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UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'

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Old 12th September 2023 | 11:45
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Those air intakes remind me of the F-105….



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Old 12th September 2023 | 12:12
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📢 BREAKING: UK, Japan, and Italy's defence industry leaders have reached a trilateral Collaboration Agreement for the Global Combat Air Programme aiming to deliver the next-gen combat aircraft by 2035. Also, here's a new image.


​​​​​​ Great news as far as I am concerned. Now let's see how it progresses.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 12:17
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lots of technology demonstrator stuff but I doubt we'll see a real aircarft......................
Well I don't agree with you about that. And hopefully this will re establish a European fighter jet capability which was badly affected by the F35 programme.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 18:48
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Well I don't agree with you about that. And hopefully this will re establish a European fighter jet capability which was badly affected by the F35 programme.
Typhoon, Rafale and Grippen totally escape you did they?

And the UK is still European, and a vital and key part of F-35 conception, selection, design and production.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 18:54
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Typhoon, Rafale and Grippen totally escape you did they?

And the UK is still European, and a vital and key part of F-35 conception, selection, design and production.
No of course not. And no need to be so caustic was there. But Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen are not 5th generation. And F35 is outselling these European fighter jets in Europe as well as the rest of the world. And yes of course I am aware that the UK is involved in F35. But as a supplier.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 18:55
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No of course not. And no need to be so caustic was there. But Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen are not 5th generation. And F35 is outselling these European fighter jets in Europe as well as the rest of the world. And yes of course I am aware that the UK is involved in F35. But as a supplier.
NOT as a supplier, as a Tier One partner. Fully involved in selecting suppliers.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 19:37
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NOT as a supplier, as a Tier One partner. Fully involved in selecting suppliers.
​​​​​​Hair splitting really. What percentage of each aircraft is the UK/BAE contribution. Is it 15% on average.
But if you think that European industry has not been adversely affected by F35, up to you. But the 2 6th generation European programmes might disagree.
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Old 12th September 2023 | 22:30
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NOT as a supplier, as a Tier One partner. Fully involved in selecting suppliers.
and yet they still cant get meteor integrated in the aircraft. Tier one partner is just a supplier. Italy has a much greater footprint in the F-35 than the UK
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Old 13th September 2023 | 00:50
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Why are the intakes angled inwards so sharply?
RCS?
Or is there some sort of airflow, vortex benefit?
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Old 13th September 2023 | 03:29
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and yet they still cant get meteor integrated in the aircraft. Tier one partner is just a supplier. Italy has a much greater footprint in the F-35 than the UK
Yeah but no....the Italians certainly disagree with you rattman. Best estimates on workshare are about 15% Vs 4% respectively, and as mentioned above - tier one does not equal supplier. As an example, full participation in OT&E which is rather vital for combat air.

In November, deals were awarded to repair 65 of a possible 774 repairable items on the aircraft for the period 2021-2015, with 48 going to the UK, 14 to the Netherlands and three to Australia, making up eight percent of the total items to repair.


"Small Italian firms were excluded because the competition favored large companies," said Crosetto.


As it won the lion's share of contracts, the UK ministry of defense said in November that its F-35 maintenance site in Wales would consequently become "a global repair hub providing maintenance, repair, overhaul and upgrade services for F-35 avionic and aircraft components."
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017...oken-promises/

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Why are the intakes angled inwards so sharply?
RCS?
Or is there some sort of airflow, vortex benefit?
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/q...rchief-intakes

https://www.criticalpast.com/video/6...fin-air-intake

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divert...personic_inlet
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and yet they still cant get meteor integrated in the aircraft. Tier one partner is just a supplier. Italy has a much greater footprint in the F-35 than the UK
The F-35B lift fan and thrust vectoring system is designed and built in the UK by Rolls-Royce. Its VSTOL control system was developed from the UK's VAAC Harrier programme. Every F-35 is fitted with a Martin Baker ejection seat. Sounds like rather more than 'just a supplier' to me.
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Old 13th September 2023 | 09:28
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When it comes to designing a 6th Gen CTOL FJ expertise in designing the lift fan for a STOVL engine isn’t exactly top of the essential criteria.

Which is why RR is working away with MHI on a new engine including things such as E2SG, Leonardo on a next generation radar - without US partnership etc.

I think there is a general feeling in both Europe, Japan and elsewhere that we have lost our own expertise and become too dependent on US technology.
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Old 13th September 2023 | 11:39
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and yet they still cant get meteor integrated in the aircraft. Tier one partner is just a supplier. Italy has a much greater footprint in the F-35 than the UK
Wrong!

Tier one is much more than a mere supplier, and it started long before the F-35 was chosen as the JSF.
Just because the UK MoD won’t fund Meteor integration is nothing to do with the deep UK involvement in the F-35.
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I understood Italy (and assuming it gets FMS approval Greece) also want to integrate Meteor, and the slippage is due to changes in the software upgrade programme - am I wrong?
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Or could it be because Meteor isn't ready and there aren't any w/clipped fins?
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When it comes to designing a 6th Gen CTOL FJ expertise in designing the lift fan for a STOVL engine isn’t exactly top of the essential criteria.

Which is why RR is working away with MHI on a new engine including things such as E2SG, Leonardo on a next generation radar - without US partnership etc.

I think there is a general feeling in both Europe, Japan and elsewhere that we have lost our own expertise and become too dependent on US technology.
because the technology gets ever more expensive and the willingness to buy the eventual (expensive) kit decreases at the same time?

Most non-US countries are very rapidly heading towards Augustine's famous single fighterLaw (#16) - which he calculated would happen in 2054.....................
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Thank you - interesting.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
When it comes to designing a 6th Gen CTOL FJ expertise in designing the lift fan for a STOVL engine isn’t exactly top of the essential criteria.

Which is why RR is working away with MHI on a new engine including things such as E2SG, Leonardo on a next generation radar - without US partnership etc.

I think there is a general feeling in both Europe, Japan and elsewhere that we have lost our own expertise and become too dependent on US technology.
That is my understanding as well.
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