Birth Certificates - RAF Brats born overseas
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My sister rarely leaves the shores of Albion, her passport having the lovely words "Place of birth - Benghazi, Libya". You can imagine the trouble that used to cause....
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Mrs Ogre is a RAF Brat, she was born in Malta when her Father was stationed over there in the 60's, to be precise she was born in the navy hospital at Luqa. She has a birth certificate which is an RAF form, gives all the details of her birth and was signed by the RAF Register officer for Malta.
Now, she currently needs to get a copy of her birth certificate, so a bit of a google search directed her to the General Register Office. As we are not in the UK, she sent off the forms and today received a reply.
Basically, the GRO can't find any record of the birth. She phoned then, and was basically told they do not hold military birth records (even though the National Archive website says they do), and was told to phone the British High Commission in Malta.
We did some further digging, tried Kentigern House, tried the RAF disclosures office at Cranwell, and no-one can tell us who holds the birth records and can provide a copy of the certificate.
So great and wise forum, has anyone out there tried a similar quest? Has anyone tried to get a copy of a birth certificate for a child born overseas to serving military personnel. If so, where die you go?
Ogre
Mrs Ogre is a RAF Brat, she was born in Malta when her Father was stationed over there in the 60's, to be precise she was born in the navy hospital at Luqa. She has a birth certificate which is an RAF form, gives all the details of her birth and was signed by the RAF Register officer for Malta.
Now, she currently needs to get a copy of her birth certificate, so a bit of a google search directed her to the General Register Office. As we are not in the UK, she sent off the forms and today received a reply.
Basically, the GRO can't find any record of the birth. She phoned then, and was basically told they do not hold military birth records (even though the National Archive website says they do), and was told to phone the British High Commission in Malta.
We did some further digging, tried Kentigern House, tried the RAF disclosures office at Cranwell, and no-one can tell us who holds the birth records and can provide a copy of the certificate.
So great and wise forum, has anyone out there tried a similar quest? Has anyone tried to get a copy of a birth certificate for a child born overseas to serving military personnel. If so, where die you go?
Ogre
I wonder if anyone can help me..
I was born at the David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta on 08th July 1973..
My father E.J.J Sav**e was a seamen serving the The Crown Royal Navy and was commissioned on "The Rhyl" at that time of my birth. My mother M. Sav**e is Maltese..
I am finding some difficulties to get a British birth certificate.. I do not know who signed off my Birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa on 08th July 1973.. In this instance my mum has given me an indication that the Cesarean section doctor who gave birth to me was Dr. Jackson at the time which i am assuming he registered and signed off the Royal Navy births at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta back in 1973.. Is there anyone who can help me and maybe indicate where i can get and find this information as it is very important and I need get this Birth Certificate to pass it on to the Home Office.. Now, I currently need to get a copy of my birth certificate which I have made contact with the General Register Office (GRO) earlier today, but the GRO can't find any records of my birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta.. I done some further digging and tried The UK National Archives and I`m not getting any positive feedback either who holds these birth records for overseas births and can provide me with a copy of the certificate.
Can anyone who`s experienced the same issues please help me..
Thanks
JSavage
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my mum was born in rinteln germany 5th april 1960.
why we confused as family secret to who her father was and what secret about her birth.
she was born in military camp when her supposed father served royal air force.
she has two birth certificates with different information.
two different birth registered dates one was 1 year later, and two different father rank signed as notification.
Where can we find out her true birth record and information on this matter?
why we confused as family secret to who her father was and what secret about her birth.
she was born in military camp when her supposed father served royal air force.
she has two birth certificates with different information.
two different birth registered dates one was 1 year later, and two different father rank signed as notification.
Where can we find out her true birth record and information on this matter?
If the certificates you have are copies of official records then going to the source is unlikely to show anything different. Such records as Wegberg or Rinteln held are likely to be in an archive.
I was born in Egypt in 1949 and my birth certificate was issued by HQ 205 Group RAF MEAF signed by a Wg Cdr at RAF Shallufah and a Sqn Ldr at HQ 205 group. I have taken great care of it as I am not sure whether I could ever get it replaced! If nothing else it is now probably a rare historical document.
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My daughter was born in Kuala Belait, Brunei, in 2007. We had to take the Bruneian birth certificate to the High Commission to get a UK version, then get her UK passport, then the residence stamp, (all within 60 days or she'd have been classed as an illegal resident). Slightly complicated by the fact that Mrs Heidhurtin is Belizean by birth, although naturalised UK citizen at the time of birth. Sorted by the BHC who were great.
My daughter's travelled with me many times to the USA using the ESTA process and never had a problem despite putting Kuala Belait as the place of birth. I haven't, however, tried to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, both originals are closely guarded. This thread is a useful pre-warning......
My daughter's travelled with me many times to the USA using the ESTA process and never had a problem despite putting Kuala Belait as the place of birth. I haven't, however, tried to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, both originals are closely guarded. This thread is a useful pre-warning......
We keep all documents of this type. plus passports and insurance policies in a lockable fireproof box in a locked steel filing cabinet - belt & braces. We also have copies of the photo page of our passports on our phones. Now where did I put the keys?
My daughter was born in Kuala Belait, Brunei, in 2007. We had to take the Bruneian birth certificate to the High Commission to get a UK version, then get her UK passport, then the residence stamp, (all within 60 days or she'd have been classed as an illegal resident). Slightly complicated by the fact that Mrs Heidhurtin is Belizean by birth, although naturalised UK citizen at the time of birth. Sorted by the BHC who were great.
My daughter's travelled with me many times to the USA using the ESTA process and never had a problem despite putting Kuala Belait as the place of birth. I haven't, however, tried to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, both originals are closely guarded. This thread is a useful pre-warning......
My daughter's travelled with me many times to the USA using the ESTA process and never had a problem despite putting Kuala Belait as the place of birth. I haven't, however, tried to obtain a copy of her birth certificate, both originals are closely guarded. This thread is a useful pre-warning......
I was also born in Malta at the RNH at Mtarfa (incidentally now a secondary school) to serving British parents (RN) and have a Maltese birth certificate. Never any problems with UK passport or travel.
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"On entering the USA, the Border Control officer would not let him enter stating that as he was Cypriot (place of birth Akrotiri Cyprus on British Passport
), he was ineligible for the Visa Waiver Programme."
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Agreed, I was referring to an earlier post, copied below 'cos I don't know how to quote 2 posts in one reply, but just realised that it's from 2011.......
"On entering the USA, the Border Control officer would not let him enter stating that as he was Cypriot (place of birth Akrotiri Cyprus on British Passport), he was ineligible for the Visa Waiver Programme."
"On entering the USA, the Border Control officer would not let him enter stating that as he was Cypriot (place of birth Akrotiri Cyprus on British Passport
), he was ineligible for the Visa Waiver Programme."Join Date: Jan 2008
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Fond memories of the 212's and 7 Flt, all gone now I hear. Replaced by Pumas, I wonder how well they're doing.....
"On entering the USA, the Border Control officer would not let him enter stating that as he was Cypriot (place of birth Akrotiri Cyprus on British Passport), he was ineligible for the Visa Waiver Programme."
), he was ineligible for the Visa Waiver Programme."
Curious read. Caught my attention on a housebound day, but get this folks. Yes, agreed ; the US Visa waiver stuff is based upon citizenship, not place of birth.
The Brunei case was a flashback. Based in Bahrain, we had tons of expats living illegally in the Kingdom. Some had kids born there and fell into the 60 day grace period.
My case is a right larf. Born in British India pre-partition, of British parents (Dad a Major in the British Army, oft called the British Indian Army (!). I entered the earth plane existence in Secunderabad, a Princely State within Hyderabad and, technically, not part, therefore of "British India" but it is where the British Military Hospital was. Gees, immagine, over the years, the fun I have had with that little lot.
Travelled all over the world on my parent's passports. Holding a UK passport does not, necessarily mean that one is a UK Citizen. Don't know if it is still in use but we were all issued with UK passports but it had on the title page, "British Subject with the right of abode in the United Kingdom".
As a Viscount First Officer with Northeast Airlines at Leeds Bradford, my middle Sis warned me to change my status to "citizen" as there was something going on that I was blissfully unaware of. Big sis escaped the toxic home environment to Elba, Italy, married at the first opportunity to a local waiter ,kept her Brit Subject status but was warned that she would have to choose between Italian status or British status under the new rules
I investigated and was offered quick paper-work and interview to become a UK Citizen or become an Indian. I would lose my right of abode too. Blimey, not making this up. I asked the Leeds lot that since I was seeing a Russian chic, could I be a "Red-Indian" but nische bloke from Wakefield didn't even giggle.
Interview was even funnier. Middle-aged Lady with delightful hat covered in plastic fruit stepped me through the swearing-in process in a luvley northern accent. Faced with a Secunderabadian, (turned out looking like the Head-waiter from the Balti..........another really long story...........) she was very slow and deliberate in asking me to repeat her words. Astonished by my cut-glass BBC accent(southern) she nearly fell of her chair, expecting an Indian accent. She looked in admiration and said; " May I say Gordon, you do have a loovlee accent "..
So, all you lot born in British Military hospitals in places that were not under British Rule, check you are not holding a passport that shows you to be a British Subject.
Awaiting the Nazeem of Secunderabad to tell me that I am in line for a massive "local" citizen share of millions of rupees. I will drop the "Bort I'm BRITISH.....thru and thru...." !
The Brunei case was a flashback. Based in Bahrain, we had tons of expats living illegally in the Kingdom. Some had kids born there and fell into the 60 day grace period.
My case is a right larf. Born in British India pre-partition, of British parents (Dad a Major in the British Army, oft called the British Indian Army (!). I entered the earth plane existence in Secunderabad, a Princely State within Hyderabad and, technically, not part, therefore of "British India" but it is where the British Military Hospital was. Gees, immagine, over the years, the fun I have had with that little lot.
Travelled all over the world on my parent's passports. Holding a UK passport does not, necessarily mean that one is a UK Citizen. Don't know if it is still in use but we were all issued with UK passports but it had on the title page, "British Subject with the right of abode in the United Kingdom".
As a Viscount First Officer with Northeast Airlines at Leeds Bradford, my middle Sis warned me to change my status to "citizen" as there was something going on that I was blissfully unaware of. Big sis escaped the toxic home environment to Elba, Italy, married at the first opportunity to a local waiter ,kept her Brit Subject status but was warned that she would have to choose between Italian status or British status under the new rules
I investigated and was offered quick paper-work and interview to become a UK Citizen or become an Indian. I would lose my right of abode too. Blimey, not making this up. I asked the Leeds lot that since I was seeing a Russian chic, could I be a "Red-Indian" but nische bloke from Wakefield didn't even giggle.
Interview was even funnier. Middle-aged Lady with delightful hat covered in plastic fruit stepped me through the swearing-in process in a luvley northern accent. Faced with a Secunderabadian, (turned out looking like the Head-waiter from the Balti..........another really long story...........) she was very slow and deliberate in asking me to repeat her words. Astonished by my cut-glass BBC accent(southern) she nearly fell of her chair, expecting an Indian accent. She looked in admiration and said; " May I say Gordon, you do have a loovlee accent "..
So, all you lot born in British Military hospitals in places that were not under British Rule, check you are not holding a passport that shows you to be a British Subject.
Awaiting the Nazeem of Secunderabad to tell me that I am in line for a massive "local" citizen share of millions of rupees. I will drop the "Bort I'm BRITISH.....thru and thru...." !
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the US Visa waiver stuff is based upon citizenship, not place of birth.
Mil ; It probably also asks, specifically for "Citizenship" detail, then, place of birth. With the waiver programme, had I pitched up with a British passport showing place of birth as Secunderabad and British Subject status, I too might have been in for some serious jail potential Q and A's.
When the programme started, I was planning on USA leave. I checked with the British Council & the American Embassy. Both were very clear that the waiver was for "Citizens". Were I to have had in possession the old passport with "British Subject" status I would not have been granted entry.
Leeds, 1972, I obtained a certificate of registration changing my status. Subsequent passport renewals just showed " citizen "automatically...
I never had any problems but got some seriously funny looks at Border Security, mostly USA and UK (would you believe) when close inspection of my Brit passport, as a Brit Citizen, showed this very odd place of birth. Never denied entry anywhere but in the UK, one time, pretty Indian Security Officer had to call for Supervisor in case me, looking like an Aab terrorist, in my best Amani going away suit, resident of an Arabian Gulf STate was all that I said I was. It was just after 9-11.
Cleared, asked her if she fancied a curry but got a real dagger look.
When the programme started, I was planning on USA leave. I checked with the British Council & the American Embassy. Both were very clear that the waiver was for "Citizens". Were I to have had in possession the old passport with "British Subject" status I would not have been granted entry.
Leeds, 1972, I obtained a certificate of registration changing my status. Subsequent passport renewals just showed " citizen "automatically...
I never had any problems but got some seriously funny looks at Border Security, mostly USA and UK (would you believe) when close inspection of my Brit passport, as a Brit Citizen, showed this very odd place of birth. Never denied entry anywhere but in the UK, one time, pretty Indian Security Officer had to call for Supervisor in case me, looking like an Aab terrorist, in my best Amani going away suit, resident of an Arabian Gulf STate was all that I said I was. It was just after 9-11.
Cleared, asked her if she fancied a curry but got a real dagger look.
Mil ; It probably also asks, specifically for "Citizenship" detail, then, place of birth. With the waiver programme, had I pitched up with a British passport showing place of birth as Secunderabad and British Subject status, I too might have been in for some serious jail potential Q and A's.
When the programme started, I was planning on USA leave. I checked with the British Council & the American Embassy. Both were very clear that the waiver was for "Citizens". Were I to have had in possession the old passport with "British Subject" status I would not have been granted entry.
Leeds, 1972, I obtained a certificate of registration changing my status. Subsequent passport renewals just showed " citizen "automatically...
I never had any problems but got some seriously funny looks at Border Security, mostly USA and UK (would you believe) when close inspection of my Brit passport, as a Brit Citizen, showed this very odd place of birth. Never denied entry anywhere but in the UK, one time, pretty Indian Security Officer had to call for Supervisor in case me, looking like an Aab terrorist, in my best Amani going away suit, resident of an Arabian Gulf STate was all that I said I was. It was just after 9-11.
Cleared, asked her if she fancied a curry but got a real dagger look.
When the programme started, I was planning on USA leave. I checked with the British Council & the American Embassy. Both were very clear that the waiver was for "Citizens". Were I to have had in possession the old passport with "British Subject" status I would not have been granted entry.
Leeds, 1972, I obtained a certificate of registration changing my status. Subsequent passport renewals just showed " citizen "automatically...
I never had any problems but got some seriously funny looks at Border Security, mostly USA and UK (would you believe) when close inspection of my Brit passport, as a Brit Citizen, showed this very odd place of birth. Never denied entry anywhere but in the UK, one time, pretty Indian Security Officer had to call for Supervisor in case me, looking like an Aab terrorist, in my best Amani going away suit, resident of an Arabian Gulf STate was all that I said I was. It was just after 9-11.
Cleared, asked her if she fancied a curry but got a real dagger look.
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I wonder if anyone can help me..
I was born at the David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta on 08th July 1973..
My father E.J.J Sav**e was a seamen serving the The Crown Royal Navy and was commissioned on "The Rhyl" at that time of my birth. My mother M. Sav**e is Maltese..
I am finding some difficulties to get a British birth certificate.. I do not know who signed off my Birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa on 08th July 1973.. In this instance my mum has given me an indication that the Cesarean section doctor who gave birth to me was Dr. Jackson at the time which i am assuming he registered and signed off the Royal Navy births at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta back in 1973.. Is there anyone who can help me and maybe indicate where i can get and find this information as it is very important and I need get this Birth Certificate to pass it on to the Home Office.. Now, I currently need to get a copy of my birth certificate which I have made contact with the General Register Office (GRO) earlier today, but the GRO can't find any records of my birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta.. I done some further digging and tried The UK National Archives and I`m not getting any positive feedback either who holds these birth records for overseas births and can provide me with a copy of the certificate.
Can anyone who`s experienced the same issues please help me..
Thanks
JSavage
I wonder if anyone can help me..
I was born at the David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta on 08th July 1973..
My father E.J.J Sav**e was a seamen serving the The Crown Royal Navy and was commissioned on "The Rhyl" at that time of my birth. My mother M. Sav**e is Maltese..
I am finding some difficulties to get a British birth certificate.. I do not know who signed off my Birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa on 08th July 1973.. In this instance my mum has given me an indication that the Cesarean section doctor who gave birth to me was Dr. Jackson at the time which i am assuming he registered and signed off the Royal Navy births at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta back in 1973.. Is there anyone who can help me and maybe indicate where i can get and find this information as it is very important and I need get this Birth Certificate to pass it on to the Home Office.. Now, I currently need to get a copy of my birth certificate which I have made contact with the General Register Office (GRO) earlier today, but the GRO can't find any records of my birth at David Bruce RNH, Mtarfa, Malta.. I done some further digging and tried The UK National Archives and I`m not getting any positive feedback either who holds these birth records for overseas births and can provide me with a copy of the certificate.
Can anyone who`s experienced the same issues please help me..
Thanks
JSavage
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