F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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with the Sukhoi PAK FA apparently now due for full production in 2017 and intended service fairly soon thereafter, what do we now see as the advantages (if any) of F35?
While there is little likelihood of our coming into conflict with Russia, there is no guarantee as to whom they will sell it to. Iran?
If we found ourselves opposed to such a force, could we field the F35 with any confidence?
While there is little likelihood of our coming into conflict with Russia, there is no guarantee as to whom they will sell it to. Iran?
If we found ourselves opposed to such a force, could we field the F35 with any confidence?
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I think they are letting us down gently-you know...
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External stores are for when the F-35s have killed everything else in the air and all the SAMs on day one (as they call it).
Hey gr. If it doesn't work on the first day then, well, ..... b*gger! A pretty hard and expensive lesson to learn. Let's just hope the experts have gotten it right.
Awesome, MSOCS.
Given the USMC's IOC declaration last year, it's almost a shame that there's no current military operation where the jet's fused sensors and Z-axis networked capability would be valuable, and there's a latest-generation SAM threat in theater to make the JSF's stealth particularly valuable.
Wait, what?
Given the USMC's IOC declaration last year, it's almost a shame that there's no current military operation where the jet's fused sensors and Z-axis networked capability would be valuable, and there's a latest-generation SAM threat in theater to make the JSF's stealth particularly valuable.
Wait, what?
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Awesome, MSOCS.
Given the USMC's IOC declaration last year, it's almost a shame that there's no current military operation where the jet's fused sensors and Z-axis networked capability would be valuable, and there's a latest-generation SAM threat in theater to make the JSF's stealth particularly valuable.
Wait, what?
Given the USMC's IOC declaration last year, it's almost a shame that there's no current military operation where the jet's fused sensors and Z-axis networked capability would be valuable, and there's a latest-generation SAM threat in theater to make the JSF's stealth particularly valuable.
Wait, what?
There is no serious threat to old school US aircraft from the Russians
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Originally Posted by Tourist
IOC does not mean front line
Initial operating capability or Initial operational capability (IOC) is the state achieved when a capability is available in its minimum usefully deployable form. The term is often used in government or military procurement.
The United States Department of Defense chooses to use the term Initial Operational Capability (versus initial "operating" capability) when referring to IOC. For a U.S. Department of Defense military acquisition, IOC includes operating the training and maintaining parts of the overall system per DOTMLPF, and is defined[3] as 'In general, attained when some units and/or organizations in the force structure scheduled to receive a system have received it and have the ability to employ and maintain it.
The United States Department of Defense chooses to use the term Initial Operational Capability (versus initial "operating" capability) when referring to IOC. For a U.S. Department of Defense military acquisition, IOC includes operating the training and maintaining parts of the overall system per DOTMLPF, and is defined[3] as 'In general, attained when some units and/or organizations in the force structure scheduled to receive a system have received it and have the ability to employ and maintain it.
"I am pleased to announce that VMFA-121 has achieved initial operational capability in the F-35B, as defined by requirements outlined in the June 2014 Joint Report to Congressional Defense Committees," Dunford said in a statement. "VMFA-121 has ten aircraft in the Block 2B configuration with the requisite performance envelope and weapons clearances, to include the training, sustainment capabilities, and infrastructure to deploy to an austere site or a ship. It is capable of conducting close air support, offensive and defensive counter air, air interdiction, assault support escort and armed reconnaissance as part of a Marine Air Ground Task Force, or in support of the Joint Force."
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Mess around with words all you like, we all know what IOC means, and pretending that IOC means "immediately send it to the hot spots instead of the mature platforms" just shows desperation.
There is plenty wrong with the F35 program, but pretending that the fact that it is not over Syria now means it is somehow rubbish is moronic.
There is plenty wrong with the F35 program, but pretending that the fact that it is not over Syria now means it is somehow rubbish is moronic.
You can hardly say that MT giving the real meaning of IOC is "messing around with words".
Clearly you did not.
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we all know what IOC means
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This is nothing new and it certainly doesn't mean its war ready.
Well aware what it means, and well aware that it is a political thing rather than an actual capability.
So Dunford was telling porkies, then?
And if this harmless little toy is "no serious threat to old school aircraft", why are we spending $400bn on the new-school ones?
And, yes, I am sure that the Russians don't want to pickle one off at anything with stars and bars on it, but the silly
s probably didn't want to shoot down MH17 either, did they?
So Dunford was telling porkies, then?
And if this harmless little toy is "no serious threat to old school aircraft", why are we spending $400bn on the new-school ones?
And, yes, I am sure that the Russians don't want to pickle one off at anything with stars and bars on it, but the silly
s probably didn't want to shoot down MH17 either, did they?
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Possibly the Marines are going to put the 10 Block 2B IOCd F35s that they have on the USS Wasp and take them over to the Med and then fly them off to the new austere strip that the US has just lengthened, that was the subject of a thread: -
From BBC news 35 minutes ago
[URL="http://Syria conflict: 'US expanding air strip' in Kurdish north - BBC News"/URL]
What kind of use would a 1300 metre runway be put to use for beside Hercules muniton deliveries as mentioned and does this mean some form of escalation by the US? For deploying Marine F35Bs to make a point to members of PRUNE and the US Congress?
From BBC news 35 minutes ago
[URL="http://Syria conflict: 'US expanding air strip' in Kurdish north - BBC News"/URL]
What kind of use would a 1300 metre runway be put to use for beside Hercules muniton deliveries as mentioned and does this mean some form of escalation by the US? For deploying Marine F35Bs to make a point to members of PRUNE and the US Congress?
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Original Post by MSOCS:
Oooh, shudder at the thought... The USAF Chief of Air Combat Command's Advanced Air Dominance was to have said that he wakes up in a cold sweat at night at the thought of an F-35 going in (to combat) with only two air-dominance weapons.
Original Post by Heathrow Harry
I am betting on the year 2022 with no margin for continued program slippage. With the year 2022, to put things in perspective from a time point of view in the USA: If you were born in the year the JAST program started, today you would have graduated from medical school and be in your internship program. If you were born in the year the JSF program started, you would be in medical school. If you were born in the year the F-35 program started, you would be in your third year of university studies. So, if you go from JAST, you can soon apply for an antique/historic license plate.
Les Aspin was Secretary of Defense at the time and forced the design into a single airframe for three service. General M. McPeak complained bitterly that both costs and program difficulties would skyrocket upward. Subsequently, Aspin resigned as Secretary resulting from the American deaths which occurred in Somalia during the disastrous raid there. Between then and now, nobody had the guts to change the three service program single airframe mandate, so we are getting
It will be the next generation work horse for the various air forces around the world.
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can we run a sweepstake as to when we think it WILL be "war ready"??
It's been so long a-building that significiant parts of it must qualify for the museum..................
It's been so long a-building that significiant parts of it must qualify for the museum..................
Les Aspin was Secretary of Defense at the time and forced the design into a single airframe for three service. General M. McPeak complained bitterly that both costs and program difficulties would skyrocket upward. Subsequently, Aspin resigned as Secretary resulting from the American deaths which occurred in Somalia during the disastrous raid there. Between then and now, nobody had the guts to change the three service program single airframe mandate, so we are getting
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Operational testers flag F-35 software Issues
My apologies if this has already been covered..it seems quite a recent report.
Operational Testers Flag F-35 Software Issues « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary
Operational Testers Flag F-35 Software Issues « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary