LIBYA (Merged) Use this thread ONLY
Big panels do come off sometimes, had one upper engine duct panel start flapping about on my F3 Tornado once. Got it down without the panel breaking free.
F-15 panel might have ripped off in the crash. Could have been taken off by souvenir hunters.
Think we need an F-15 rigger on this one.
Has anybody checked ebay today? No 'business men' like the average Arab.
F-15 panel might have ripped off in the crash. Could have been taken off by souvenir hunters.
Think we need an F-15 rigger on this one.
Has anybody checked ebay today? No 'business men' like the average Arab.
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This is the hydraulic actuator:
For the composite air brake:
Clearly it was completely consumed in the fire.
The frames and skin forward of the actuator attach point are aluminium, aft are titanium.
For the composite air brake:
Clearly it was completely consumed in the fire.
The frames and skin forward of the actuator attach point are aluminium, aft are titanium.
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Rollocking received & understood, Mods. Just trying to inject a little humour, via my post which you have chosen to delete.
I'm sure even the guys on the Front Line are still capable of the odd chuckle.......
Point taken tho'; best behaviour henceforth
I'm sure even the guys on the Front Line are still capable of the odd chuckle.......
Point taken tho'; best behaviour henceforth
Linking quickly from thread creep to mission creep -
Will missions be generated to get the Arab air forces into the fray?
I expect it would help the PR no end if the Qataris or Saudis dropped a few bombs. AD probably isn't "visible" enough.
Thoughts?
Will missions be generated to get the Arab air forces into the fray?
I expect it would help the PR no end if the Qataris or Saudis dropped a few bombs. AD probably isn't "visible" enough.
Thoughts?
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Why not if it helps achieve the mission and isn't it important to get them involved ?
Just a case of finding a suitable target which I am sure could be achieved.
Why not if it helps achieve the mission and isn't it important to get them involved ?
Just a case of finding a suitable target which I am sure could be achieved.
F-22, err, no thanks!
F-22 lacks full Link 16: inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft.The designers of the F-22 had a dilemma, which is whether to have the connectivity that would allow versatility or to have the radio silence that would facilitate stealthiness. What they opted for was a limited set of tactical data links.
The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.
Limitations keep F-22 from use in Libya ops due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets.
The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.
Limitations keep F-22 from use in Libya ops due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets.
However, surely operating with Link16 in conditional radio silence during 'stealth' parts of the mission would have been sufficient? The type of coalition action now in progress highlights yet again why all 'players' MUST be Link16-enabled to avoid fratricide and to enhance situational awareness.
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F-22s' Data Link Control Panel doesn't have a OFF/STBY/NORM/RADIO SILENT selection switch?
Can't see a problem with antenna if it can receive said signal.
Hmmmmmm
Can't see a problem with antenna if it can receive said signal.
Hmmmmmm
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No problem if they can do it well and it's a genuine target. Not certain that both these requirements would stop the average politician requesting a strike anyway, and the lack of command structure at present probably makes it easier for such requests to get actioned.
Forgive my cynicism; I've read history books.
"...and if any civilian casualties are caused, 'tis probably better that it's done by other Arabs" is, I suspect, being said in all political back offices around now.
No problem if they can do it well and it's a genuine target. Not certain that both these requirements would stop the average politician requesting a strike anyway, and the lack of command structure at present probably makes it easier for such requests to get actioned.
Forgive my cynicism; I've read history books.
"...and if any civilian casualties are caused, 'tis probably better that it's done by other Arabs" is, I suspect, being said in all political back offices around now.
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Not sure stealth is relevant in a mission where visibility is the key to a deterrent to flying.
Cynical? Moi?
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Middle Eastern Red Flag Participants??
It is good to see support coming from Arab nations, eg Quatar and Saudi.
. I wish then safe ops and a safe return when this is all over.
One question though is on their ability to inter-operate with "NATO-esque" ops and to see just how many foreigh nations have "cut the mustard" at Red Flag / Maple Flag exercises?
Is their training, tactics and doctrine based on the way we go about the business? I suspect that flying similar ac helps but an F16A/B is a different beastie to an F16 D/E.......
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. I wish then safe ops and a safe return when this is all over.One question though is on their ability to inter-operate with "NATO-esque" ops and to see just how many foreigh nations have "cut the mustard" at Red Flag / Maple Flag exercises?
Is their training, tactics and doctrine based on the way we go about the business? I suspect that flying similar ac helps but an F16A/B is a different beastie to an F16 D/E.......
MB
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I'm hugely pleased to see other Arab nations contributing. It stops The Duck talking about 'Crusaders' for a start, and at the same time [hopefully] gives other Arab nations some credibility in this context.
It is, after all, fundamentally ...
The foregoing obviously excludes Humanitarian aspects, Western oil interests, NATO's Southern Flank ... and the fact that there are many countries where similar interventions could be considered justifiable
It is, after all, fundamentally ...
- An internal Libyan issue.
- An African/Arab issue.
The foregoing obviously excludes Humanitarian aspects, Western oil interests, NATO's Southern Flank ... and the fact that there are many countries where similar interventions could be considered justifiable
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The 'Meeja' report that Qatari fighters had to lob in to Larnaca (Cyprus) declaring a fuel emergency "having been blown off course."
Blown off course? That's a good start.
Blown off course? That's a good start.