UK unveils new next generation fighter jet, the 'Tempest'
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Let's not become too exercised about it chaps
'Tis obvious the ideas team dedicated to cocking the snook towards our 'European friends' having noted we were to be cold shouldered on the development of a new Euro fighter decided to set a metaphorical hare running along 'suck it and see' lines. They may be entirely serious but then again may not. As to proposed early budget, mere chickenfeed in the world of realpolitik
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Well yes and the parent company is Italian. (BAE has branches in the USA and Australia are they not part of BAE?)
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Prankster, that was considered with its predecessor too but no objection was raised. Then when we were asked to send in names for station callsigns my boss selected Typhoon. Never thought it would be accepted, but it was.
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Originally Posted by bakerlite, post: 8687668, member: 47663
FARNBOROUGH, England (Reuters) - Britain will invest 2 billion pounds to 2025 to develop a fighter jet called Tempest that could be used with pilots or as a drone, its defence minister said on Monday, unveiling a life-sized model of the new stealthy warplane.
UK to invest 2 billion pounds in new fighter programme through 2025
U.K. to Unveil 'Tempest' Fighter Jet Model for Post-Brexit World
The Daily Star has a photo, if you don't mind them trawling through your computer.
BREAKING: Britain unveils new futuristic fighter jet TEMPEST – and it can fly UNMANNED
UK to invest 2 billion pounds in new fighter programme through 2025
U.K. to Unveil 'Tempest' Fighter Jet Model for Post-Brexit World
The Daily Star has a photo, if you don't mind them trawling through your computer.
BREAKING: Britain unveils new futuristic fighter jet TEMPEST – and it can fly UNMANNED
Laughingly I am on business here at FIAS2018 and didnt see the Tempest till the tuesday so here are my photos of the beast. I even sat inside it and had a go on the VR ..good luck to BAE on it.
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From: front seat, facing forwards
I know I’m not surprised but threads like this take on a familiar pattern.
It’ll never be as good as a TSR2/Phantom/Hunter. It’s ugly. We won’t get enough. It’ll be rubbish. I wouldn’t have done it like that. Etc, etc ad infinitum.
Clearly I am wired differently to lots of people on this forum. When I read the article I think ‘brilliant, a new fighter’. It shows forethought and ambition with a fair amount of commitment to it so far.
As for the piloted/unpiloted mix I think it makes perfect sense. The mothership and drone concept is not new. It should actually excite us not scare us.
Anyway, I expect I’ll be a lonely voice amongst the masses but why not try to see the positives. If nothing else it shows that my kids may get to be fighter pilots after all.
BV
It’ll never be as good as a TSR2/Phantom/Hunter. It’s ugly. We won’t get enough. It’ll be rubbish. I wouldn’t have done it like that. Etc, etc ad infinitum.
Clearly I am wired differently to lots of people on this forum. When I read the article I think ‘brilliant, a new fighter’. It shows forethought and ambition with a fair amount of commitment to it so far.
As for the piloted/unpiloted mix I think it makes perfect sense. The mothership and drone concept is not new. It should actually excite us not scare us.
Anyway, I expect I’ll be a lonely voice amongst the masses but why not try to see the positives. If nothing else it shows that my kids may get to be fighter pilots after all.
BV
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I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
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MPN, at least we do name them. The cuz both names and numbers but never seem to use the name. I suppose 'Strato . . ' was as much Boeings as USAF.
What would you suggest?
What would you suggest?
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The Landing Gear will be easy to sort out as it looks like it is the same as the Tornado gear, plenty of spares around, and Tech Pubs will be a lot of cut and paste from Tornado manuals, should allow money to be spent on other things.
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At least it begins with T, and is weather-related
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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The only reason Airbus/France/Germany would want to talk about UK participation is to kill a competing UK programme - whilst retaining their lead in airframe/engine/flight software etc. We’ve been down this path with Dassault too many times before.
Meanwhile......
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ighter-program
Saab CEO Says Warplane Maker Could Join U.K.-Led Fighter Program
Saab, maker of the Gripen warplane, said it’s interested in joining a U.K.-led project to develop a cutting-edge combat aircraft that would be a mainstay of defense programs in two decades time.
While Saab is also evaluating a rival Franco-German fighter plan, the Tempest program funded by Britain’s Ministry of Defence and including BAE Systems Plc and Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc has more appeal for the Swedish company, Chief Executive Officer Hakan Buskhe said Friday. “We’re much more intensive in discussion with the Brits than the other consortium,” Buskhe said in a phone briefing. “It looks very promising, and I think we jointly can do good things together.” BAE once held a 35 percent stake in Saab and the pair cooperated in a venture to help market the Gripen.
Britain unveiled a full-sized model of the new Tempest fighter at the Farnborough air show on Monday, pledging 2 billion pounds ($2.6 billion) of funding for a concept aircraft through 2025. Team Tempest also includes the U.K. arm of MBDA, Europe’s biggest missile company, and Leonardo SpA of Italy, a partner of BAE on the current Eurofighter program......
Leonardo said at the expo that it’s open to cooperating on other fighter programs but at the moment is in the British “camp.” Other candidates for joining Tempest include Japan and nations in Asia, where demand for warplanes is increasing as China and India flex their military muscle.
Buskhe said the focus elsewhere on developing a future combat plane might spur sales of the Gripen, given Saab’s commitment to building a further version of the plane, the Gripen E, which is scheduled for first delivery next year. The upgrade jet has won orders from Sweden and Brazil. “That gives us, the only ones building a new fighter, a big advantage,” he said. “We have something new, they have a plan to change something old to something new.”
Meanwhile......
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ighter-program
Saab CEO Says Warplane Maker Could Join U.K.-Led Fighter Program
Saab, maker of the Gripen warplane, said it’s interested in joining a U.K.-led project to develop a cutting-edge combat aircraft that would be a mainstay of defense programs in two decades time.
While Saab is also evaluating a rival Franco-German fighter plan, the Tempest program funded by Britain’s Ministry of Defence and including BAE Systems Plc and Rolls-Royce Holdings Plc has more appeal for the Swedish company, Chief Executive Officer Hakan Buskhe said Friday. “We’re much more intensive in discussion with the Brits than the other consortium,” Buskhe said in a phone briefing. “It looks very promising, and I think we jointly can do good things together.” BAE once held a 35 percent stake in Saab and the pair cooperated in a venture to help market the Gripen.
Britain unveiled a full-sized model of the new Tempest fighter at the Farnborough air show on Monday, pledging 2 billion pounds ($2.6 billion) of funding for a concept aircraft through 2025. Team Tempest also includes the U.K. arm of MBDA, Europe’s biggest missile company, and Leonardo SpA of Italy, a partner of BAE on the current Eurofighter program......
Leonardo said at the expo that it’s open to cooperating on other fighter programs but at the moment is in the British “camp.” Other candidates for joining Tempest include Japan and nations in Asia, where demand for warplanes is increasing as China and India flex their military muscle.
Buskhe said the focus elsewhere on developing a future combat plane might spur sales of the Gripen, given Saab’s commitment to building a further version of the plane, the Gripen E, which is scheduled for first delivery next year. The upgrade jet has won orders from Sweden and Brazil. “That gives us, the only ones building a new fighter, a big advantage,” he said. “We have something new, they have a plan to change something old to something new.”
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Saab CEO Says Warplane Maker Could Join U.K.-Led Fighter Program
Farnborough 2018: Saab open to fighter partnership, if Gripen E tech included | Jane's 360
"We are talking to everyone at the moment, and we are open to working with everyone”
- Everyone is just hedging their bets at the moment.