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Old 19th Mar 2014, 11:07
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Setting aside the energy dependence issue, how does the International Space Station continue to function when Russia has the only current method of getting people there and back!
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 11:56
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I think NATO and the EU talk the Ukrainians into accepting the loss of Crimea, and then directly after off membership into NATO effective immidaitly.
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Breaking News...

Source: Sky News

Ukranian Security Chief Anounces Military Exercise to be held with United States and Britain.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 00:46
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wow! that's taking the gloves off.
This is no longer a token response, it's a full blown TOKEN RESPONSE !!
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 00:50
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Errrr is it? I already mentioned this in the war with Russia thread, already planned exercise

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US Army to proceed with planned exercise in Ukraine - News - Stripes
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Thanks, Nutty. So, it's actually no response at all; just the announcing of it by the Ukranians is the token response.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 10:13
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Well it appears that the Russian populace will be waking up to some changes..

BBC News - Visa and MasterCard block Russian bank customers
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Exporting Chaos: 'West spent $5 billion destabilizing Ukraine' - YouTube



'US thinks rules are for inferior nations, it's in their DNA' - ex Australian PM - YouTube
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 15:41
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(Said it a while ago, but still apposite):

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Nationalist Rise: Israeli MPs express concerns for Jewish community in Ukraine - YouTube
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 17:44
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Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can post links too...
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 18:02
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melmothtw, your events are from 100 plus years ago terrible that they were. My links talks about recent events.
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 18:06
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How William Hague Deceived the House of Commons on Ukraine | David Morrison




''It is simply untrue that the Rada followed the procedure laid down in the Ukrainian constitution to impeach and remove a president from power.
Article 108 of the constitution specifies four circumstances in which a president may cease to exercise power before the end of his term. Those are:
  • resignation;
  • inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
  • removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
  • death.
The procedure for removal from office by impeachment is laid down in Article 111. It is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months.
Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president's guilt for the Rada to consider. To find the president guilty, at least two-thirds of Rada members must assent.
Prior to a final vote to remove the president from power, the procedure requires
  • the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
  • the Supreme Court of Ukraine to certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.
To remove the president from power, at least three-quarters of Rada members must assent.
The Rada didn't follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.
Furthermore, the bill wasn't even supported by three-quarters of Rada members as required by Article 111 - it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).''
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Old 22nd Mar 2014, 18:09
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If I say what I want to say Ronald I'm going to get banned (again), so will leave it there. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Ukraine fiasco marks end of the EU?s imperial dream - Telegraph
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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 20:29
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Danny #509,

How apt, and appropriate an Aesop's fable is in this instance. I suspect though that whilst enjoying the sound of their own ego's, our western politicians will have little effect , in reality, in "belling" the Putin cat.

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Old 23rd Mar 2014, 21:57
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Finns, Swedes Weigh NATO Membership

HELSINKI — Heightened regional tensions, which have grown in the wake of the disputed legality of Crimea’s referendum to join the Russian Federation, have rekindled debate over whether non-aligned Sweden and Finland can protect their sovereignty outside of NATO.

Nordic NATO-aligned neighbors Denmark and Norway have long sought a High North defense solution that includes Finland and Sweden as permanent members of the alliance. This is regarded as the optimum pan-Nordic solution to establish a lasting, credible deterrent against threats to countries in the region.

The Kremlin has, in inter-governmental talks with Finland and Sweden since 2012, urged both countries to forgo NATO membership and join a Russia-led Eastern Alliance, a prospect that neither of the two Nordic states has shown any appetite for.

Against a backdrop of growing support for NATO membership in Sweden, opinion in Finland is slowly shifting toward what the country’s Council of State describes as a “collective defense solution.”............

Russian plans to reopen military bases, and relocate more than 150,000 personnel to facilities near the Finnish and Norwegian borders in coming months, are certain to accelerate the search by Finland and Sweden for long-term “collective defense” solutions............
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Old 24th Mar 2014, 00:43
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Who'll Bell the Cat ?

Smudge,

Andrew Marr (BBC1) put it in a nutshell Sunday morning:

"Teddy" Roosevelt advised: "Speak softly, and carry a big stick". Our politicians scream their heads off - and carry a twig !

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Danny,

Your question was answered in 181. Nothing has changed since either.

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Old 24th Mar 2014, 04:22
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Finns, Swedes Weigh NATO Membership

If one was a conspirocy theorist one would say the US is letting the whole Ukraine thing go for a bit to serve as an example. Unless your a card caring member of NATO, we won't be there for you!
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