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A quick Google search (so accuracy may be an issue) indicates that 45% of China's oil currently passes through the Straits of Hormuz - so China will have a vested interest in the Straits staying open.
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If you are going to protest in a foreign language, get a native speaker to help you spell, FFS.
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I had to laugh at the excerpt of a social media statement made after the bombing. MIGA. Make Iran Great Again.
Coming right after an air attack, it's an odd variation on the old "We had to destroy the village to save it" meme from the Viet Nam era.
But for me, the whole MIGA thing is unintentional humor. Here in Texas, migas are a common Tex-Mex breakfast dish.
What are migas?
It's a standard part of Tex-Mex cuisine, if you live south of I-10. Best topped with medium-to-hot salza, pico de gallo or picante.
I prefer the breakfast taquito with coffee, however.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...584&s=116&d=98
I had to laugh at the excerpt of a social media statement made after the bombing. MIGA. Make Iran Great Again.
Coming right after an air attack, it's an odd variation on the old "We had to destroy the village to save it" meme from the Viet Nam era.
But for me, the whole MIGA thing is unintentional humor. Here in Texas, migas are a common Tex-Mex breakfast dish.
What are migas?
...a dish traditionally made from stale bread and other ingredients in Spanish and Portuguese cuisines, in different areas of Mexico, migas is a traditional breakfast dish consisting of crispy crumbled corn tortilla chips, to which scrambled eggs are mixed in. This preparation makes use of hardened corn tortillas left over from previous meals.
I prefer the breakfast taquito with coffee, however.
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Yeah, that's a good question. Time will tell.
Looks like the Israelis are delivering more presents.
As I have mentioned before, a number of Muslim nations have been in a state of war with Israel since its founding (to include Syria, though that may change soon).
It is arguable that a state of co belligerency has been on going between Iran and Israel since at least the formation of Hezbollah in the early 1980's.
Iran's very public support for the Axis of Resistance fits into Fifth Generation Warfare (see William Lind) and since the Korean War, hardly anyone declares war anymore. (Credit to Iran and Iraq for having done that in their war in the 1980's). What Israel is doing at the moment is engaging in Asymmetric Warfare with Iran - from the other direction.
For once in my life I agree with Steve Bannon (whom I generally hold in very low esteem): there was no need for the Americans to strike Iran. The following comes from the magazine Rolling Stone...their biases are well known.
I guess that since he had made that Threat the president felt he had to follow through on it. Or maybe he just woke up in a bad mood. Hard to say. 
Looks like the Israelis are delivering more presents.
Originally Posted by CBS News
Tel Aviv — Israel said it carried out more strikes on Iran on Monday, targeting missile, satellite and radar sites two days after the President Trump ordered American warplanes to join Israel in attacking the Islamic Republic's nuclear facilities, fueling concern around the world of an escalating conflict in the heart of the Middle East with the potential to draw in major world powers.
Those concerns may continue to mount, as both Mr. Trump and Israeli officials hint at hopes that the military operations could result in the fall of Iran's theocratic rulers, and as Iran's top diplomat visits Russia looking for support from a key ally. Israel is also expanding its list of targets in Iran to hit sites linked directly to the ruling theocracy's grip on power domestically.
The office of Israel's defense minister said Monday that the military was "attacking with unprecedented force regime targets and government repression entities in the heart of Iran." It was the first time Israel has acknowledged striking targets linked to the Iranian regime's domestic authority, rather than its military or nuclear assets.
The defense minister's office said the new targets included the notorious Evin Prison, where political prisoners are held, a clock in Tehran's Palestine Square that symbolically displays a countdown to the destruction of the state of Israel, and the headquarters of Iran's Basij paramilitary forces, which among other things acts as a morality police force for the Islamic rulers.
Those concerns may continue to mount, as both Mr. Trump and Israeli officials hint at hopes that the military operations could result in the fall of Iran's theocratic rulers, and as Iran's top diplomat visits Russia looking for support from a key ally. Israel is also expanding its list of targets in Iran to hit sites linked directly to the ruling theocracy's grip on power domestically.
The office of Israel's defense minister said Monday that the military was "attacking with unprecedented force regime targets and government repression entities in the heart of Iran." It was the first time Israel has acknowledged striking targets linked to the Iranian regime's domestic authority, rather than its military or nuclear assets.
The defense minister's office said the new targets included the notorious Evin Prison, where political prisoners are held, a clock in Tehran's Palestine Square that symbolically displays a countdown to the destruction of the state of Israel, and the headquarters of Iran's Basij paramilitary forces, which among other things acts as a morality police force for the Islamic rulers.
It is arguable that a state of co belligerency has been on going between Iran and Israel since at least the formation of Hezbollah in the early 1980's.
Iran's very public support for the Axis of Resistance fits into Fifth Generation Warfare (see William Lind) and since the Korean War, hardly anyone declares war anymore. (Credit to Iran and Iraq for having done that in their war in the 1980's). What Israel is doing at the moment is engaging in Asymmetric Warfare with Iran - from the other direction.
For once in my life I agree with Steve Bannon (whom I generally hold in very low esteem): there was no need for the Americans to strike Iran. The following comes from the magazine Rolling Stone...their biases are well known.
After President Donald Trump's decision to strike three Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, administration officials are barely bothering to pretend the unprecedented - and potentially calamitous - attacks were motivated by new intelligence suggesting Iran was on the brink of having nuclear weapons. Just months ago, Trump's Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified to Congress, in her opening statement, that the U.S. intel community "continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon" and had not reauthorized its nuclear weapons program. While Trump recently publicly disputed Gabbard's testimony, according to two administration officials with knowledge of internal deliberations in recent weeks, the president's decision to strike was not driven by any new U.S. intelligence on Iran."There is no intel," says one of the officials, who were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. "Nothing new, that I'm aware of… The president is protecting the United States and our interests, [but] the intelligence assessments have not really changed from what they were before."
Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, confirmed Saturday night that American intelligence assessments on Iran have not changed. "I was briefed on the intelligence last week. Iran posed no imminent threat of attack to the United States," he wrote on social media. "Iran was not close to building a deliverable nuclear weapon."
Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, confirmed Saturday night that American intelligence assessments on Iran have not changed. "I was briefed on the intelligence last week. Iran posed no imminent threat of attack to the United States," he wrote on social media. "Iran was not close to building a deliverable nuclear weapon."
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Thought the consensus was that they were just normal commercial flighs where the trackers 'joined the dots' when they went out of coverage.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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China warns Iran after its threats to close the Strait of Hormuz:
“The Persian Gulf and surrounding waters are critical trade routes and must remain stable and open.”
“The Persian Gulf and surrounding waters are critical trade routes and must remain stable and open.”
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Iran claiming that they are the victim, at the UN yesterday is about as rich as it gets.
For years now the world has been kicking the can down the road on the matter of Iranian sponsored terrorism and doing nothing about it.
The US and Israel now finally take action against the playground bully and give them a good hiding and the bully then claims that it is unfair.
As Marco Rubio pointed out, the only reason that the US Military has such a large presence in the Middle East is because of the threat that Iran has presented to the region and Europe for so long.
For years now the world has been kicking the can down the road on the matter of Iranian sponsored terrorism and doing nothing about it.
The US and Israel now finally take action against the playground bully and give them a good hiding and the bully then claims that it is unfair.
As Marco Rubio pointed out, the only reason that the US Military has such a large presence in the Middle East is because of the threat that Iran has presented to the region and Europe for so long.
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The US and Israel now finally take action against the playground bully and give them a good hiding and the bully then claims that it is unfair.
As Marco Rubio pointed out, the only reason that the US Military has such a large presence in the Middle East is because of the threat that Iran has presented to the region and Europe for so long.
The US and Israel now finally take action against the playground bully and give them a good hiding and the bully then claims that it is unfair.
As Marco Rubio pointed out, the only reason that the US Military has such a large presence in the Middle East is because of the threat that Iran has presented to the region and Europe for so long.
sticks and stones, an attack on America results in a response, are they so naïve to think they will not get a similar response.
Peace under Americas terms is never going to happen.
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Lonewolf, perhaps the eastern sides of London have not fallen into your recent travel plans, but I know areas where if I were to properly say "Down with" I might be met with a quizzical look and a raised eyebrow.
This is in no way a slight against the many hard-working folk we have here who hale from foreign shores and for whom English is a second language. Sadly it is all too often folk who know better and do this on purpose. 😥 Bruv, innit, etc. I'm sure you have heard those annoying utterances.
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Well the response to the, yeah we bombed you, but let’s be friends is in, no surprises there.
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"How did it turn out for the Axis Powers back then and why should we think it to be any different today?"
But there was NO regime change in Germany - they fought to the bitter end. There was a collapse but it took forever. And not a single German unit changed sides IIRC
And it required a million men invading them to achieve even that. Hope you're not suggesting a repeat performance in Iran?
But there was NO regime change in Germany - they fought to the bitter end. There was a collapse but it took forever. And not a single German unit changed sides IIRC
And it required a million men invading them to achieve even that. Hope you're not suggesting a repeat performance in Iran?