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I believe the weapon of choice is the dockyard crane.
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Correct - that was what I was thinking of. Even Iran might have some interesting capabilities these days. Of course actually FIRING a hypersonic missile at a UK carrier would be a lot different from deployment and threats
It's not just Carriers that are impacted tho - it sounds as if a lot of people were mightily impressed by the (Turkish ) drone deployment in the recent Armenia/Azeri set-too. One of the human races real advantages over other species - we spend serious time thinking up completely new ways to kill each other through long years of peace.
It's not just Carriers that are impacted tho - it sounds as if a lot of people were mightily impressed by the (Turkish ) drone deployment in the recent Armenia/Azeri set-too. One of the human races real advantages over other species - we spend serious time thinking up completely new ways to kill each other through long years of peace.
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HMS Prince of Wales has recovered and launched her first F-35B Lightning
The stealth fighter touched down for the first time on the deck of the second of Britain’s new aircraft carriers on a calm, clear day off the south coast of England.
HMS Prince of Wales manoeuvered into position to accept the aircraft which touched down on the sprawling flight deck with precision amid an air of excitement from the ship’s company.
The stealth fighter touched down for the first time on the deck of the second of Britain’s new aircraft carriers on a calm, clear day off the south coast of England.
HMS Prince of Wales manoeuvered into position to accept the aircraft which touched down on the sprawling flight deck with precision amid an air of excitement from the ship’s company.
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According to the media, when the carrier group was operating in the Eastern Mediterranean and launching jets against Daesh, the Merlin HM2s aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth were doing real ASW and keeping tabs on Russian submarines.
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WEB,
Eugene Ely landed and took off from the USS Pennsylvania using a Curtis Pusher Airplane on January 18, 1911.
He and other pilots had been doing some takeoffs from various ships in an effort to shorten Mail transit times from large Ships.
That led to the US Navy doing some tests which led to the first landing and takeoff for the American Navy.
https://generalaviationnews.com/2018...g-and-takeoff/
Eugene Ely landed and took off from the USS Pennsylvania using a Curtis Pusher Airplane on January 18, 1911.
He and other pilots had been doing some takeoffs from various ships in an effort to shorten Mail transit times from large Ships.
That led to the US Navy doing some tests which led to the first landing and takeoff for the American Navy.
https://generalaviationnews.com/2018...g-and-takeoff/
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Of whichever nation the pioneers of wheeled naval aviation were brave men. Thankfully a century later it has finally become relatively safe.
As you say, SASLess, Eugene Ely performed the first take off from the stationary USS Birmingham 14 November 1910, and the first landing on the stationary USS Pensylvania 18 Jan 1911 (this was also the first use of a tailhook); he was killed in a display flying acccident on 19 October 1911.
On 9 May 1912 Commander Charles Samson RN (Later Air Commodore RAF) performed the first the take of from a moving ship, HMS Hibernia which was steaming at 15 knots.
On 2 August 1917 Squadron Commander Edwin Dunning RNAS performed the first landing on a moving ship (the then split deck carrier, HMS Furious), he was killed five days later when attempting another landing.
HMS Argus (1918) was the first full length flat top having been converted from an Italian liner.
As your linked article mentions efforts during WW1 involving shipborne aviation were somewhat experimental with seaplanes being the dominant participants. Landing on was the real problem, the pilots of the aircraft launched by HMS Furious for the Todern raid on 19 July 1918 were expected to ditch alongside on their return, however several headed for a Danish airfield as their fuel was too low to make it back to the ships.
Probably because of later events, the IJN's pioneering activities in naval aviation are often overlooked: at the siege of Tsingtao (Japan and Britain v Germany & Austria-Hungary) having already conducted the first sea launched air action against land forces; on 6 September 1914 aircraft the seaplane carrier Wakamiya launched the first attempt to sink an opposing warship by bombing. in December 1922, Hōshō was the first purpose built aircraft carrier to be commissioned.
Here endeth the lesson...
As you say, SASLess, Eugene Ely performed the first take off from the stationary USS Birmingham 14 November 1910, and the first landing on the stationary USS Pensylvania 18 Jan 1911 (this was also the first use of a tailhook); he was killed in a display flying acccident on 19 October 1911.
On 9 May 1912 Commander Charles Samson RN (Later Air Commodore RAF) performed the first the take of from a moving ship, HMS Hibernia which was steaming at 15 knots.
On 2 August 1917 Squadron Commander Edwin Dunning RNAS performed the first landing on a moving ship (the then split deck carrier, HMS Furious), he was killed five days later when attempting another landing.
HMS Argus (1918) was the first full length flat top having been converted from an Italian liner.
As your linked article mentions efforts during WW1 involving shipborne aviation were somewhat experimental with seaplanes being the dominant participants. Landing on was the real problem, the pilots of the aircraft launched by HMS Furious for the Todern raid on 19 July 1918 were expected to ditch alongside on their return, however several headed for a Danish airfield as their fuel was too low to make it back to the ships.
Probably because of later events, the IJN's pioneering activities in naval aviation are often overlooked: at the siege of Tsingtao (Japan and Britain v Germany & Austria-Hungary) having already conducted the first sea launched air action against land forces; on 6 September 1914 aircraft the seaplane carrier Wakamiya launched the first attempt to sink an opposing warship by bombing. in December 1922, Hōshō was the first purpose built aircraft carrier to be commissioned.
Here endeth the lesson...
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Covid on board Q.E.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617An outbreak of Covid-19 has been confirmed on the Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth.
The BBC has been told there have been around 100 cases on the aircraft carrier, which is part way through a world tour. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected. Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said all crew on the deployment had received two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine and the outbreak was being managed. HMS Queen Elizabeth is about a quarter of the way through a 28-week deployment leading the Carrier Strike Group (CSG). It has now entered the Indian Ocean, and the Royal Navy says it is due to continue on its voyage to Japan later this year.
Around 3,700 personnel are part of the CSG. A spokeswoman said mitigation measured on board included masks, social distancing and a track and trace system. "As part of routine testing, a small number of crew from the Carrier Strike Group have tested positive for Covid-19," she said. "The Carrier Strike Group will continue to deliver their operational tasks and there are no effects on the deployment."
The BBC has been told there have been around 100 cases on the aircraft carrier, which is part way through a world tour. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected. Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said all crew on the deployment had received two doses of a Covid-19 vaccine and the outbreak was being managed. HMS Queen Elizabeth is about a quarter of the way through a 28-week deployment leading the Carrier Strike Group (CSG). It has now entered the Indian Ocean, and the Royal Navy says it is due to continue on its voyage to Japan later this year.
Around 3,700 personnel are part of the CSG. A spokeswoman said mitigation measured on board included masks, social distancing and a track and trace system. "As part of routine testing, a small number of crew from the Carrier Strike Group have tested positive for Covid-19," she said. "The Carrier Strike Group will continue to deliver their operational tasks and there are no effects on the deployment."
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f...tion-8ttzrxnz3
Five of Navy’s six Type 45 destroyers are out of action
Most of the Royal Navy’s destroyers are out of action because they are being fixed or are undergoing maintenance.
Figures released by the Ministry of Defence reveal five out of the six Type 45 warships are tied up in dock, with only HMS Defender operational.
Defender is deployed as part of the carrier strike group led by the HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, which is in the Indo-Pacific as part of its maiden voyage…..
Another destroyer, HMS Diamond, was also escorting the carrier, but had to stay behind as the group travelled through the Suez Canal after suffering “technical issues” related to its propulsion.
In response to a parliamentary question, Jeremy Quin, the procurement minister, said Diamond was in Augusta, in Sicily, undergoing “maintenance, inspection and defect rectification”.
The Type 45s have had long-running problems with their engines, which have struggled to cope in warm waters.
HMS Daring, HMS Duncan and HMS Dragon are undergoing planned maintenance in Portsmouth. Meanwhile, HMS Dauntless is undergoing a “power improvement” upgrade to rectify an issue with the propulsion system that has been deemed unreliable. It is the first destroyer to undergo the upgrade and is expected to return to sea for trials this year…..
All six of the ships, which are equipped with the Sea Viper missiles that can knock moving targets out of the sky from up to 70 miles away, are expected to have been upgraded by the mid-2020s.
Tobias Ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee, said it was “operationally unacceptable for the Royal Navy’s destroyer availability to be reduced to a single ship”. He said that if Defender too suffered propulsion problems the carrier group would be forced to request backup from a Nato ally. “Bottom line — with global threats increasing we need a bigger navy.”
Mark Francois, the former armed forces minister who asked the question, said: “The Type 45 is arguably the best air-defence destroyer in the world — but that’s not much use if it can’t put to sea.”
Five of Navy’s six Type 45 destroyers are out of action
Most of the Royal Navy’s destroyers are out of action because they are being fixed or are undergoing maintenance.
Figures released by the Ministry of Defence reveal five out of the six Type 45 warships are tied up in dock, with only HMS Defender operational.
Defender is deployed as part of the carrier strike group led by the HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, which is in the Indo-Pacific as part of its maiden voyage…..
Another destroyer, HMS Diamond, was also escorting the carrier, but had to stay behind as the group travelled through the Suez Canal after suffering “technical issues” related to its propulsion.
In response to a parliamentary question, Jeremy Quin, the procurement minister, said Diamond was in Augusta, in Sicily, undergoing “maintenance, inspection and defect rectification”.
The Type 45s have had long-running problems with their engines, which have struggled to cope in warm waters.
HMS Daring, HMS Duncan and HMS Dragon are undergoing planned maintenance in Portsmouth. Meanwhile, HMS Dauntless is undergoing a “power improvement” upgrade to rectify an issue with the propulsion system that has been deemed unreliable. It is the first destroyer to undergo the upgrade and is expected to return to sea for trials this year…..
All six of the ships, which are equipped with the Sea Viper missiles that can knock moving targets out of the sky from up to 70 miles away, are expected to have been upgraded by the mid-2020s.
Tobias Ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee, said it was “operationally unacceptable for the Royal Navy’s destroyer availability to be reduced to a single ship”. He said that if Defender too suffered propulsion problems the carrier group would be forced to request backup from a Nato ally. “Bottom line — with global threats increasing we need a bigger navy.”
Mark Francois, the former armed forces minister who asked the question, said: “The Type 45 is arguably the best air-defence destroyer in the world — but that’s not much use if it can’t put to sea.”
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So down to one destroyer and that's east of Suez.............................
many of us said that they'd never bought enough and that diverting them to build a Carrier Group would lead to chronic issues elsewhere
never realised it would happen so soon
Presumably we're currently dependent on NATO navies to protect the UK in the Atlantic and N Sea?
many of us said that they'd never bought enough and that diverting them to build a Carrier Group would lead to chronic issues elsewhere
never realised it would happen so soon
Presumably we're currently dependent on NATO navies to protect the UK in the Atlantic and N Sea?