UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'
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https://www.defensenews.com/digital-...pest-test-rig/
Leonardo fine-tunes its 757 jetliner converted into a Tempest test rig
ROME – Leonardo has announced more details of the 757 test bed aircraft it will use in the Tempest program, including a 28 ton payload for equipment and six locations for sensors.
Dubbed Excalibur, the aircraft has been remodeled with a pointed nose to mimic the likely Tempest design by Leonardo’s partner, UK firm 2Excel…….
Leonardo fine-tunes its 757 jetliner converted into a Tempest test rig
ROME – Leonardo has announced more details of the 757 test bed aircraft it will use in the Tempest program, including a 28 ton payload for equipment and six locations for sensors.
Dubbed Excalibur, the aircraft has been remodeled with a pointed nose to mimic the likely Tempest design by Leonardo’s partner, UK firm 2Excel…….
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According to the CAA online register the aircraft (G-BYAW) was "permanently withdrawn from use" on 17 October. That sounds a lot like "scrapped" to me, unless there is a plan to operate it on the military register...
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Italy defence minister demands equal weight in UK, Japan fighter partnership
Trouble ahead?
19/12/2022
ROME (Reuters) - Italy must have equal treatment in a partnership with Britain and Japan to develop a new jet fighter, Rome's defence minister told Reuters, as talks proceed to define the roles each country has in the ambitious project.
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Defence Minister Guido Crosetto, a co-founder of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy party, said Rome would make a final decision on how much to invest in the multi-billion-dollar project after more details had been defined.
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"Italy can only continue along this path if it has the same weight as Japan and Britain on technology, research and later, if it comes to that, on the results," he said in an interview, adding that he wanted a "33%-33%-33%" breakdown.
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Crosetto said there should be no bar on joining forces with the rival European programme, adding that the GCAP should also aim to find new partners, especially within Europe.
"I think the challenge is to accelerate significantly the research and technology part and then become attractive to other nations in the next two or three years," he said.
Trouble ahead?
19/12/2022
ROME (Reuters) - Italy must have equal treatment in a partnership with Britain and Japan to develop a new jet fighter, Rome's defence minister told Reuters, as talks proceed to define the roles each country has in the ambitious project.
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Defence Minister Guido Crosetto, a co-founder of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy party, said Rome would make a final decision on how much to invest in the multi-billion-dollar project after more details had been defined.
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"Italy can only continue along this path if it has the same weight as Japan and Britain on technology, research and later, if it comes to that, on the results," he said in an interview, adding that he wanted a "33%-33%-33%" breakdown.
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Crosetto said there should be no bar on joining forces with the rival European programme, adding that the GCAP should also aim to find new partners, especially within Europe.
"I think the challenge is to accelerate significantly the research and technology part and then become attractive to other nations in the next two or three years," he said.
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After 50+ years of international programmes you'd have thought we could do without all the posturing that goes with them. As Buster says you get what you pay for (unless France is involved)
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According to the CAA online register the aircraft (G-BYAW) was "permanently withdrawn from use" on 17 October. That sounds a lot like "scrapped" to me, unless there is a plan to operate it on the military register...
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Saudis intend to join FCAS:
We signed a declaration of KSA’s intent to participate in the Future Combat Air System program (FCAS) which will strengthen KSA’s defensive capabilities through a comprehensive partnership that includes joint production and R&D projects for future air systems.
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Latest GCAP / TEMPEST mock up. The wing has changed the most from earlier TEMPEST concepts, as result of merging UK and Japanese work.
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https://i.ibb.co/tBM1f7G/DSC7364.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3fhB7p1/gbyaw.jpg
I wonder if it ever was the intended testbed
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Does the team think that this technology transfer is compatible with the recent brokering of improved relations between Saudi and Iran by China?
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The project might not be, but then G-BYAW isn't the airframe to be used - that was scrapped last October as mentioned - big image, so just a link
https://i.ibb.co/tBM1f7G/DSC7364.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3fhB7p1/gbyaw.jpg
I wonder if it ever was the intended testbed
https://i.ibb.co/tBM1f7G/DSC7364.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3fhB7p1/gbyaw.jpg
I wonder if it ever was the intended testbed
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I know this won't be popular, but believe it's important for the UK to be realistic about the (much higher than acknowledged) cost of a competitive #GCAP fighter, to reduce risks:
https://t.co/2aer9BIx5n
The Global Combat Air Programme is Writing Cheques that Defence Can’t Cash
https://t.co/2aer9BIx5n
The Global Combat Air Programme is Writing Cheques that Defence Can’t Cash
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"the development and procurement of Typhoon cost the four core partner states somewhere in the region of £100 billion in FY 2022/23 terms. This cost estimate excludes weapons development, fleet operating costs, infrastructure and personnel training.
By contrast, for the entire GCAP system-of-systems, the UK has so far committed to spending £2 billion during the initial research and scoping phases, and Italy has only committed to €1.8 billion, with an ambition to ultimately spend another €2 billion by 2034. Recent UK announcements of £250 million and £656 million funding tranches have only covered the contract allocation of the previously committed £2 billion, not new money. Perhaps more worryingly, the most up-to-date public version of the MoD’s Major Projects Portfolio lists the total estimated programme cost up to the forecast retirement date of 2070 at just £10.69 billion. This total would include through-life ownership, mid-life upgrade and operating costs, so a significant portion of it would not be allocated to funding initial development and acquisition."
By contrast, for the entire GCAP system-of-systems, the UK has so far committed to spending £2 billion during the initial research and scoping phases, and Italy has only committed to €1.8 billion, with an ambition to ultimately spend another €2 billion by 2034. Recent UK announcements of £250 million and £656 million funding tranches have only covered the contract allocation of the previously committed £2 billion, not new money. Perhaps more worryingly, the most up-to-date public version of the MoD’s Major Projects Portfolio lists the total estimated programme cost up to the forecast retirement date of 2070 at just £10.69 billion. This total would include through-life ownership, mid-life upgrade and operating costs, so a significant portion of it would not be allocated to funding initial development and acquisition."