Future Carrier (Including Costs)
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From: Ferrara
This is very very odd .... a quiet word surely would have been enough
There must be something else - and that has to be something very different.
As he's still in the RN (for now) it has to something related to the ship I suspect rather than some generic "failing" (wine , women, song would be out of the service)
He probably expressed some strong thoughts on a pet subject of someone closer to the top (I doubt it would be the SecDef who got involved here) - and that is why he was stitched up
There must be something else - and that has to be something very different.
As he's still in the RN (for now) it has to something related to the ship I suspect rather than some generic "failing" (wine , women, song would be out of the service)
He probably expressed some strong thoughts on a pet subject of someone closer to the top (I doubt it would be the SecDef who got involved here) - and that is why he was stitched up
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QE Captain Un-sacked
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QE Captain Un-sacked
According to the Telegraph etc. today, May 21st. Captain Cooke-Priest had to be unsacked, because the Navy has no-one else available to drive the boat back to Pompey from Rosyth.
Tuesday night, May 21st, HMS Queen Elizabeth is anchored above the Forth bridges with Tug Hopetoun in attendance. Perhaps waiting for her escort, or the tide – low 11pm. Next high – 5 am Wednesday. Destination showing as Portland.
Presumably, on completion of the voyage, he will have to be re-sacked, unless his new Sub Lieut Boss has developed a more sensible idea.
LFH
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QE Captain Un-sacked
According to the Telegraph etc. today, May 21st. Captain Cooke-Priest had to be unsacked, because the Navy has no-one else available to drive the boat back to Pompey from Rosyth.
Tuesday night, May 21st, HMS Queen Elizabeth is anchored above the Forth bridges with Tug Hopetoun in attendance. Perhaps waiting for her escort, or the tide – low 11pm. Next high – 5 am Wednesday. Destination showing as Portland.
Presumably, on completion of the voyage, he will have to be re-sacked, unless his new Sub Lieut Boss has developed a more sensible idea.
LFH
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Last edited by Lordflasheart; 22nd May 2019 at 02:43. Reason: clarity
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From RT
"Let me borrow your ride: US gets UK carrier, while her captain gets the boot".
Would appear that the Septics will be lodging for a while.
"Let me borrow your ride: US gets UK carrier, while her captain gets the boot".
Would appear that the Septics will be lodging for a while.
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From: UK
Thank God for men of NCP’s calibre. If it had been me (ruled out on grounds of specialisation, expertise and looks) in command - relieved of command - then asked to park the barge because no one else could - I’d have told ‘them’ to wedge it. Petulant I know - but humbling that he turned to.
I have to come clean. When we (FW FAA) became part of 3 Gp they gave us CS95 because Crabs couldn’t do exercises unless dressed like soldiers. (Or other tenuous reason to give us camo clothing and rucksacks). Never wore the stuff on duty but used it at the weekend for rough shooting and fishing. I also wore the fleece with thumb holes when washing the car. I never deployed with the rucksack- preferring a grip, but it is currently doing very well on a DoE exped with my youngest. Using a defence asset that pusser gave me to help defend the realm in such frivolous - weekend - circumstances was and remains deplorable. I apologise and am very much grateful that my behaviour didn’t cost me command of my small but perfectly formed, AMRAAM toting, sea based bumper gun jet.
I have to come clean. When we (FW FAA) became part of 3 Gp they gave us CS95 because Crabs couldn’t do exercises unless dressed like soldiers. (Or other tenuous reason to give us camo clothing and rucksacks). Never wore the stuff on duty but used it at the weekend for rough shooting and fishing. I also wore the fleece with thumb holes when washing the car. I never deployed with the rucksack- preferring a grip, but it is currently doing very well on a DoE exped with my youngest. Using a defence asset that pusser gave me to help defend the realm in such frivolous - weekend - circumstances was and remains deplorable. I apologise and am very much grateful that my behaviour didn’t cost me command of my small but perfectly formed, AMRAAM toting, sea based bumper gun jet.
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Order - Counter Order - ***ing Disorder
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Order - Counter Order - ***ing Disorder
While the QE idly swings around her anchor above the Forth Bridges, according to Sky - if you believe it - https://news.sky.com/story/sacked-ca...rrier-11726533
It might be just that he had to 'dramatically' attend a routine meeting ashore, but the fact remains that a miserable set of wheels provided for the Captain, to make his official life ‘a little less complicated’ seems to have lost him his job.
The Navy would be the first to claim and require that while he is Captain in Command, he is considered to be on duty 24 - 7 - 365, thus he has no unofficial life unless on formal leave with a designated relief.
I await the real truth with interest. The crew of the QE will probably be more interested in when they're going to get home leave.
LFH
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Order - Counter Order - ***ing Disorder
While the QE idly swings around her anchor above the Forth Bridges, according to Sky - if you believe it - https://news.sky.com/story/sacked-ca...rrier-11726533
It might be just that he had to 'dramatically' attend a routine meeting ashore, but the fact remains that a miserable set of wheels provided for the Captain, to make his official life ‘a little less complicated’ seems to have lost him his job.
The Navy would be the first to claim and require that while he is Captain in Command, he is considered to be on duty 24 - 7 - 365, thus he has no unofficial life unless on formal leave with a designated relief.
I await the real truth with interest. The crew of the QE will probably be more interested in when they're going to get home leave.
LFH
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From: Blighty (Nth. Downs)
This is very very odd .... a quiet word surely would have been enough
There must be something else - and that has to be something very different.
As he's still in the RN (for now) it has to something related to the ship I suspect rather than some generic "failing" (wine , women, song would be out of the service)
He probably expressed some strong thoughts on a pet subject of someone closer to the top (I doubt it would be the SecDef who got involved here) - and that is why he was stitched up
There must be something else - and that has to be something very different.
As he's still in the RN (for now) it has to something related to the ship I suspect rather than some generic "failing" (wine , women, song would be out of the service)
He probably expressed some strong thoughts on a pet subject of someone closer to the top (I doubt it would be the SecDef who got involved here) - and that is why he was stitched up
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From: Here
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I'd say you're on the money there Davef........... Are there any Merlins based in Scotland these days ?
I would guess the cost of a Merlin per flying hour way exceeds the total discounted fleet lease/purchase cost of a Galaxy (Ford that is, not Lockheed) ..... Does anyone know if the offending vehicle has RN plates or is it civvie DVLA registered ?
BTW the ships gone 'stealf'
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(I did see a Merlin approaching her late yesterday afternoon)
I would guess the cost of a Merlin per flying hour way exceeds the total discounted fleet lease/purchase cost of a Galaxy (Ford that is, not Lockheed) ..... Does anyone know if the offending vehicle has RN plates or is it civvie DVLA registered ?
BTW the ships gone 'stealf'
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From: avro country
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...reported-crew/
Navy captain Nick Cooke-Priest was allowing wife to use ship's car before he was reported by own crew
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
The RN has been handling this situation with unbelievable clumsiness.
But if indeed he was "..reported by his own crew", I can see the ship getting a reputation as being an 'unhappy ship'.
But if indeed he was "..reported by his own crew", I can see the ship getting a reputation as being an 'unhappy ship'.
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Well done to the crew to stand up to this sort of thing, assuming the vehicle was a service provided vehicle for service use would she actually have had a services licence whatever it is called these days or insurance to drive it?
I agree with the handling of this too, poor, he should have been removed straight away and as for sailing it south his second in command should have been elected to the task if a replacement couldn't be found, if the second in command isn't deemed competent enough to do this by those further up the food chain, then he shouldn't be in the job.
i remember a certain Station Commanders wife in the past. who was driving her husbands car to collect him with the pennant on and was insisting on being saluted, she was soon put right on the subject.
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I agree with the handling of this too, poor, he should have been removed straight away and as for sailing it south his second in command should have been elected to the task if a replacement couldn't be found, if the second in command isn't deemed competent enough to do this by those further up the food chain, then he shouldn't be in the job.
i remember a certain Station Commanders wife in the past. who was driving her husbands car to collect him with the pennant on and was insisting on being saluted, she was soon put right on the subject.
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From: Here 'n' there!
I once (decades ago) had to pick up a MSO (Mildly Senior Officer) one evening from a train station. Finally, in desperation, used my beat-up car. "Where's the MT?". Wearily, my response "Out of hours, Sir, and you are only a MSO!" did not go down well. I silenced further grumbling by suggesting "Well, there's always a bus out to camp! Next one in about 3 hours!". How many rules that trip broke I'd hate to think - including the latest barking "union rule" governing out-of-hours use (or not!) of MT......
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From: Quite near 'An aerodrome somewhere in England'
Hot 'n' High wrote:
I assume you meant a quiet word with the person suspected of using a service vehicle contrary to the rules?
One thought - why not equip such high profile 'company' vehicles with tracking devices which can send vehicle location, speed and time to whatever passes for MT Control these days? Many other fleet users have such systems.
I'd report it if it were illegal and ongoing after a quiet word!
One thought - why not equip such high profile 'company' vehicles with tracking devices which can send vehicle location, speed and time to whatever passes for MT Control these days? Many other fleet users have such systems.
