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Today, yesterday, tomorrow and the next day or at anytime in the future will any planes
including Rafale's be in operation over Lybia !
However, yesterday the coalition planes were in operation over Libya
and at a guess the planes will be again in the future !
including Rafale's be in operation over Lybia !
However, yesterday the coalition planes were in operation over Libya
and at a guess the planes will be again in the future !
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North Korea supplying the rebels? If the rebels are paying for their bullets, a very profitable enterprise for Master Kim, I'd be guessing.
Speaking of ammunition usage, I'd love to know the proportion of ammunitiion used in combat by the rebels versus that fired into the air whenever a TV camera crew looms into view.
Speaking of ammunition usage, I'd love to know the proportion of ammunitiion used in combat by the rebels versus that fired into the air whenever a TV camera crew looms into view.
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I think as someone said in a previous post, Kim supplied the Colonel
and the rebels have grabbed the ammo from one of the dumps.
I couldn't see a ship from North Korea getting through the blockade.
and the rebels have grabbed the ammo from one of the dumps.
I couldn't see a ship from North Korea getting through the blockade.
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"What I mean is, the best fighter operating over Lybia is the RAFALE.
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Xerox
I know what you were saying, I was having a joke that no place called Lybia exists. It is spelt Libya
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I know what you were saying, I was having a joke that no place called Lybia exists. It is spelt Libya
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Xerox25 - Have you a pack of 'Libya Edition' Top Trumps then?
'Best'. A difficult word to quantify when the majority of the 'iffy' opposition assets were laid to waste via the medium of TLAM.
It's also difficult to quantify when a large amount of the targeting information the Rafales are using comes from other sources, including the comparatively long in tooth Tornado.
'Best'. A difficult word to quantify when the majority of the 'iffy' opposition assets were laid to waste via the medium of TLAM.
It's also difficult to quantify when a large amount of the targeting information the Rafales are using comes from other sources, including the comparatively long in tooth Tornado.
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The "rebels" seem to be getting a bit more organized as opposed to just charging in. I see in one report that the rebels told other rebels who only had AK's et al to go back and only heavy weapons at the front of the advance.
That's at least a start of some sort of organisation !
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That's at least a start of some sort of organisation !
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Given that the rebel leader himself is an AQ sympathiser who has fought the Coalition in AFG, and that men he has recruited have also fought the Coalition in AFG, it's no surprise that the organisation is getting better!
Thank God that we're now all on the same side and can fight shoulder to shoulder with AQ against a common enemy! Great move by the French, Brit and American governments
Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph
Given that the rebel leader himself is an AQ sympathiser who has fought the Coalition in AFG, and that men he has recruited have also fought the Coalition in AFG, it's no surprise that the organisation is getting better!
Thank God that we're now all on the same side and can fight shoulder to shoulder with AQ against a common enemy! Great move by the French, Brit and American governments
Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph
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Given that the rebel leader himself is an AQ sympathiser who has fought the Coalition in AFG, and that men he has recruited have also fought the Coalition in AFG, it's no surprise that the organisation is getting better!
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"Great move by the French, Brit and American governments "
I hope they don't arm or supply arms to them as some have been saying they might do. I would prefer pushing the envelope of the UN mandate
than supplying arms, not sure how they would go about it (boots on ground not being a good idea).
"I hope they don't arm or supply arms to them as some have been saying they might do. I would prefer pushing the envelope of the UN mandate
than supplying arms, not sure how they would go about it (boots on ground not being a good idea).
It long been acknowledged that eastern Libya supplied the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq.
I cannot find any independent figures that support your assertion.
Over a period of around four years (2005 - 2009), various public domain analyses put Libya at supplying between 9% and 18% of fighters in Iraq. By contrast, the figures for Saudi range from about 45% to 55%.
On this basis, Libya (Eastern or otherwise) did not at any point supply 'the majority of foreign fighters in Iraq'.
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Ewan - Are you saying sources within the glourious Kingdom of Saudi Arabia were providing the lion's share of weapons to insurgents in Iraq?
Surely we should have pushed for some sort of mandate via the UN in order to deal with them then.................?
Surely we should have pushed for some sort of mandate via the UN in order to deal with them then.................?
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Ah, Stacker, there lies the everlasting conundrum of Global Politics and National Interests!
Source? Acknowledged by whom?
At the peak of the Iraqi insurgency, more jihadists per capita traveled to join al Qaeda in Iraq from Libya than from any other country. And according to al Qaeda records seized by the U.S. Army in Iraq, in 2006-07 more volunteers -- a total of 53 -- travelled to Iraq from Derna than any other city in the Arab world. And in the 1990s, Benotman's group had tried to establish a safe haven in Derna, eventually being bombed into submission by the Libyan air force.
From the CNN web-site:
However, I do accept the implication of this quote.
It does seem odd that our leaders are only now making any serious efforts to find out who the rebels are and what they are after
Ewan - Are you saying sources within the glourious Kingdom of Saudi Arabia were providing the lion's share of weapons to insurgents in Iraq?
Surely we should have pushed for some sort of mandate via the UN in order to deal with them then.................?
Surely we should have pushed for some sort of mandate via the UN in order to deal with them then.................?
Not sure about weapons, but people, certainly.
Frankly, the double standards that exist in the interests of political and economic expediency are staggering.
I just don't know how politicians do it. While I can in a way understand why they don't really have much flexibility to do things differently, I do have a real problem with our government taking us into yet another conflict when we haven't the money, resources or even the moral high ground from/with which to do it.
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For Ewan:
I just don't know how politicians do it.
I just read President Obama's speech, and given that he's been pushed to explain what he's doing, he did a good enough job of explaining the why. Not scintillating, but good enough.
I heard a bunch of pundits attempting to describe the Obama Doctrine:
"When I am left with having to act due to the pressure of politics and events, I'll do something."
That so far is the Obama doctrine ... see Afghanistan Surge, the changing pact of Iraq drawdown ... this latest fun and games in Libya ... it appears to be the doctrine of political expedience.
So be it, he's a pol, and in the West it's the Pols who decide where they want the armed aircraft, armed troops, and armed ships to go and blow things up.
With that thought in mind, isn't it antithetical to a pilots' forum to support something that is all about Not Flying?
Should we not be against a No Fly Zone by professional instinct?
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Frankly, the double standards that exist in the interests of political and economic expediency are staggering.
I just don't know how politicians do it. While I can in a way understand why they don't really have much flexibility to do things differently, I do have a real problem with our government taking us into yet another conflict when we haven't the money, resources or even the moral high ground from/with which to do it.
I just don't know how politicians do it. While I can in a way understand why they don't really have much flexibility to do things differently, I do have a real problem with our government taking us into yet another conflict when we haven't the money, resources or even the moral high ground from/with which to do it.