War with Russia next?
Harry, well played. 
Breaking on Sky, NATO to fly E3s over Poland and Romania, WTF is going on. Don't these fools realise that they are just stoking a fire they just cannot control. They said that about a flight over Sverdlovsk in 1961. What happens if Vlad starts to actively jam the E3s.
Vlad will love this, will he start doing the same thing, it just needs one spark and boom.
Vlad will love this, will he start doing the same thing, it just needs one spark and boom.
This is some kind of powder keg just waiting to eaxplode? I really don't see it. Willy waving a sabre rattling, more like it. Even the talk of sactions, asset freezes and travel restrictions will soon go very quiet when Ivan offers to turn off a few people's gas. Why on earth should that nice Mr P be in the least bit concerned that NATO are flying an E3 over Poland?
Because that nice Mr P may decide to see if you have a high Tog duvet and like cold beans for dinner.
Seriously, they are being stupid and indeed willy waving, the main question who has the biggest willy?
Seriously, they are being stupid and indeed willy waving, the main question who has the biggest willy?
As I've pointed out before 70% of European gas supplies are outwith of Russia and we are entering warmer weather. Europe could cope, but Russia - with a weak single-commodity economy, will go down the gurgler very, very rapidly. Where are the Russian investments and reserves. In Moscow? Try London, Dubai, Northern Cyprus.
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You get the feeling Putins aims are to get firmly entrenched and then say let's negotiated knowing damn well he is now secure with no interest of budging one inch. I also noticed that Crimea has gas lines that also flow through the Ukraine, so he has in effect taken those fields over too.
I do think Putin has misjudged at least in the mid term, Europe will have had the cold hard truth rammed home that you cannot rely on one countries gas supply, so the liquified gas option, gas from Norway and also Turkey and the Middle East will become major suppliers reducing dependance and cutting Russia's monopoly and hence severely hitting the country revenue stream.
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I do think Putin has misjudged at least in the mid term, Europe will have had the cold hard truth rammed home that you cannot rely on one countries gas supply, so the liquified gas option, gas from Norway and also Turkey and the Middle East will become major suppliers reducing dependance and cutting Russia's monopoly and hence severely hitting the country revenue stream.
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Lots of stuff to comment on, so little time. Amazed to see that not all posts (by any means) are of the "nookler war, toe to toe with the rooskies" as in Dr Strangelove. (Younger members- a really funny, scary? movie).
Constitutionality- even Radio Liberty (Voice of America) questions the legitimacy of the current Kyev Government Was Yanukovych's Ouster Constitutional? so the raging argument that Crimea can't separate cause it violates the constitution are interesting.
Free & fair election: I think it will be fair because of all the attention it will get. Intimidation: I'd sooner be casting a vote for Ukraine in Crimea than vote for Yanu-to-stay in the Ukrainian parliament with Right Sector & Svoboda 'supporters' looking on!
I'm sure that any enterprising young reporter can find some citizens in Crimea who don't want to secede- hint: ask people not carrying Russian flags. It does tend to prove though that they aren't exactly living in fear. We should know by next week. Don't know if pro-Russians in Kyev would be equally forthcoming to reporters.
Finally- why does everyone ignore Canada's support to the demonstrators long before, and after the revolution? Media on both sides go on about US/EU support, but we get left out. We've been in since the beginning. May have something to do with 3% of our populace/voters being of Ukrainian descent, but I certainly am not cynical enough to think so.
Constitutionality- even Radio Liberty (Voice of America) questions the legitimacy of the current Kyev Government Was Yanukovych's Ouster Constitutional? so the raging argument that Crimea can't separate cause it violates the constitution are interesting.
Free & fair election: I think it will be fair because of all the attention it will get. Intimidation: I'd sooner be casting a vote for Ukraine in Crimea than vote for Yanu-to-stay in the Ukrainian parliament with Right Sector & Svoboda 'supporters' looking on!
I'm sure that any enterprising young reporter can find some citizens in Crimea who don't want to secede- hint: ask people not carrying Russian flags. It does tend to prove though that they aren't exactly living in fear. We should know by next week. Don't know if pro-Russians in Kyev would be equally forthcoming to reporters.
Finally- why does everyone ignore Canada's support to the demonstrators long before, and after the revolution? Media on both sides go on about US/EU support, but we get left out. We've been in since the beginning. May have something to do with 3% of our populace/voters being of Ukrainian descent, but I certainly am not cynical enough to think so.
Putin isn't even going to raise an eye-brow over E-3s monitoring from NATO airspace. NATO has a perfect right to utilize assets to increase situational awareness. If hostilities, or a ramp up of tension, broke out between Russian and Ukrainian forces then isn't it only correct that NATO has the assets in place to monitor the situation?
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Don't these fools realise that they are just stoking a fire they just cannot control
Putin has been ahead of us the whole time, he judged we would just stand by and p!ss our pants. "Oh trade sanctions, no Germany and the US corporations will get hurt". Intervention, "Oh no it might turn into world war 3" "Oh its not our problem"
He must be sitting there laughing. He doesn't want a showdown, his troops arn't wearing any identifing markings, when pointed out that the vehicles had Russian number plates from specific units, they have been removed.
He's playing a game, whilst he gets control and gets Irregulars in control, read Serbian mercenarys.
It looks like again, after all of last century, we are still allowing the big players to just trade off countrys like chips
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N2erk, legitimate or not, that still does not give a Country the right to invade another Sovereign State and occupy part of it and the ex president did not have the powers to legally invite them in. They have country elections planned, so the time for the ex president to put his case is then, and Russia should have no say in any of them.
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few hours ago Russian troops strormed Air Traffic Control centre and Tower in Simferopol (Crimea, Ukraine). Now higher airspace is under control by adjacent Ukrainian centres.
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Yanukovich: I'm alive, I'm still president, I'll be back (FULL STATEMENT)
http://youtu.be/MDAndXulEoY
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You know Reagan, I never think badly of anyone, but in your case I would be willing to chip in £50 quid towards your ticket to the Crimea to give you a reality check. You are either very very naive, have never served a day in Uniform, or simply are a prepubescent child with an urge to rub oneself up against others as some form of sexual gratification.
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No, for the last 6+ years RR has made clear his devotion to Russia - to the point I'm uncertain whether he is simply a Russian ex-pat living in the UK to take advantage of the better health care (and to work to influence gullible Brits to support Russian goals) or is a Russian planted agent.
Either way his nationalistic loyalty to Russia far exceeds any UK loyalty he is pretending.
Either way his nationalistic loyalty to Russia far exceeds any UK loyalty he is pretending.