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Future Carrier (Including Costs)

Old 3rd Feb 2019, 05:47
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it would be a brave man who went into action without allied support IMHO
Thatís as intended, then. The Governmentís stated policy is that any medium or large scale war fighting would be as part of an alliance or coalition.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 08:04
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Someone better tell the good people of Port Stanley... and maybe Gibraltar then..............
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 16:23
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things have gone very badly wrong if a carrier is firing anti air missiles
You reckon things always go as planned in War?

Think Hood, Singapore, daylight bombing, attacking with armor up a single roadway over multiple bridges, and so many other tragedies!

Going into a fight with just your Willy in hand.....is not a smart thing.

Arm them up....as you cannot afford to lose even one of them.....as your carrier fleet takes a 50% Loss.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 16:54
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Arm them up....as you cannot afford to lose even one of them.....as your carrier fleet takes a 50% Loss.
Recall that HMS Ark Royal, the last RN Fleet Carrier had no defensive armament, fitted for but not with.... Unlike HMS Eagle, at a time heaviest armed RN warship, also with AA missiles.
The UK has form...
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 22:43
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Originally Posted by Easy Street View Post


Thatís as intended, then. The Governmentís stated policy is that any medium or large scale war fighting would be as part of an alliance or coalition.
Doesn't that kind of give assuagement to any potential or actual enemy then...
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 17:18
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I have the impression,looking back through previous designs, that the British Navy has always carried less anti- air weaponry than equivalent vessels in other navies... which is a bit of a surprise.....
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Someone better tell the good people of Port Stanley... and maybe Gibraltar then..............
I will be in Port Stanley in two weeks and in Gib on May 1. I will be sure to pass that on.
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 08:01
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I was in Stanley last nov and was amazed at how poor relations seemed to be between the military and the islanders (and the Islanders!!)
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Old 7th Feb 2019, 13:37
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Originally Posted by Navaleye View Post
I will be in Port Stanley in two weeks and in Gib on May 1. I will be sure to pass that on.

I am off to Stanley on Monday to meet and debrief with a couple of A4 drivers. I am sure that they will have a view!

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Old 7th Feb 2019, 21:25
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I would like to be a fly on the wall for that one. Perhaps you could post any relevant facts. I've reached out to Marcantillian and hoping to meet him in BA on 21st.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 09:03
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Well whatever happens its still a long drive for a QE2 to the Falklands tho I don't get the feeling that the current Argentinean Govt has it on their list of priorities
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 10:46
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Well whatever happens its still a long drive for a QE2 to the Falklands tho I don't get the feeling that the current Argentinean Govt has it on their list of priorities
Considering she's a floating hotel in Dubai I doubt there'd be much incentive for her owners to take her there either.
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Old 8th Feb 2019, 11:17
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Whoops...............
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 07:36
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According to today's BBC the Prime-Minister-in-Waiting will say he's going to send the QE to challenge the Chinese..................

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47192232

The UK needs a bolder and stronger armed forces prepared to use "hard power" or risk being seen as a "paper tiger", the defence secretary will say.

Gavin Williamson will warn in a speech that Britain must stand up to those who "flout international law". He will also say that the UK has its "greatest opportunity" to redefine its position on the world stage after Brexit.
Labour said the military had been "completely undermined" by Tory cuts.

Speaking at the Royal United Services Institute on Monday, Mr Williamson will unveil plans to modernise the armed forces, and say it must increase its "mass and lethality". He will also confirm the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth is being deployed to the Pacific region, where China has been involved in a dispute over territorial claims in the South China Sea. The carrier will take part in the mission along with F-35 jets from the UK and US.

Mr Williamson is to use his speech to outline how cyber forces will be reinforced thanks to a "very significant investment", which will be used both to defend and launch attacks. The defence secretary won an extra £1.8bn for defence in the last budget. With the boundaries between peace and war becoming "blurred" - particularly by Russia and China, he will claim - Mr Williamson will say Britain and its allies had to be ready "to use hard power to support our interests". He will go on to say: "We have to be ready to show the high price of aggressive behaviour. Ready to strengthen our resilience." Defending interventionist policy, he will say the cost of failing to act in global crises had often been "unacceptably high", and that Western powers cannot "walk on by when others are in need". "To talk but fail to act risks our nation being seen as little more than a paper tiger," he will add.

Shadow defence secretary Nia Griffith said: "The UK's ability to play our role on the international stage has been completely undermined by eight years of Tory defence cuts. "The Conservatives have slashed the defence budget by over £9bn in real terms since 2010 and they are cutting armed forces numbers year after year. Instead of simply engaging in yet more sabre-rattling, Gavin Williamson should get to grips with the crisis in defence funding that is happening on his watch."
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 10:08
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Wow, the Chinese will be terrified, sabre rattling mister Williamson should stick to selling fireplaces!

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 10:13
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More on the subject in The Times today.

UK sends aircraft carrier to Pacific in show of strength to China
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 10:40
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Seems we're buying a couple of these as well......

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-t...pecial-forces/
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:11
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Now where's the money coming from for those?

And as for the Chinese trip when will the RN have a worked up F-35 group?/

All b******* IMHO - his Monday morning play for news headlines - I understand Heseltine did the same I heard...
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad View Post

Interesting the ex Captain of QE, Jeremy Kydd quoted saying

"ďWe are constrained by the F-35 buy rate even though that was accelerated in SDSR in 2015, so initial operating capability numbers in 2020 are going to be very modest indeed.

We will flesh it out with helicopters, and a lot depends on how many USMC F-35s come on our first deployment in 2021. But by 2023, we are committed to 24 UK jets onboard, and after that itís too far away to say.Ē

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 13:39
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Well plenty of time to prepare a welcoming committee then - and the Chinese will probably have three carriers by then .........

Shades of the last visit of a "Prince of Wales" in that area.......
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