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Future Carrier (Including Costs)

Old 3rd Oct 2018, 16:53
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That's a truly wonderful picture. Why does it look like it has burner in - anybody know?
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 19:20
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Some more from the night trials. I don't think these are duskers, it's just the camera used takes great pictures in the moonlight!


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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 19:34
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That's a truly wonderful picture. Why does it look like it has burner in - anybody know?
A digital camera with the kind of light sensitivity for such dark environment photos is sensitive down into the near infra red. So while your eye can't see the heat plume from the engine, the camera can.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 20:02
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks very much, Ken.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 10:44
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May not have been posted here before:
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 19:40
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
A digital camera with the kind of light sensitivity for such dark environment photos is sensitive down into the near infra red. So while your eye can't see the heat plume from the engine, the camera can.
Stealthy Huh!

Sorry. A demonstration of the traits designed into the platform for low observability under the overall mantle called stealth.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 20:06
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Stealthy Huh!

Sorry. A demonstration of the traits designed into the platform for low observability under the overall mantle called stealth.
Blimey. There's an effin great radar reflector called an aircraft carrier around when it's doing that hovering trick. A bit of near IR in that regime is hardly an issue.

In forward flight during a mission, how would you provide the spec performance without a jet engine and a con-di nozzle?

Of the things people complain about with the F-35, the practical limitations of physics seems a strange one to add to the list.
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Old 5th Oct 2018, 20:42
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Originally Posted by glad rag View Post
Stealthy Huh!

Sorry. A demonstration of the traits designed into the platform for low observability under the overall mantle called stealth.
At such close range, I suspect the visual bulk of the aircraft is a bit more of a giveaway to its presence than the exhaust plume. Low observability does not constitute invisibility.
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 18:24
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New Visitors to the deck, expanding her repertoire:




This last one is what many have been waiting to see after the F-35Bs of course!
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 19:12
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Originally Posted by hoodie View Post
Blimey. There's an effin great radar reflector called an aircraft carrier around when it's doing that hovering trick. A bit of near IR in that regime is hardly an issue.

In forward flight during a mission, how would you provide the spec performance without a jet engine and a con-di nozzle?

Of the things people complain about with the F-35, the practical limitations of physics seems a strange one to add to the list.
Does the F35 have a con-di nozzle?
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Old 11th Oct 2018, 19:56
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Yes.
The production F-35 design has a compact axisymmetric convergent/divergent nozzle for the STOVL version and a longer set of nozzle flaps for better performance on the CTOL and CV variants.
(The quote is from one of the photo captions at that link)
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 02:22
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 01:33
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Some more from the trials:



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Old 14th Oct 2018, 13:48
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It seems that carriers are more vulnerable than ever when you take the new missile technologies that the Russians and Chinese have.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 16:13
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Everything’s more vulnerable than ever. Yawn.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 16:54
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F-35B - First SRVL

First ever Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) - F-35B trials on HMS Queen Elizabeth:

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Old 14th Oct 2018, 22:05
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The thing that strikes me most about these PR pics is the amount of real estate (deckspace) we have. Seems completely disproportionate to our ability to fill it!

Potential to be more of a national embarrassment than a national asset?
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 22:25
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Is there anything about QEC or F-35B that people won't moan about? "It's too capable" is a new one.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 23:24
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First ever Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing (SRVL) - F-35B trials on HMS Queen Elizabeth
Nice one. 11 and a bit years after doing the SRVL demo on FS Charles de Gaulle with the* electric nozzly jet, someone's done it with an example of the intended electric nozzly jet onto (one of) the intended deck(s). Stopped much quicker this time! Well done to TJSF, the ITF and QNLZ!

*at the time ours was the only one.
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Old 15th Oct 2018, 08:58
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I listened to a rather good brief by a RAF Regiment Officer the other day in which he gave the stats that in WW2 the axis powers lost 18,000 aircraft to ground based attack and the figure for the US in Vietnam was 1,800.

I’ve no reason to doubt him - and the figures do give a new slant to the ‘carriers are so vulnerable’ argument. Seems the risks of the sea base as compared to those faced by non movable airfields might not be balanced the way some folk put forward.
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