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Old 7th Mar 2019, 12:17
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Information Surrounding Advanced Testing and new ASP

Hey Team,

I know there are pages and pages of content and I've read through a fair chunk, however I am hoping some one can take the time out and give me a brief overview of the process.

Currently a MWO in the RAN and looking at transferring to RAAF Pilot post Fighter Controller time.

I am seeking information regarding what is tested under the new process during the advanced testing part of initial selection and then how the new ASP runs.

I have a generic idea, however, if someone has recently done it and can lay it out for me would be most greatful. Might even tee up a tour of a ship in Sydney if you're a local.

Cheers Team!
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 00:24
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Hi Everyone
Thanks for all the awesome info on this forum. I've loved reading about everyone's experiences right back to the original Hornetboy.
I'm preparing for the ASP but have been unable to clarify whether any of the testing domains allow the use of pen and paper. I'm preparing without but I'm really keen to hear from anyone who can sort this out for me.
Thanks for your help
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Old 14th Mar 2019, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Libelle70 View Post
Hi Everyone
Thanks for all the awesome info on this forum. I've loved reading about everyone's experiences right back to the original Hornetboy.
I'm preparing for the ASP but have been unable to clarify whether any of the testing domains allow the use of pen and paper. I'm preparing without but I'm really keen to hear from anyone who can sort this out for me.
Thanks for your help
Hi Libelle, It doesn't allow pen and paper for any of the tests.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 11:14
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Hi guys, in the Instructions that ACMC sends you for ASP it vaguely describes some of the tests. I noticed that the images of the tests had a (C) UK MOD on them, any idea what this could mean? My guess is that they are a modified version of the test that the RAF gives to their air crew.

Cheers.
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Old 20th Mar 2019, 06:55
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copyright UK Ministry of Defence
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 08:05
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Originally Posted by tayra View Post
copyright UK Ministry of Defence
Cool, thanks.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Vdizzle View Post
G'day all, Is there anyone on here that has experience with Service Transfer?

I'm currently in Army and would like to try for the ASP. I saw on Defence Jobs they've got both Army and Navy as priority for pilots. I'd even consider RAAF pilot as well if they're also expanding in that area due to the JSF?

Primary reason is basically I love the service life, I'd stay in forever if I could. Did civvie workforce before Army and that was a big bag of small D's. It's just that the role I'm in is going through changes and it's basically getting squeezed at the senior NCO level so future prospects of advancing my career are limited. I feel like I'd be more happier going for commission now and becoming an Officer. I've loved aircraft as a kid, took a few licks at the local airport to do some introductory flying over the years and I'm now at that stage of - F..k it let's do it, I don't want to say to myself on my death bed, 'would I have passed?'.

Thank you to everyone in this forum, lots of great information for aspiring candidates.
It's worth keeping in mind that the training pipeline length pretty much means most future JSF pilots are either already in the training process, or already qualified.

As far as service transfer goes, you will have an easier time applying for a commission in Army than transferring. It's notoriously difficult to get out of Army from in service roles, but I don't have a lot of knowledge on OR to Officer transfers across services.

Definitely weigh up the risk and the result; remember Army now no longer does SSOs, and RMC is notorious for being a tough slog. You'll sacrifice 18 months of your life, and in the end might not even make it through. The risk is high but so is the reward.

Pm for any specific questions.

Best, fs
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 12:15
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Originally Posted by Niku. View Post
So, is it worth spending those few years at ADFA? Or trying straight off the bat?
You'll definitely be more likely to get in via ADFA, due to the lack of life experience you've identified. Going forward, you'll be in a better position with a degree from ADFA under your belt. I regret not completing a degree, either civilian or military, before going DEO. It will be very difficult to get a DEO position from high school without solid evidence of life experience.

The only issue is that previously DEOs can resign if they scrub course, but ADFA graduates have a ROSO and are stuck in service if they scrub.

Best, fs
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Old 24th Mar 2019, 04:52
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Hi everyone,

After about 2.5 years of being in the DFR pipeline, I've finally received my offer to attend NEOC 61 as a pilot candidate. I got my offer about 3 weeks after attending my OSB. If anyone else is coming to Creswell on the same course, flick me a PM.
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Old 24th Mar 2019, 13:01
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Originally Posted by FlyingSoon View Post
You'll definitely be more likely to get in via ADFA, due to the lack of life experience you've identified. Going forward, you'll be in a better position with a degree from ADFA under your belt. I regret not completing a degree, either civilian or military, before going DEO. It will be very difficult to get a DEO position from high school without solid evidence of life experience.

The only issue is that previously DEOs can resign if they scrub course, but ADFA graduates have a ROSO and are stuck in service if they scrub.

Best, fs
Thanks for the info! If you don't mind me asking, how old were you when you went DEO?
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 06:35
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Hi, thanks everyone for the sheer amount of content here - really really useful stuff! I'm currently in the DFR pipeline - applying for RAAF & RAN Pilot.

I've just been invited to do my second round of testing in Sydney and I assume this is the step before ASP. Does anyone know what this entails? I've only been told it's a 'battery of tests' but would love to prepare as much as possible.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been covered above - I'm slowly working my way up!
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 09:37
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Originally Posted by ndp12 View Post
Hi, thanks everyone for the sheer amount of content here - really really useful stuff! I'm currently in the DFR pipeline - applying for RAAF & RAN Pilot.

I've just been invited to do my second round of testing in Sydney and I assume this is the step before ASP. Does anyone know what this entails? I've only been told it's a 'battery of tests' but would love to prepare as much as possible.

Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been covered above - I'm slowly working my way up!
Yup so you are going for your pilot aptitude training, it will be the same as the you session testing but on different topics. It will be Gauge reading at speed, it will ask you for example "whats the airspeed?" and you will have to look at the display and choose the closest answer. There is some spacial awareness questions where it will show a silhouette of a plane and say what will it look like after a right turn. You then have four options to choose from, the next set is similar but it will show you cockpit instruments and you have to choose which silhouette matches. The last test is rapid maths!.
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Old 31st Mar 2019, 09:40
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I just received my ASP dates for 7th and 8th of May. Anyone got any tips or prep suggestions. Cheers in advance!
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Old 10th Apr 2019, 05:13
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Originally Posted by AyyJake View Post
I just received my ASP dates for 7th and 8th of May. Anyone got any tips or prep suggestions. Cheers in advance!
Thanks for the reply above! Will work on my quick maths!

Good luck at ASP. How long did it take for you to get ASP dates after finishing 2nd round aptitude testing?

Thanks
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 01:26
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I recently attended ASP and fortunately was recommended for progression for Air Force Pilot and Mission both with a moderate standing (ADFA and DEO for both) as well as Army and Navy pilot both with a strong standing (ADFA for both).

I now need to submit my order of preferences but need some more advice.

One person I spoke to at ACMC suggested to me that Army and Navy view you more favourably if you place their service as first preference whereas Air Force do not really consider that when deciding to give you an offer. Alternatively, the Enlistment Coordinator I spoke to just said that all services consider your preference order.

My real personal preference, like most, would be Air Force Pilot but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed by either Army or Navy.

Given my stronger standing for Army and Navy I wouldn't want to jeopardise my chances there by placing Air Force first but also don't want to lower my chances of Air Force selection. Is it better to place Air Force as first preference and rely on my stronger standing for Army and Navy to keep in consideration or just commit fully to Army or Navy and place one of them as first?

Lastly, the decision between Army and Navy. I do like the idea of the maritime aspect but feel that the Army may have more combat opportunities. Which service provides the most thrilling/rewarding career with the best conditions?
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 08:35
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RAAF Pilot

G'Day Everyone,

I'm currently in yr 11 and preparing to begin the recruitment and selection process to become a RAAF Pilot, I'm very dedicated to achieving this and have looked at the different avenues to join the RAAF as a pilot. I have my eyes set on doing this by first attending ADFA and I had a couple of questions as too what I should do for preparation, are those websites that say they have good content to learn on worth paying for or should I seek other ways of preparation (if so what ways). I'm also an air force cadet and was wondering whether that help throughout the [rocess in terms of looking at me over someone who isn't one?

Thanks.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 07:29
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Originally Posted by AusAviation View Post
I recently attended ASP and fortunately was recommended for progression for Air Force Pilot and Mission both with a moderate standing (ADFA and DEO for both) as well as Army and Navy pilot both with a strong standing (ADFA for both).

I now need to submit my order of preferences but need some more advice.

One person I spoke to at ACMC suggested to me that Army and Navy view you more favourably if you place their service as first preference whereas Air Force do not really consider that when deciding to give you an offer. Alternatively, the Enlistment Coordinator I spoke to just said that all services consider your preference order.

My real personal preference, like most, would be Air Force Pilot but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed by either Army or Navy.

Given my stronger standing for Army and Navy I wouldn't want to jeopardise my chances there by placing Air Force first but also don't want to lower my chances of Air Force selection. Is it better to place Air Force as first preference and rely on my stronger standing for Army and Navy to keep in consideration or just commit fully to Army or Navy and place one of them as first?

Lastly, the decision between Army and Navy. I do like the idea of the maritime aspect but feel that the Army may have more combat opportunities. Which service provides the most thrilling/rewarding career with the best conditions?
You are overthinking this. Put down the services you want to fly for in that order. FYI, if you prefer to fly Army or Navy, then your ASP score will put you in a better shot for those rather than RAAF; as the RAAF to date with ASP scores tend to be leaning towards the higher scoring candidates - and this may simply come down to a greater number of applicants wanting RAAF so they can afford to be choosy. From what I have been told about the other services (Navy in particular) this is not the case.

Also, you can choose to be sneaky with your preferences and when the OSBs are coming up for a particular service and drop preferences so that you can be in on a preferred service OSB first and foremost and play the waiting game to see if they want you. At a later stage you can add on another service to your preference list and be thrown onto upcoming OSBs for that. I was going down this route with keeping RAAF as my sole preference for a period of time, then seeing how things panned out if I received a LOO within a reasonable amount of time...if that didn't happen, I was going to add RAN as a preference. If you are genuinely happy flying with any, then go for all the preferences - just be prepared that potentially you may attend an OSB for your #2 or #3 preference before your #1...and may receive an LOO for that #2 or #3 before any offer for your #1 comes about. From what I have been told, the only real burning of bridges would occur if you turned down an OSB or LOO for one service while hoping to get in with another...and then tried for that service again after realising your preferred service wasn't going to materialise. That would not be advisable.

Wrt Army vs Navy: Navy will have longer training to get you from street to seat than Army will, given Navy do both BFTS and 1FTS. You'll also have your fixed-wing pilot wings to go with your rotary-wing pilot wings at the end of it though, and this may be more appealing to you. Perhaps it may make Navy pilots more attractive for cross-service transfers, but that's just speculation on my behalf. Regarding deployments, well, Navy guys will definitely go out to sea a fair bit. Surely that's attractive if you want to see more of the world. Can't comment on Army pilot life who may potentially be more at the whim of conflicts abroad/humanitarian requirements to experience deployments.
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Old 28th Apr 2019, 00:08
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Ausaviation.

The OSB does not have any idea of how you ranked your preferences. In respect to receiving a LOO that is not your first option, you do not have to reject it due waiting for your first preference LOO. If you would take this if you did not get what you wanted than accept it. You can always change your mind later if you get the preferred LOO.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 10:06
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I find it amazing that this thread has been open since before I was born and now I want to enter aviation.

I have my ASP on 7-9 July and I have only just heard about it via email about my OSB, I was wondering if I get gather some tips and help as for what to expect?
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 02:22
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Expect to be asked:
- Your motivations for entering the ADF and the particular service you are applying for.
- Personal questions relating to how you will cope with the lifestyle changes, being away from home, etc.
- Knowledge of the service you are applying for. Know all the aircraft and ships if you are applying for the Navy.
- What is the difference between a leader and a manager. What kind of leadership experience do you have?
- What operations are the ADF currently involved in and some recent ones.
- Some basic Geography. Particularly around war zones/conflict areas.
- Some current affairs. Watch the news for the weeks leading up to the OSB.
-Where you could be posted. How much you will be payed. What your minimum service period is.
- What training you will undergo. When, where and for how long.
- Ranks for the service you are applying for.
- Maths questions like 26 x 14. Learn how to use techniques to solve questions like this and practice using phone apps right before you go in to get your brain in the mode. I was asked a question like this and they were very impressed when I answered correctly within a few seconds. Also, some time/distance questions relating to flight times etc. Know how to calculate using knots and miles as well.

This list is not complete. You may be asked all or none of these questions. There will definitely be some I have not included here. Everything (almost) you need to know is either in the job description for the job you are going for​​​​​, or on the department of defence website. I compiled a folder with all of this info and more and studied it every spare moment I got until I knew it back to front.
You need to be confident without being cocky. The only way to achieve this is by knowing your stuff. There is no way to bluff your way through. If you study all that I have told you and plan your responses you will be giving yourself the best chance you can and it will definitely help with your confidence. Make no mistake, the difference between answering one or two questions correctly is the difference between a recommendation or high recommendation. One of those will likely get you a spot at flight school and the other won't.
I have done my OSB twice and pretty much nailed it both times so I know what I am talking about.

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