War with Russia next?
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You cannot seriously compare modern day Russia to Nazi Germany! If anything those who seem to like the Nazi's are in Kiev!
Crimea was actually part of Russia until only a few decades back. It seems perfectly logical it returning to them, if that is what the majority of people in Crimea vote for then fine.
Crimea was actually part of Russia until only a few decades back. It seems perfectly logical it returning to them, if that is what the majority of people in Crimea vote for then fine.
RR - that may be so, but that should be a decision made by all the people of Ukraine, and not by force majeur, whereby a gun has been held to the head of the Ukranian people.
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Whenurhappy, why on earth should the people of say western Ukraine have a say in the fate of the people of Crimea! The people of Crimea want NOTHING to do with the new Kiev regime, they are what have caused all of this.
Letting people from other areas of Ukraine vote would be totally unfair to the people of the Crimea. It really is just a matter for Crimea. It was Russian before anyhow!
Letting people from other areas of Ukraine vote would be totally unfair to the people of the Crimea. It really is just a matter for Crimea. It was Russian before anyhow!
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Well, there is this little matter of the Ukrainian constitution requiring that any question of part of the country leaving the country be voted on by the entire country, not just the part wanting to leave.
Of course, we all know that Putin's will (and the glory of RR's Russia) trumps such silly inconsequential things as laws (and treaties).
Of course, we all know that Putin's will (and the glory of RR's Russia) trumps such silly inconsequential things as laws (and treaties).
You cannot seriously compare modern day Russia to Nazi Germany!
If anything those who seem to like the Nazi's are in Kiev!
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rh200 you would expect Washington to come out and say any lies to support their new pet puppet regime in Kiev. Everything they say is a lie.
Its not about morally right or wrong, its about the technicalitys.
By the way I don't think it was legal, I'm just taking a side that it was legal based on some published facts. As I stated if someone has a unemotional counter argument to those published points on why they are wrong, I am happy to take it on board.
you can't just go carving up other peoples countries. Can you not see that?
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SAsless, old chap, if one is going to delve into ancient history in attempt to score penis points, one should probably google their own backyards history first..
Just sayin
Just sayin
Hempy.....do get it straight.....I said you Brits had a "VERY LONG" history of doing it...we were victims of that back in the 1700's as you recall when you, the French, and the Spanish fussed over my country.
Y'all just cannot get over being under Eisenhower can you?
Y'all just cannot get over being under Eisenhower can you?
Well, there is this little matter of the Ukrainian constitution requiring that any question of part of the country leaving the country be voted on by the entire country, not just the part wanting to leave.
If Crimea wants to leave Ukraine and join Russia this surely is the best way forward for peace and stability in the region. The west of Ukraine would then be free to align themselves more closely with the EU, which is what they want too.
Arguing that the whole of the Ukraine should be allowed to vote on Crimean succession is a bit like arguing that the the whole of the UK should be allowed to vote on Scottish independence, or Argentinians arguing that they should have been allowed to vote in the Falklands referendum last year.
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You cannot seriously compare modern day Russia to Nazi Germany!
Notice you didn't complain about comparing the Russians to the Serbs and Putin to Milosovic. Tells its own story...
The people of Crimea want NOTHING to do with the new Kiev regime,
Not tue. A section of the Crimean population that is currently enboldened by Putin's actions want's nothing to do with the Kiev regime, but there are Ukrainians, Tartars, and even Russians who do wish to remain in Ukraine. They're the ones you don't see on the news on account of the Russian soldiers, bullwhip-weilding Cossacks, and self-styled local defence foces that are roaming the streets.
A 'free and fair' refurendum? Reports on BBC Radio 4 this morning that Moscow has turned off Ukrainian TV in Crimea and is broadcasting Russian TV only. Having had a chance to sample some of RT's most recent coverage, I'd guess they're not exactly providing both sides of the debate.
And say the vote does go against Putin, do you think they will announce it as such? Stand by for a 98% vote in favour, I'd say.
And say the vote does go against Putin, do you think they will announce it as such? Stand by for a 98% vote in favour, I'd say.
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This. It is quite SAD that some cannot differentiate between true democratic progress and the sanctioning of a rigged balled to oppress a sizable portion of a regions citizens......
Ah well, I guess thats what the ignore button is for then..
Ah well, I guess thats what the ignore button is for then..
This. It is quite SAD that some cannot differentiate between true democratic progress and the sanctioning of a rigged balled to oppress a sizable portion of a regions citizens......
The people of Crimea want NOTHING to do with the new Kiev regime
The view from the BBC - on the ground in Crimea and talking to the poeple...
Analysis
Mark Lowen BBC News, Sevastopol A lot of Russians I have spoken to here in Crimea over the last week say they do not actually want to become part of Russia.
They say they want broader autonomy and protection of their rights, but they want to stay within Ukraine and do not want to change nationality.
There are those of course who say they would like to unite with Russia. But there is a lot of support for developing the notion of greater autonomy within Ukraine.
Certainly, the ethnic Ukrainians and the Tatars will vote against it in the 16 March referendum.
I think the Crimean government may have a big fight on its hands persuading citizens to endorse joining Russia.
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The Ukrainian constitution is a flexible feast. If subpopulations of its citizens genuinely want out, then their willis clear, and the rules set to avoid fission will just have to yield. Much more important is breaking the "promise not to threaten Ukraine, and they'll give up their nuclear weapons" memo.
Ukraine deserves credit for agreeing and implementing that, and now they're getting the $%^$& in return.
Ukraine deserves credit for agreeing and implementing that, and now they're getting the $%^$& in return.
