Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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Is too much being read into this?
Which of the three Defence Ouputs are we talking about:
Defence Policy - Clearly Not Applicable
Defence Capability - Already Available
Defence Operations - "maintained so that she can be ready to deliver defence outputs if required"
AFAIK under the Defence Operating Model:
Which of the three Defence Ouputs are we talking about:
Defence Policy - Clearly Not Applicable
Defence Capability - Already Available
Defence Operations - "maintained so that she can be ready to deliver defence outputs if required"
AFAIK under the Defence Operating Model:
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Talking of speed/time/distance considerations - this news article about ongoing events in a small part of the Red Sea is worth reading: For U.S. carrier pilots, a vexing mission hunting down Houthi missiles and drones - NBC News
The U.S. pilots also have other tasks: to defend the Navy flotilla in the Red Sea from incoming Houthi anti-ship missiles or drones, come to the aid of commercial vessels under threat and fly over the area to demonstrate that the Red Sea is safe for civilian navigation.
“We will be airborne, and then, if tasked, we will shift our positioning to protect ships that are in distress if called upon," Keating said. "Our presence is the important thing that reinforces that it’s safe to operate in the South Red Sea.”
Presence and proximity - again!
Here is a running list of engagements against Houthi anti ship attacks in the Red Sea. As you can see the Super Hornets from the USS Dwight DEisenhower have splashed quite few UAVs and anti ship missiles, particularly when these things have been launched in large numbers. Without carrier based fighters how much more likely is it that some would have got through the defences, how many more merchant vessels would have been hit, how many more would have suffered damage that led to them sinking, and how many more merchant seamen would have been killed or injured?
Defence in depth is for winners.
The Super Hornets from Ike were not the first shipborne aircraft to splash UAVs. USMC Harriers aboard the USS Bataan were the first to achieve kills. I suppose this underlines the importance of all shipborne aircraft.
The U.S. pilots also have other tasks: to defend the Navy flotilla in the Red Sea from incoming Houthi anti-ship missiles or drones, come to the aid of commercial vessels under threat and fly over the area to demonstrate that the Red Sea is safe for civilian navigation.
“We will be airborne, and then, if tasked, we will shift our positioning to protect ships that are in distress if called upon," Keating said. "Our presence is the important thing that reinforces that it’s safe to operate in the South Red Sea.”
Presence and proximity - again!
Here is a running list of engagements against Houthi anti ship attacks in the Red Sea. As you can see the Super Hornets from the USS Dwight DEisenhower have splashed quite few UAVs and anti ship missiles, particularly when these things have been launched in large numbers. Without carrier based fighters how much more likely is it that some would have got through the defences, how many more merchant vessels would have been hit, how many more would have suffered damage that led to them sinking, and how many more merchant seamen would have been killed or injured?
Defence in depth is for winners.
The Super Hornets from Ike were not the first shipborne aircraft to splash UAVs. USMC Harriers aboard the USS Bataan were the first to achieve kills. I suppose this underlines the importance of all shipborne aircraft.
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https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/43934/documents/217782/default
Somewhat underwhelming. Particularly the third squadron not standing up until 2033......
Somewhat underwhelming. Particularly the third squadron not standing up until 2033......
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N_a_B, thank you for drawing this to our attention.
Given the grindingly slow acquisition rate 2033 sadly seems realistic especially given negotiations for a/c 49-75 are still on going.
A slight ray of sunshine amid the gloom.
Also two more have been delivered to Marham since the date of the letter.
Given the grindingly slow acquisition rate 2033 sadly seems realistic especially given negotiations for a/c 49-75 are still on going.
A slight ray of sunshine amid the gloom.
We have already implemented the first increased recruitment of the required engineering workforce across the RN and RAF. The Operational Conversion Unit continues to graduate F-35B pilots into the Force at a sufficient rate. Additionally, the Force has trained a new tactical weapons instructor and 6 flying instructors, which has provided additional instructor depth.
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Ooops…
…During a mandatory test on board 🇩🇰HDMS Niels Juel (alongside in Naval Station Korsør) a Harpoon missile booster activated and cannot currently be deactivated.
There is a risk the missile may launch and air and sea space around the area has been closed.
Danes have form for this - in 1982 an older variant of Harpoon was accidentally launched from the frigate HDMS Peder Skram. It flew 21km, destroyed 4 cottages and damaged 130 other buildings fortunately with no loss of life….
https://www-forsvaret-dk.translate.g..._x_tr_pto=wapp
…During a mandatory test on board 🇩🇰HDMS Niels Juel (alongside in Naval Station Korsør) a Harpoon missile booster activated and cannot currently be deactivated.
There is a risk the missile may launch and air and sea space around the area has been closed.
Danes have form for this - in 1982 an older variant of Harpoon was accidentally launched from the frigate HDMS Peder Skram. It flew 21km, destroyed 4 cottages and damaged 130 other buildings fortunately with no loss of life….
https://www-forsvaret-dk.translate.g..._x_tr_pto=wapp
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Naval kamikaze drone MUSKIE M18 presented in the US. It has a range of 925km, payload capacity 450kg, length of 5,5m and speed 90km/h. An installed Starlink can also be seen on the drone.
In general, from its characteristics, purpose and appearance, it is clear that the drone was created under the impression of the Ukrainian MAGURA V5 naval kamikaze drone.
https://www.navalnews.com/event-news...-attack-drone/
Maritime Tactical Systems, Inc. (MARTAC), an innovator in Maritime Autonomous Surface Vessels (ASVs), is proud to unveil the latest product in our portfolio, the MUSKIE M18 (M18) ASV. The M18 is an 18 foot (5.5m) low-cost, attritable system for use on one-way missions. The M18 configuration is designed as a high-performance, monohull ASV capable of burst speeds of 50+ kts, open ocean cruising ranges up to 500 nautical miles, and a payload capacity up to 1000 pounds (450 kg).
Recently procured by the United States Department of Defense (DoD), the M18 was designed and developed from concept to empower operators to execute missions accommodating a variety of payloads, kinetics and kill systems in a low-cost platform that allows for broad acquisition and adoption of an asymmetric capability against conventional naval assets…..
In general, from its characteristics, purpose and appearance, it is clear that the drone was created under the impression of the Ukrainian MAGURA V5 naval kamikaze drone.
https://www.navalnews.com/event-news...-attack-drone/
Maritime Tactical Systems, Inc. (MARTAC), an innovator in Maritime Autonomous Surface Vessels (ASVs), is proud to unveil the latest product in our portfolio, the MUSKIE M18 (M18) ASV. The M18 is an 18 foot (5.5m) low-cost, attritable system for use on one-way missions. The M18 configuration is designed as a high-performance, monohull ASV capable of burst speeds of 50+ kts, open ocean cruising ranges up to 500 nautical miles, and a payload capacity up to 1000 pounds (450 kg).
Recently procured by the United States Department of Defense (DoD), the M18 was designed and developed from concept to empower operators to execute missions accommodating a variety of payloads, kinetics and kill systems in a low-cost platform that allows for broad acquisition and adoption of an asymmetric capability against conventional naval assets…..
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Not sure about being modelled on the Magura 5, more resembles the Sea Baby. Much less stealthy and differently powered.
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Its the second one Tiderace has been put into uncrewed reserve, Tidespring will be put into permanent maintainence to used as parts donors to the 2 remaining ones
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Another NATO carrier deployment with a multinational task group...
In first, France’s aircraft carrier to deploy under NATO command - Defense News
PARIS — France’s aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and its strike group will deploy under NATO command for the first time, as the French Navy’s flagship resumes operations after interim maintenance that kept it out of action most of last year.
The Charles de Gaulle, with an escort including a French air-defense frigate, a multimission frigate and a nuclear attack submarine, will start a deployment in the Mediterranean on April 22, according to Rear Adm. Jacques Mallard, commander of the French carrier strike group. Vessels from the United States, Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal will complete the escort.
While French aircraft and individual vessels have previously operated under NATO direction, the carrier strike group has until now remained under national command, according to Mallard.
Sailing under alliance command for part of the envisioned tour is meant to “show that we’re an ally who’s doing what everyone else is doing, but also to understand how the chain of command works,” Mallard said in a press briefing on April 11. “It’s a first, but it’s a logical continuation of what’s been going on until now.”
The goal is to “reinforce the defensive and deterrent posture of the alliance” as well as support operations that favor regional stability, with a focus on the central and eastern Mediterranean, according to a presentation by Mallard. The entire deployment might last around six weeks, according to the Armed Forces Ministry...
Within the NATO theatre, carrier groups are often multinational. Every one is different, for instance CdG does not have an ASW role in the same way as that ours do, so the other warships in the task group will supply the ASW helicopters as well as long range sonars.
In first, France’s aircraft carrier to deploy under NATO command - Defense News
PARIS — France’s aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle and its strike group will deploy under NATO command for the first time, as the French Navy’s flagship resumes operations after interim maintenance that kept it out of action most of last year.
The Charles de Gaulle, with an escort including a French air-defense frigate, a multimission frigate and a nuclear attack submarine, will start a deployment in the Mediterranean on April 22, according to Rear Adm. Jacques Mallard, commander of the French carrier strike group. Vessels from the United States, Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal will complete the escort.
While French aircraft and individual vessels have previously operated under NATO direction, the carrier strike group has until now remained under national command, according to Mallard.
Sailing under alliance command for part of the envisioned tour is meant to “show that we’re an ally who’s doing what everyone else is doing, but also to understand how the chain of command works,” Mallard said in a press briefing on April 11. “It’s a first, but it’s a logical continuation of what’s been going on until now.”
The goal is to “reinforce the defensive and deterrent posture of the alliance” as well as support operations that favor regional stability, with a focus on the central and eastern Mediterranean, according to a presentation by Mallard. The entire deployment might last around six weeks, according to the Armed Forces Ministry...
Within the NATO theatre, carrier groups are often multinational. Every one is different, for instance CdG does not have an ASW role in the same way as that ours do, so the other warships in the task group will supply the ASW helicopters as well as long range sonars.
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Telegraph suggests that if Type 26 frigates to be built for 🇳🇴Norway by @BAES_Maritime on the Clyde, RN would have to divert ship 3 or 4 (HMS Belfast & Birmingham) to meet Norwegian schedule.
While potentially a huge export win and Norway having the best possible ASW kit is in UK strategic interest, RN desperately needs new frigates.
https://archive.ph/2024.04.15-070203...ritise-norway/
While potentially a huge export win and Norway having the best possible ASW kit is in UK strategic interest, RN desperately needs new frigates.
https://archive.ph/2024.04.15-070203...ritise-norway/
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"RN desperately needs new frigates"
I was trashed last year for making that remark - TBH the RN desperately needs just about everything these days - destroyers, submarines, frigates, supply vessels, assault ships, patrol boats...................... as forecast years ago on here the carriers have skewed things totally.
I was trashed last year for making that remark - TBH the RN desperately needs just about everything these days - destroyers, submarines, frigates, supply vessels, assault ships, patrol boats...................... as forecast years ago on here the carriers have skewed things totally.
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as forecast years ago on here the carriers have skewed things totally.