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Old 14th Sep 2014, 21:52
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Are you telling me that there is not a raft of secret plans dreamt up at main building covering all aspects of this farce and how it affects the bomber?

We can guess, and mine is it comes to Guzz reet quick and they mate warheads to missiles at Burghfield and ship em down by train

I can't see them parking it at Pompey as it's too near expensive England.

It will not take decades to build what they need
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Old 14th Sep 2014, 22:19
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Biggus, my point. Volunteers for foreign service any one?

In our Rotary club we have several ex pats - a Greek, 2 tykes, an Aberdonian, and a few immigrants from London.
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 13:25
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"Are you telling me that there is not a raft of secret plans dreamt up at main building covering all aspects of this farce"

Well if there are they are the only ones this moronic Govt and Opposition will have

they clearly hoped it would all just go away

until that poll about 8 days ago Scottish Independence was the 4th or 5th item on the new feeds

the only plan I've heard about is the suggestion to move the Trident subs to Plymouth, maybe some warships back to Pompey and the warheads & missiles to a new facility in Falmouth
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 13:48
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Genuine question: would it be a viable option to use a east coast base in the USA for the bombers?
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 13:55
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A view from the USA

Today's Aviation Week e-bulletin on this topic is quite interesting and can be found at:

Scottish ?Yes? Vote Could Have Major Impact On U.K. Defense | Defense content from Aviation Week

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Old 15th Sep 2014, 13:56
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Yes, it does rather look like the Westminster establishment had seen early opinion polls and rather complacently decided nothing much needed to be attended to. It has now gone into full Cpl Jones mode. Panic is not too strong a word.

As a distant observer, and without commenting on the substance of the respective arguments, the 'Yes' campaign has looked vigorous, optimistic and upbeat. The 'Better Together' campaign has been every bit as dreary as it sounds. On such subjective issues could the referendum be decided.

I still hope things stay as they are as I believe both parties are the stronger for it, but a change now looks distinctly possible. While this would be disruptive and costly, if Westminster rule is so antagonising to the Scots, there would equally be longer-term recurring costs in continuing a partnership of the unwilling. So if it happens the sooner we adapt and get on with life without Scotland the better.

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...would it be a viable option to use a east coast base in the USA for the bombers?
Below is a link to a BBC piece from a few months back.

View on US option is, broadly, technically possible, politically and strategically undesirable.

If the divorce happens and if Trident is kicked out, I guess it will be a case of 'needs must' until a longer term solution is agreed, and the US option could be the least worst provided the US is prepared to assist.

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Old 15th Sep 2014, 14:58
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The SNP says it should inherit a share of the U.K.’s defense assets to help it establish a defense force. Based on population, the party says Scotland’s share would be worth about £7.8 billion and would include at least 12-16 Eurofighter Typhoons for air defense, and six Lockheed Martin C-130J Hercules to form a tactical air transport squadron. It would also get a fleet of helicopters. This is likely to be the subject of significant negotiation, however.
12-16 Typhoons. How many would that leave?!? Give them shares in the F-35 instead
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 15:02
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During a discussion yesterday around a future SDF the question of oil rig protection came up.
The rigs are well protected at present, but will Scotland choose to have a force of their own that can do this?
This is not a cheap thing to do and needs a lot of resources. The alternative is to perhaps just admits that the rigs are open to boarding by anyone from I.S. To the Russians.
The conversation arose after hearing Tommy Sheridon (sp) advising TV viewers to go online and visit a website where oil experts say Scotland has 100 years of oil.................the site in question is a recruitment site for the oil industry
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 17:07
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Sorry, another economic point. Robert Peston gives his view on what Mr Salmond would have to do on Friday morning to prevent a run on Scottish banks:

BBC News - How Scotland can avoid a credit crunch

Rather ironically it would involve him having to backtrack somewhat on his currency union pledge, at least initially. Given that he would have achieved his objective by then, I don't suppose this would weigh too heavily on his conscience.

...The rigs are well protected at present, but will Scotland choose to have a force of their own that can do this?...
An area of potential mutual interest with rUK. Once the 'electioneering' rhetoric has stopped, there ought to be some cold, hard, rational discussion about shared objectives and this issue ought to be one of them. Of course, that makes it equally true that what would need to happen is already happening but that is not quite where we are now, at least not until Friday morning (possibly).

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While I agree with your last paragraph I did mention two potential aggressors.
Mutual interest or not, these things have to be paid for with taxpayers money AND there may (more like would be) different levels of resolve from Westminster depending on who had occupied a rig. If it were iS or similar I feel Westminster would see a common cause to defeat, but if it were the Russians the independent Scots may need to be told they had made their own bed and should get ready to be comfy in it.

All just theoretical stuff of course.
My view is that Scotland can clearly do well on its own, but not in a 'too much jam today, and too much jam forever' way the yes campaigners seem to be suggesting........especially with the large amount of as yet unknown items like currency union.
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Old 15th Sep 2014, 22:00
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Barn, is 45 cmdo still available?

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Old 16th Sep 2014, 23:27
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Barn,

Public sector offices have been steadily encouraged for years to be more business-like, whether through relatively soft arrangements like JBAs, Smart Contracts etc, or direct billing and accounting for services. Assuming a geographical divide of the North Sea for the new EEZ of iScotland resulting in the new iScotland owning approx. 90% of the oils fields, then if Scotland were unable initially to provide the defence required of the rigs which provide 10%+ of income, it would seem perfectly feasible for rUK to offer the services at cost.

rUK maintaining an effective military force and partly subsidised by the new iScotland doesn't seem so bad a deal.
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 08:32
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If in Friday morning, Wee Heck finds he has lost, standby for complaints of unfair canvassing, biased BBC, the opposition lied.........................
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 08:40
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"defending oil rigs" - I've been on a few and never seen any defence at all - nor have I heard any discussion of it or seen any documentation on it

if you mean we have some SF who can recapture a rig - fine - but all those bits of steel are wide open to anyone with a decent helicopter

Admittedly storming a rig from a boat is a little more difficult
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 08:57
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Is Rufus Excalibur ffolkes still available for hire....his face seems to fit
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Old 17th Sep 2014, 10:12
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Wander,

If he does win on Friday, but things don't turn out too well for an independent Scotland, and his predictions don't come to pass, stand by for years of blaming the English (using all "their" oil, not giving them a "fair" share of assets, not "sharing" the pound, the list is endless).

In fact the English are perfect scapegoats for years for any failings, in the same way governments always blame their predecessors for leaving the country in a poor state.
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dagenham wrote:
Is Rufus Excalibur ffolkes still available for hire...
I think that Rufus has probably had his mind on other things of late - his 3 white kittens....





....and giving Sanna another shower....
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And when the Labour Party leaves power the piggy bank is always empty, and some!
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I am not a military person so I apologise for posting here, however, if the yes vote succeeds ,which,I hope it does not,and we give the Scots lots of planes and ships etc,would there be any current members of The Royal Air force, Royal Navy and Army who would be prepared to leave all their pensions, benefits future promotions etc to join the Scottish effort,or, are there going to be lots of Typhoons rotting away on unused airfields and frigates rusting away at their moorings ?
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