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Future Carrier (Including Costs)

Old 14th Feb 2019, 15:24
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QE is back to Rosyth in the spring for routine recertification of her hull, and will resume operational service after that. Prince of Wales is due to sail on her sea trials in the autumn, and under current plans the third phase of Lightning trials will be conducted from her deck shortly thereafter. All subject to change of course.
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 17:56
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How often do they have to recertify the hull?

I can't remember this on other ships.....
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 19:15
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Originally Posted by Obi Wan Russell View Post
QE is back to Rosyth in the spring for routine recertification of her hull, and will resume operational service after that. Prince of Wales is due to sail on her sea trials in the autumn, and under current plans the third phase of Lightning trials will be conducted from her deck shortly thereafter. All subject to change of course.
DR-3 is schedued later this year with QE and 617. However l, I read this week QE is returning to the US for what seems to be additional F35 trials
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Old 14th Feb 2019, 22:07
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Originally Posted by PeterGee View Post


DR-3 is schedued later this year with QE and 617. However l, I read this week QE is returning to the US for what seems to be additional F35 trials
As of last year PoW was scheduled to carry out DT3 trials whilst QE was in dry dock, but as I said plans are always subject to change. At the time PoW was due for completion by the summer, as was QE's dry docking period. With PoW slipping to the Autumn, they seem to have decided to swap QE back to DT3 host ship and pull her drydocking forward a few months. We shall see.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 07:05
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
How often do they have to recertify the hull?

I can't remember this on other ships.....
It's a Class Society requirement. Nothing unusual.
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 13:02
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thanks - didn't think they bothered with serious military vessels - just things like those new tankers...............
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Old 15th Feb 2019, 16:03
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All new RN ships are in Class to LR Naval Rules.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 09:04
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The ship's company of Prince of Wales are getting ready to take her to sea.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 10:15
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Although the Royal Navy is still undermanned, the First Sea Lord and the Navy's senior management have been working hard to deal with manning issues, and are getting there.

A lot of work is being done to change things to improve retention, for one thing. Additionally there will be increased use of Reservists as well. Shorter mobilisations may be on the cards, as opposed to six/nine/twelve month ones. Work has been ongoing allow SQEP personnel who want to stay in the service, but want a break from regular deployments, to transfer to the Reserves.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 09:53
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Talking of Reservists (and ship/aircraft integration), there is a FTRS post at FOST for a Fixed Wing Lt/Lt Cdr Pilot - see page 88 of this month's FTRS jobs list.

The holder of the post is the SO2 AV(QEC), a sea riding billet at FOST(S). This new post will address the additional training burden brought about by the introduction to service of the QEC aircraft carriers.The post will involve seariding UK and international aviation capable platforms both in UK waters and overseas to provide Tier 1 aviation collective training. It is anticipated that at least 35 days per year will be spent away from the UK. It will require coordination with NCHQ FGen / CS / MAA/NFSF(RW) /Force Commanders/Navy Commitments/External Contractors (e.g. BIH)/DE&S/other MOD departments as required.

Accountable to FAVO, the Post Holder’s Primary Purpose is to; Undertake an aviation sea riding function to deliver world class training to UK and IDT platforms.

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 08:49
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HMS Queen Elizabeth returns to Rosyth for planned maintenance Royal Navy

“Our return here is yet another first for HMS Queen Elizabeth and another important step on her journey as Britain generates a big deck Carrier Strike capability.”

Having lowered her pole mast to get under the three Bridges, the ship will now have to wait for the right tidal and weather conditions to manoeuvre safely through the lock into Rosyth Dockyard.

Equipped with a specially designed roller-fender system, there will be just one metre clearance each side of the ship, and just over one metre separating the keel from the entrance sill.


Is this something else we can export?

When the docking period is complete HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail to conduct further sea trials and training ahead of deploying again later this year for ‘WESTLANT 19’, where she will embark British F35B Lightning II jets to conduct Operational Testing, following on from last year’s successful Developmental Tests.

I wonder if this period might include embarkation of a full complement of Merlin HM2 for an ASW exercise like Deep Blue, or Deep Blue II? A big deck and multiple ASW helicopters seems to be something NATO seeks from the UK.

Alternatively, they could be bringing the ship's company and in particular the flight deck party up to speed in preparation for having multiple jets on deck (as well as helicopters).
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 12:37
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WEB.....having a Port with adequate access for your ships would be a commonsense thing don't you think?

Consider Norfolk, Charleston, Jacksonville, San Diego, Bremerton, Pearl Harbor and a few other Naval Bases in the United States as examples.

As you scroll through the Images linked below...you can see the Ark Royal at Norfolk tied up at the Bird Farm Dock.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/C...r_20,_2012.jpg
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 17:21
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Latest news:

QE has arrived back at Rosyth for dry docking, meeting up with her younger sister HMS Prince of Wales for the first time in two years. Hopefully before the year is out we'll see both of them sailing in company once PoW starts her sea trials in the autumn:

Merlin Crowsnest first flight 01

Merlin Crowsnest first flight 02

Merlin Crowsnest first flight 03

Merlin Crowsnest first flight 04
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 22:06
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To be amid the Royal Navy is to be amongst the giants of history, famous and anonymous alike, some from centuries long past, some from the two world war, and some from more recent times.

One such recent great, a pioneer who contribute much to STOVL naval aviation, the inventor of the ski jump, has died.

Lieutenant-Commander Doug Taylor, naval engineer whose ‘ski jump’ take-off for fighter jets helped to win the Falklands War – obituary

Lieutenant-Commander Doug Taylor, who has died aged 89, saw the development of all the postwar innovations in the Royal Navy which made modern naval aviation possible, the steam catapult, the angled deck, the projector sight, high-energy arresting gear – and, the last of them, Taylor’s ski-jump.

In September 1964, on a day of almost unbearable tropical heat, Taylor was flight deck engineer officer of the carrier HMS Victorious which, under international law, was exercising her right of innocent passage through the Lombok Strait into the Java Sea.

Victorious was at action stations, ready to intervene on behalf of newly independent Malaysia in the confrontation with Indonesia, when Taylor’s sixth sense caused him to examine the steam catapults where Sea Vixen fighters and Buccaneer bombers were at standby. Shocked, he realised that the aircraft could not be launched because the deck had expanded so much in the heat that the catapults were jammed.

Summoned to the bridge to explain the problem, his captain laconically told him, “Bad luck, Doug. Fix it as soon as you can. Radar shows there’s a lot of enemy air activity”.

Taylor had already ordered the deck around the catapults to be cooled by hosing with seawater: the deck shrank and the catapults quickly returned to working order, but the 10 minutes which the incident lasted led to Taylor’s vision of “a runway in the sky” for the new generation of vertical take-off Sea Harrier fighters.

The postwar Fleet Air Arm had evolved, mostly unnoticed by the public, and despite government parsimony, into one of the most highly motivated and efficient air forces in the world, but Taylor thought that it had reached the limits of expansion. He worked on alternative forms of short take-off from ships as small as frigates, but his idea of a sausage-like, rapidly inflated catapult was derided as the “giant condom”.

However, over Christmas 1969 using a slide-rule, he began a series of laborious calculations concerning launches along a ramp which would impart ballistic energy to an aircraft.

This idea was slow to overcome the “risibility factor” until Rear-Admiral Edward Dyer-Smith, Director-General Aircraft (Naval) from 1970 until 1972, took an interest and, to give Taylor and his ideas academic credibility, arranged for him to read for an MPhil at Southampton University.

There, under Professor Ian Cheeseman, Taylor gained access to one of the university’s early computers, “about the size of a large garden shed”, and was able to prove his theory that an upward-curving ramp could impart significant vertical velocity to an aircraft at the end of a short, running take-off.

Established thinking by boffins and senior officers in the RN and the RAF was heavily prejudiced against Taylor’s ideas, but anger at their closed minds only made him more determined. He won round John Fozard, chief designer at Hawkers, the makers of the Harrier, and John Farley, the Chief Test Pilot, who became his advocates.

Fozard described the ski-jump – cheap, with no moving parts, and simple – as a rare “win-win”, and the trials which began in August 1977 were a total success.

Eventually HMS Invincible, lead ship of a new class of small carriers, was fitted with a 7-degree ramp and on October 30 1980, test pilot Lieutenant-Commander David Poole from Boscombe Down made the first Sea Harrier launch from a ski-jump at sea. Later, all three Invincible-class carriers were fitted with 12-degree ramps.

The ski-jump would change the shape of the Royal Navy’s carrier fleet and play a decisive role in winning the Falklands War. Later ski-jumps were to be fitted in many other navies’ carriers.
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Old 15th Apr 2019, 08:26
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Of course we have docks for Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales. Dry docks are different.

Anyway.... Task Groups are at the heart of Western naval strategy, whether there are carrier or amphibious based. I struggle to understand those who would sacrifice the task group capability in order simply to increase the number of hulls. Talking of task groups:

Exercise Joint Warrior reaches its high point Royal Navy

Albion heads a task group including her guardians (HMS Defender against air attack, HMS Kent against submarines and ‘enemy’ ships), amphibious ship RFA Lyme Bay, tanker RFA Tiderace and hundreds of Royal Marines of 3 Commando Brigade – plus their kit.

If the F-35B was taking part, will they have practiced air defence of the task group? ASW Merlins were also involved, so I wonder if UKCSG are involved? As someone who has worked in several Joint Warriors, I have seen the odd WAFU, but lots of them....
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 02:10
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"Although the Royal Navy is still undermanned, the First Sea Lord and the Navy's senior management have been working hard to deal with manning issues, and are getting there.

A lot of work is being done to change things to improve retention, for one thing. Additionally there will be increased use of Reservists as well. Shorter mobilisations may be on the cards, as opposed to six/nine/twelve month ones. Work has been ongoing allow SQEP personnel who want to stay in the service, but want a break from regular deployments, to transfer to the Reserves."


So basically they don't have the people to fill all the roles incl supporting fleet.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 18:37
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has anyone told 'crowsnet' they have something stuck on the side of their face ? Good luck with the trials.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 13:12
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"So basically they don't have the people to fill all the roles incl supporting fleet."

Interesting... if you go back to the early days (2006!!) of this thread, when WEBF must have been about 15, the issue of manning has been a constant issue for the naysayers. The True Believers have always rubbished the argument saying:-

a) it would never happen

b) it didn't matter as one or two carriers out weighed anything else the navy does.

Now it appears some returning chickens are on the horizon......................
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 18:54
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The Royal Navy lost about 5000 people as part of SDSR 10. The numbers were cut without too much though to the future. Then in 2015, both the RN and RAF expected a manpower uplift of about 1500 people each, but this did now happen due to Cameron being a wet drip and panicking about what his backbenchers would say if 'troop numbers' were cut.

Both services are regenerating lost capabilities.

Perhaps we 'True Believers' innocently hoped for politicians that pay attention to detail, listen to expert advice, and have some guts. I know - crazy talk!
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Old 21st Apr 2019, 09:33
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It is sad isn't it? I gave up believing in politicians commitment to the British Navy after the T45 "one for one replacement" saga...............

They kept saying it but then you could see the weasel words creeping in one at a time over the years - better for someone to 'fess up at the start IMHO

Thinking of which I took a look at Portsmouth on Google Earth yesterday - imagery dated 14th Sept 2016 - there are 4 T45's in (3 along side and 1 in dock) - but you get some idea of the SIZE of them .......... not much smaller than HMS Illustrious alongside
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