much as the blockade of the French coastal ports in Nelson's time.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:41
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Originally Posted by cynicalint View Post
[QUOTE[color=#000000]Wasn't it required reading of the Telegraph to progress in OACS? Why I have no idea as it is so out of tune with the real world.]
No, not really, I used to recommend candidates to read any broadsheet in preference to tabloids, tabloids in preference to social media. The candidates opinion was the most important, as long as the view could be backed up and justified, then the paper read made no difference.
That headline makes as much sense as the very early crash report that blamed "A lack of lift in the air" for an incompetent pilot. Though I am most certainly NOT suggesting pilot incompetence here; more like journalistic incompetence.![/QUOTE]

I did like the i newspaper. Not a board sheet, but it told you the news in factual format. You read the Telegraph and it is so bias in editoral outlook to be corrupt. One can say the same about the Gaurdian (Not Rondot's favourite journal but it avoided Viz material being painted on his aircraft!) I miss a news paper that just tells me facts without fiction, especially Paul Darce / Boris levels (the Spectator is the worst lying rag on the planet). I know one facebook group on aircraft is fact as fiction is editorally removed if bull is mentioned.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:45
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The jet looked like it barely had enough thrust to roll up the ramp - you can see it slow slightly as it hit the incline.
Surely temperatures and pressures would be showing not enough power to commit to take off...
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:46
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Video (now cropped) - one may see probably bits from ejection seat plopping on the centre-line of the ski jump. I guess/HOPE the pilot waited for QE to stop before releasing himself from 'hung up'? chute?

UK F-35B Pilot Ejects Off QE Ski Jump Rescued OK 17 Nov 2021


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Old 29th Nov 2021, 22:55
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Originally Posted by tartare View Post
The jet looked like it barely had enough thrust to roll up the ramp - you can see it slow slightly as it hit the incline.
Surely temperatures and pressures would be showing not enough power to commit to take off...
What pressure is ever mentioned to the pilot bar a civvy pilot on a Roller powered civvy type with EPR? N2/N1 RPM, Temp and Fuel Flow is the only info shown on any gauge / screen or other military/civvy types? All 3 of my ratings do not mention EPR at all (well the one jet doesn't). No military type I know mentions pressures.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 23:02
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How on earth did the F35 driver not detect that huge lack of acceleration?
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 23:23
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Originally Posted by H Peacock View Post
How on earth did the F35 driver not detect that huge lack of acceleration?
Sims don't simulate thrust.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 23:29
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Originally Posted by Cat Techie View Post
What pressure is ever mentioned to the pilot bar a civvy pilot on a Roller powered civvy type with EPR? N2/N1 RPM, Temp and Fuel Flow is the only info shown on any gauge / screen or other military/civvy types? All 3 of my ratings do not mention EPR at all (well the one jet doesn't). No military type I know mentions pressures.
Errr low oil pressure warning lights, low fuel pressure warning lights and hydraulic system pressure? It does not need to be a gauge at all.
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 23:36
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Errr low oil pressure warning lights, low fuel pressure warning lights and hydraulic system pressure? It does not need to be a gauge at all.
They are distractions to the wind down. Secondary considerations. I do engine runs in work and pleasure. The gauges are main. You run a gas turbine recently? Warning and Caution lights would have been coming on as he banged out!
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Old 29th Nov 2021, 23:37
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY View Post
Sims don't simulate thrust.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
Amen to that. Cutting of live flying and training, moving more and more to the sim has a human element. I'll be surprised if this wasn't a factor.
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