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F-15E crash
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"As I understand the media report, a Strike Eagle (F-15E) had a problem at high altitude, crew ejected..."
From the two photos published by the Telegraph, have to opine that the main wreckage area is very concentrated, and the main part of the fuselage and centre-section, at least, look to have been substantially intact after impact - prior to the fire. Could this have been a forced landing, or an attempt at one?
"As I understand the media report, a Strike Eagle (F-15E) had a problem at high altitude, crew ejected..."
From the two photos published by the Telegraph, have to opine that the main wreckage area is very concentrated, and the main part of the fuselage and centre-section, at least, look to have been substantially intact after impact - prior to the fire. Could this have been a forced landing, or an attempt at one?
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"...... the moral high ground."
"I got the impression that this was safely in the hands of Australian politicians."
As TBM said.
They like to think that but I am afraid they are just like every other pollie around the world. Full of hot air.
Good to hear the crew of the F15 are safe. If it crashed Monday as they said, good to see the US kept that quiet for a while.
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"I got the impression that this was safely in the hands of Australian politicians."
As TBM said.
They like to think that but I am afraid they are just like every other pollie around the world. Full of hot air.
Good to hear the crew of the F15 are safe. If it crashed Monday as they said, good to see the US kept that quiet for a while.
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Looking at the coverage of the site of the F15 it's compact mainly concentrated. After viewing a snap of an event of many years ago, when we had a unrecoverable flat spin and ejected in this case at around 6,000 ft it looked similar. It would be interesting to see the position of canopy and seats as in my case it was a rough line away from the main wreckage. But a little closer than we would have liked to the main wreck.*
Could this have been a forced landing, or an attempt at one?
It the rebels hadn't found the wreckage, I wonder how long it would have been before the coalition admitted that they'd lost an aircraft, even after the crew had been recovered?
BOAC wrote,
The Russians mounted increased flights during Kosovo in 1999. There will be no problem if they do attempt to swamp UK QRA. If push comes to shove then the F-15Cs at RAF Lakenheath could assist?
TJ
I would not be surprised if Ivan did not launch, say, a pair of Bears every 6 hours down the Iceland/Faroes to see how our remaining IAF copes
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I am sure that all crews are suitably supplied with the usual gold coins and US dollars to bribe if needed, also the standard gooli chit as was the norm in operations over the Yemen in the 60s. Still have mine in reserve if needed.
It the rebels hadn't found the wreckage, I wonder how long it would have been before the coalition admitted that they'd lost an aircraft, even after the crew had been recovered?
This is not some *****g video game you know.
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"It the rebels hadn't found the wreckage, I wonder how long it would have been before the coalition admitted that they'd lost an aircraft, even after the crew had been recovered?"
Why admit anything ?
If no one had found the wreckage, does it matter as long as the crew are safe ?
Why admit anything ?
If no one had found the wreckage, does it matter as long as the crew are safe ?
dead pan wrote,
Why, are you into conspiracy theories? Once the crew is rescued that is it and the info is released to the media. The Yugoslavs and Russians tried to push that propaganda tactic during Allied Force in 1999.
In fact some Serb military are still doing it to this day. The Serb Commander, Lt. Col. Djordje Anicic, of the 250th Missile Brigade still thinks that he shot down B-2 Spirit of Missouri, serial 88-0329, and that it crashed and was covered up by NATO.
He still makes this claim even though that B-2 airframe is covered by START treaty and accountable under verification procedures. That would mean that the Russians have been sitting on the information since 1999.
Lt. Col. Djordje Anicic in interview.
It the rebels hadn't found the wreckage, I wonder how long it would have been before the coalition admitted that they'd lost an aircraft, even after the crew had been recovered?
In fact some Serb military are still doing it to this day. The Serb Commander, Lt. Col. Djordje Anicic, of the 250th Missile Brigade still thinks that he shot down B-2 Spirit of Missouri, serial 88-0329, and that it crashed and was covered up by NATO.
He still makes this claim even though that B-2 airframe is covered by START treaty and accountable under verification procedures. That would mean that the Russians have been sitting on the information since 1999.
Lt. Col. Djordje Anicic in interview.
They even have to make sure the Spirit of Missouri is noted displaying at airshows in order to keep the ruse going?
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Unfortunately with the coverage from the news and the general*
Feeling from the great unwashed, the actual danger and risk is lost. In general maybe Mr. Public looks at this as a video game.**
Feeling from the great unwashed, the actual danger and risk is lost. In general maybe Mr. Public looks at this as a video game.**
This is not some *****g video game you know.
Why admit anything ?
The US says they ejected.
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F-15E Incident In Libya; Crew Recovered
(Source: US Air Force; issued March 22, 2011)
USS MOUNT WHITNEY, Mediterranean Sea --- Two crew members ejected from their U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle when the aircraft experienced equipment malfunction over northeast, Libya, March 21, at approximately 10:30 p.m. CET.
Both crew members ejected and are safe.
The aircraft, based out of Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, was flying out of Aviano Air Base in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn at the time of the incident.
The cause of the incident is under investigation.
The identities will be released after the next of kin have been notified.
(Source: US Air Force; issued March 22, 2011)
USS MOUNT WHITNEY, Mediterranean Sea --- Two crew members ejected from their U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle when the aircraft experienced equipment malfunction over northeast, Libya, March 21, at approximately 10:30 p.m. CET.
Both crew members ejected and are safe.
The aircraft, based out of Royal Air Force Lakenheath, England, was flying out of Aviano Air Base in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn at the time of the incident.
The cause of the incident is under investigation.
The identities will be released after the next of kin have been notified.
It is a big old beastie - longer than a B2, I recall.
Any sign of the Qataris yet? Or have they stopped off in Beirut for some R+R?
Editted to add: should read 'slightly shorter than a B2'
Any sign of the Qataris yet? Or have they stopped off in Beirut for some R+R?
Editted to add: should read 'slightly shorter than a B2'
Chris Scott wrote,
You will be surprised how much wreckage remains after a crash from height. These two Yugoslav MiG-29s were shot down by USAF F-15s over Bosnia in 1999. The audio of the engagement was recorded by radio enthusiasts with the height recorded around 20,000 feet. The Pilot of this aircraft recounted that he ejected immediately after being hit by an AMRAAM.
Video and account of the rescue of the two crew of the F-15E.
US jet crashes in Libya: airman would not have known if he approached friend or foe - Telegraph
After ejection there is also the possibility that the aircraft can continue to fly. The following link details how an F-106 pilot ejected at 15,000 feet during a spin. The aircraft made a landing on its belly, was recovered and put back into service.
F-106 Delta Dart - 58-0787 Pilotless Landing
TJ
From the two photos published by the Telegraph, have to opine that the main wreckage area is very concentrated, and the main part of the fuselage and centre-section, at least, look to have been substantially intact after impact - prior to the fire. Could this have been a forced landing, or an attempt at one?
Video and account of the rescue of the two crew of the F-15E.
US jet crashes in Libya: airman would not have known if he approached friend or foe - Telegraph
After ejection there is also the possibility that the aircraft can continue to fly. The following link details how an F-106 pilot ejected at 15,000 feet during a spin. The aircraft made a landing on its belly, was recovered and put back into service.
F-106 Delta Dart - 58-0787 Pilotless Landing
TJ
outhouse,
Having seen this video of the wreckage:
Libya: US fighter jet crash lands in field near Benghazi - Telegraph
I take your point about the possibility of high V/S, low IAS at impact.
[EDIT] PS:
TEEEJ, We crossed in the post. Interesting pics, thanks.
Having seen this video of the wreckage:
Libya: US fighter jet crash lands in field near Benghazi - Telegraph
I take your point about the possibility of high V/S, low IAS at impact.
[EDIT] PS:
TEEEJ, We crossed in the post. Interesting pics, thanks.