F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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If Hostage is referring to RCS, he is at odds with O'bryan. That then brings into play the f-22/35 pilot who I recall saying the the f-35 has a smaller RCS in the search bands. If both Hostage and O'Byran are both talking RCS, are they both talking in the same bands?
By the way, from the link that the OzTroll supplies:
Three questions that all those export customers should answer to their voters: In what Block will those magic cyber capabilities appear? What guarantees have been provided that F-35 cyber weapons developed by the U.S. will be shared with non-U.S. operators? And, failing that, will international partners be enabled to program their own cyber-operations tools into the F-35?
We seem to have seen answers to those questions recently.
Three questions that all those export customers should answer to their voters: In what Block will those magic cyber capabilities appear? What guarantees have been provided that F-35 cyber weapons developed by the U.S. will be shared with non-U.S. operators? And, failing that, will international partners be enabled to program their own cyber-operations tools into the F-35?
We seem to have seen answers to those questions recently.
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I used the sweetman link to show even the fringe bloggers are reporting the quote that the f-35 stealth is better than f-22 , "also even sweetman, but you need to dig through the snide comments he makes "
as to you quoting sweetmans 'opinions', I guess that's up to you, Sweetman is at the level of Axe, APA and ELP. I've even seen him quote from among them
I wouldn't call them answers but you may have seen him expand his nonsense with a rubbish article about the RPL and EW
as to you quoting sweetmans 'opinions', I guess that's up to you, Sweetman is at the level of Axe, APA and ELP. I've even seen him quote from among them
I wouldn't call them answers but you may have seen him expand his nonsense with a rubbish article about the RPL and EW
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I used the sweetman link to show even the fringe bloggers are reporting the quote that the f-35 stealth is better than f-22 , "also even sweetman, but you need to dig through the snide comments he makes "
reality?? 
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I know that you encouraged me to wax lyrically about all I know, but you ask this
http://www.pprune.org/9212507-post8174.html
http://www.pprune.org/9212507-post8174.html
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I know that you encouraged me to wax lyrically about all I know, but you ask this
http://www.pprune.org/9212507-post8174.html
http://www.pprune.org/9212507-post8174.html
Here in the UK the politicians have manoeuvred themselves [in the widest sense] into purchasing the least effective variant of a dismally performing aircraft [referenced to the ORIGINAL SPECIFICATIONS]
This in turn has ensured the there will be no cross operability with any other significant naval air arm and has induced a spate of support airframes tailored to suit a gelded carrier [oh what of those great British Naval Aviation innovations]
So you won't be surprised if some of us haven't fully "bought in" to the dream.
"So you won't be surprised if some of us haven't fully "bought in" to the dream."
Isn't it just a crazy world we live in now? You know, the world where Putin praises Trump. Oh yeah, and the one where Trump says he's "honored" by Putin's praise. The F-35 sounds eminently more sane by comparison.
Isn't it just a crazy world we live in now? You know, the world where Putin praises Trump. Oh yeah, and the one where Trump says he's "honored" by Putin's praise. The F-35 sounds eminently more sane by comparison.
Actually, Glad Rag, that is a very relevant and timely remark.
The U.K. could have had a better model (the cost of the cats and traps was a ridiculous situation) and the performance baseline has been eroded to a level that is, shall we say, less than impressive. Maybe if you were a FAA operator, you might be grateful for a Harrier replacement - yes, I understand the differences. But I also understand the reservations and I think GR expresses that very well.
Here in the UK the politicians have manoeuvred themselves [in the widest sense] into purchasing the least effective variant of a dismally performing aircraft [referenced to the ORIGINAL SPECIFICATIONS]
This in turn has ensured the there will be no cross operability with any other significant naval air arm and has induced a spate of support airframes tailored to suit a gelded carrier [oh what of those great British Naval Aviation innovations]
So you won't be surprised if some of us haven't fully "bought in" to the dream.
This in turn has ensured the there will be no cross operability with any other significant naval air arm and has induced a spate of support airframes tailored to suit a gelded carrier [oh what of those great British Naval Aviation innovations]
So you won't be surprised if some of us haven't fully "bought in" to the dream.
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"So you won't be surprised if some of us haven't fully "bought in" to the dream."
Isn't it just a crazy world we live in now? You know, the world where Putin praises Trump. Oh yeah, and the one where Trump says he's "honored" by Putin's praise. The F-35 sounds eminently more sane by comparison.
Isn't it just a crazy world we live in now? You know, the world where Putin praises Trump. Oh yeah, and the one where Trump says he's "honored" by Putin's praise. The F-35 sounds eminently more sane by comparison.
Indeed the US and Russia are quite "cosy" just now.
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for some the news only gets worse from AvW,
As the U.S. Navy prepares its budget submissions for the upcoming fiscal year, the U.S. Defense Department wants the Navy to buy 31 more F-35Cs,
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The fascinating question, of course, is "31 more than what"?
“To meet the expanding adversary fighter threat, we will procure 31 additional F-35C relative to the Navy POM submission (and 10 more than the PB-16 plan)".
So the answer is "31 more than a plan we haven't seen" which apparently contained a startling 21-jet cut relative to the PB16 (Presidential Budget, the one published at the beginning of the year).
This is fully consistent with two known facts. Navy Air has been developing plans that fund as few as 12 F-35Cs; and we've just seen a plus-up that, most likely, is a matter of the U.S. taxpayer buying up FY16 jets that the export customers don't want (yet).*
So (clickclickclick on the old calculator) this week sees the Pentagon spending $6 billion on extra jets that the users don't want (at least yet) to avert the start of the good ol' death spiral. You're right, a1bill - for some, the news only gets worse!
* That's on the most-probably-correct hypothesis that the plus-up doesn't boost total production, but awaiting final confirmation on that.
“To meet the expanding adversary fighter threat, we will procure 31 additional F-35C relative to the Navy POM submission (and 10 more than the PB-16 plan)".
So the answer is "31 more than a plan we haven't seen" which apparently contained a startling 21-jet cut relative to the PB16 (Presidential Budget, the one published at the beginning of the year).
This is fully consistent with two known facts. Navy Air has been developing plans that fund as few as 12 F-35Cs; and we've just seen a plus-up that, most likely, is a matter of the U.S. taxpayer buying up FY16 jets that the export customers don't want (yet).*
So (clickclickclick on the old calculator) this week sees the Pentagon spending $6 billion on extra jets that the users don't want (at least yet) to avert the start of the good ol' death spiral. You're right, a1bill - for some, the news only gets worse!
* That's on the most-probably-correct hypothesis that the plus-up doesn't boost total production, but awaiting final confirmation on that.