War with Russia next?
Agree with you to a point about Croatia. Franjo Tuđman was cut from the same cloth as Milosovic, and both agreed to carve up Bosnia between them (you're certainly correct when you say that the Bosnians werejust stuck in the middle). I agree also that for the ordniary Serb the fear of the Croat Ustase was very real in their minds.
My point with relation to Ukraine though is that, like Milosovic and the Croat/Bosnian Serbs, Putin is playing on the historical fears of the Crimean Russians to further his own poltical agenda.
The fear is just that; fear, and there is no actual threat to the Russians in Ukraine from the Ukrainians (at least, there wasn't before all this kicked off).
My point with relation to Ukraine though is that, like Milosovic and the Croat/Bosnian Serbs, Putin is playing on the historical fears of the Crimean Russians to further his own poltical agenda.
The fear is just that; fear, and there is no actual threat to the Russians in Ukraine from the Ukrainians (at least, there wasn't before all this kicked off).
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rh200 you would expect Washington to come out and say any lies to support their new pet puppet regime in Kiev. Everything they say is a lie.
Good luck to the people of Crimea in walking away from Kiev.
Good luck to the people of Crimea in walking away from Kiev.
Everything they say is a lie
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Everyone lies! But Putin is a million times better than the rubbish coming out of Washington, London, Paris, Brussels etc. Its great seeing a leader who will stand up against the axis of evil in the west!
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So that's a 'yes' then. Have you considered that if he is lying about that might he not be lying about other things as well (such as threats to Russians living in Ukraine, opposition snipers etc)?
Well, I see you've already made your mind up so that was really a rhetorical question...
Well, I see you've already made your mind up so that was really a rhetorical question...
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Sure, Putin's just tugging the strings in Crimea now because the strings on his puppet in Kiev were cut. If he's interested in governmental rectitude, he'll send him back to face the music.
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Fox, i can't accept your characterisation of the Ukrainian Parliaments actions as unconstitutional if that implies they are wrong and unjustified.
The puppet of putain signed an agreement on the 21st Feb to implement change then promptly fled the country.
A cynic would suggest that such action was pre-planned and designed in conjunction with excessive provocation in invading Crimea to trigger a response from the Ukrainian side that would justify putain rolling over the border and occupying the entire or at least East of the country.
In the circumstances they were faced with should the Parliament have thrown their hands up and done nothing awaiting putains puppets return?
The clear evidence of corruption as illustrated by the footage of the bizarre residence formally occupied by putains puppet was more than enough for the democratically elected Parliament to take the action they have vis a via putains puppet.
The puppet of putain signed an agreement on the 21st Feb to implement change then promptly fled the country.
A cynic would suggest that such action was pre-planned and designed in conjunction with excessive provocation in invading Crimea to trigger a response from the Ukrainian side that would justify putain rolling over the border and occupying the entire or at least East of the country.
In the circumstances they were faced with should the Parliament have thrown their hands up and done nothing awaiting putains puppets return?
The clear evidence of corruption as illustrated by the footage of the bizarre residence formally occupied by putains puppet was more than enough for the democratically elected Parliament to take the action they have vis a via putains puppet.
By no means was I implying they were wrong (I would be one of those cynics), and rh200 reckons it was constitutional anyway. I'll check his reference when I've time, but we'll assume he's right and I was wrong. Sorry.
Regarding the disappearance of the president from Ukraine, some folks seem to have lost sight of the matter of himself, and some others, dipping their hands into the till. Some of the details appear to be murky and involve foreign accounts, but in this case I'm leaning towards the "where there is smoke there is fire."
That sort of theft from the public coffers gets people removed from office in a lot of countries ... as well it should.
That sort of theft from the public coffers gets people removed from office in a lot of countries ... as well it should.
US sends 6 (yup, six)F-15s to Lithuania
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I'll bet Putin is wetting himself right now
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I'll bet Putin is wetting himself right now
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I had to laugh at an official, after the EU meeting, saying that a referendum for the citizens of Crimea to vote on whether to secede from Ukraine to Russia was 'illegal' as it should be for the whole of the Ukraine population to vote on the subject. That sounds similar to the situation vis-a-vis Scotland and the rest of the UK.
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US sends 6 (yup, six)F-15s to Lithuania
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I'll bet Putin is wetting himself right now
Hang on, Russia has supported NATO's mission in Afghanistan throughout the last decade or so, and the only reason it didn't want regime change in Libya (and Syria) is because it jeapordises the billions of roubles worth of arms deals it has in place.
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19:24: The US military earlier announced it was sending the USS Truxtun, a navy guided-missile destroyer, to the Black Sea for what it described as a "routine" deployment that was scheduled before the crisis began.
19:17: The Pentagon says six US F-15 jets and 60 US military personnel have now arrived in Lithuania to bolster air patrols over the Baltics, Associated Press reports. This adds to the four F-15s and 150 troops that are already patrolling in the area.
19:17: The Pentagon says six US F-15 jets and 60 US military personnel have now arrived in Lithuania to bolster air patrols over the Baltics, Associated Press reports. This adds to the four F-15s and 150 troops that are already patrolling in the area.
And don't forget those that can't help themselves
Pavlo, London and Kharkiv emails: During this political turmoil where the current government is manifesting itself as useless and spineless, some things are getting missed. They may seem to be negligible on global scale but are nonetheless important for local people. In my native town of Kharkiv, due to the financing being cut off by the government, the animals in the local zoo are on the verge of starvation. This has no relation to politics but just serves saving poor living creatures.
Ron Paul is not completely wrong, in terms of understanding Putin's point of view and response.
"OK, you say I have no good reason to enter Crimea/Ukraine. It is right next to my country and used to be part of my country not so long ago. Iraq was never part of your country, and isn't right next door. Why are you giving me this grief?"
A reasonable response might be ...
"We intended to leave, and did. Do you intend to leave Crimea when this instability is over?"
"OK, you say I have no good reason to enter Crimea/Ukraine. It is right next to my country and used to be part of my country not so long ago. Iraq was never part of your country, and isn't right next door. Why are you giving me this grief?"
A reasonable response might be ...
"We intended to leave, and did. Do you intend to leave Crimea when this instability is over?"
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Lonewolf_50, you make some good points. It would appear that a large number of people, possibly the majority in Crimea don't want the Russian's to leave, actually they would rather their whole region becomes part of Russia again which it was before.
And the majority of Germans in the Sudetenland wanted the Nazis to stay, and the majority of Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia wanted their compatriots to stay also, but you can't just go carving up other peoples countries. Can you not see that?
but you can't just go carving up other peoples countries
The various efforts by the UN to redraw a variety of lines has been part of its history as an organization.
Cyprus springs to mind ...