US Army Warrants
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
RN WO History One of the 'burning' issues of the last quarter of the 19th century was the question about the status of the warrant officer. - and at the beginning of the 21st it would seem 
Last edited by ORAC; 23rd Sep 2005 at 08:55.
ORAC,
We are not "Over Here" in your military....in our military the Army is Senior and the Navy is the junior service and as it should be too I might add.
We are not "Over Here" in your military....in our military the Army is Senior and the Navy is the junior service and as it should be too I might add.
OLD RED DAMASK
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lancashire born. In Cebu now
Age: 70
Posts: 368
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Better yet....find yerself a Marine and run your sea shanty by him....see if he has an answer you can understand.
New Enlistment Oaths
U.S. Air Force Oath of Enlistment
I, Zoomie, swear to sign away 4 years of my useless life to the United States Air Force because I'm too smart for the Army and because the Marines frighten me. I swear to sit behind a desk and take credit for the work done by others more dedicated than me who take their job seriously. I also swear not to do any form of real exercise, but promise to defend our bike riding test as a valid form of exercise.
I swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, even though I believe myself to be above that. I promise to walk around calling everyone by their first name because I know I'm not really in the military and I find it amusing to annoy the other services. I will have a better quality of life than all those around me and will at all times be sure to make them aware of that fact.
After completion of my "Basic Training," I will be a lean, mean, donut-eating, lazy-boy sitting, civilian-wearing-blue-clothes,
chairborne Ranger. I will believe I am superior to all others and will make an effort to clean the knife before stabbing the next person in the back with it. I will do no work (unless someone is watching me and it makes me look good), will annoy those around me, and will go home early every day.
I consent to never getting promoted (EVER) and understand that all those whom I made fun of yesterday will probably outrank me tomorrow.
So help me God.
U.S. Army Oath of Enlistment
I, Rambo, swear to sign away 4 years of my mediocre life to the United States Army because I couldn't score high enough on the ASVAB to get into the Air Force, because I'm not tough enough for the Marines, and the Navy won't take me because I can't swim.
I will wear camouflage every day and tuck my trousers in my boots because I can't figure out how to use blousing straps. I promise to wear my uniform 24 hours a day even when I have a date. I will continue to tell myself that I am a fierce killing machine because my Drill Sergeant told me I am, despite the fact that the only action I will ever see is a court-martial for sexual harassment.
I acknowledge the fact that I will make E-8 in my first year of service, and vow to maintain that it is because I scored perfect on my PT test. After completion of my sexual...er...I mean Boot Camp, I will attend a different Army school once every other month and return knowing less than I did when I left. On my first trip home after Boot Camp, I will walk around like I am cool and propose to my 9th grade sweetheart.I will make my wife stay home because if I let her out she might leave me for a smarter Air Force guy or a better looking Marine. Should she leave me twelve times, I will continue to take her back. While at work, I will maintain a look of knowledge while getting absolutely nothing accomplished. I will arrive at work every day at 1000 hrs because of morning PT and leave every day at 1300 to report back to the "company."
I understand that I will undergo no training whatsoever that will help me get a job upon separation, and will end up working in construction with my friends from high school. I will brag to everyone about the Army giving me $30,000 for college, but will be unable to use it because I can't pass a placement exam.
So help me God.
U.S. Navy Oath of Enlistment
I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the United States Navy because I want to hang out with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I thought the Air Force was too "corporate," and because I thought, "hey, I like to swim...why not?" I promise to wear clothing that went out of style in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair of pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good Humor man during the summer, and for Waffen SS during the winter.
I will strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-speaking world, using worlds like "deck, bulkhead, cover, and
head" instead of "floor, wall, hat, and toilet." I will take great pride in the fact that all Navy acronyms, rank and insignia, and
everything else for that matter, are completely different from the other services and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I will
muster (whatever that is) at 0700 hrs every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with the Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930 hours.
I vow to hone my coffee cup handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak being tossed around in a typhoon, and still not spill a drop. I consent to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice per fiscal year. I realize that, once selected for Chief, I am required to submit myself to the sick, and quite possibly illegal, whims of my new-found "colleagues."
So help me Neptune.
U.S. Marine Corps Oath of Enlistment
I, state your name, swear... uuhhhh... high-and-tight...
cammies... uhh... ugh... Air Force women... OORAH!
So help me Corps.
ex SNCO British Army.Would salute the Queen's commision and all
officers of other forces.But never a Warrant Officer.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 383
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sunfish - you total arse. Class distinction has the square root of f**k all to do with this, and I get quite pissed off when people claim that because I'm a British Officer I must, therefore, be a snob and a member of the middle or ruling classes. Bollocks. I come from a deprived and poor background. Get your facts straight before you post.
in our military the Army is Senior and the Navy is the junior service and as it should be too I might add.
country.When your army has a bit of history, then we may listen, until then, keep taking the "GW Bush is great pills"
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Honiton
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
ZH875
So should we apply the traditions of the Senior Service who regarded their WOs as officers until 1949 to the current Warrant Officers in the US armed forces? If we did, we would treat US WOs as officers and salute them.
So should we apply the traditions of the Senior Service who regarded their WOs as officers until 1949 to the current Warrant Officers in the US armed forces? If we did, we would treat US WOs as officers and salute them.
The only time you salute on a ship, is when you are up in front of the Captain. "Salute....Ooooorfffff Caaaaaaps!"
If you receive a salute in the army/marines you are likely to get a 7.62mm round straight through your helmet shortly after.
Oh and by the way, it is useless talking to most Spams about NATO, because if they are Pacific Fleet etc, they don't have a clue what you are on about!
If you receive a salute in the army/marines you are likely to get a 7.62mm round straight through your helmet shortly after.
Oh and by the way, it is useless talking to most Spams about NATO, because if they are Pacific Fleet etc, they don't have a clue what you are on about!
ZH....what pray tell does the age of your Navy have to do with the topic of discussion?
But, to be fair, we didn't need to spend most of our military time chasing redskins around the plains....
Gen Custer at Little Big Horn: "Hmm, bugger. There are rather a lot of them, aren't there chaps..."
We needed a navy to keep out various invaders rather more than we did an army to subjugate our natives - so our navy was the senior service. Whereas the US was once actually quite keen on letting people in by sea, but needed an army first and foremost to fight its way west to the Pacific.
Gen Custer at Little Big Horn: "Hmm, bugger. There are rather a lot of them, aren't there chaps..."
We needed a navy to keep out various invaders rather more than we did an army to subjugate our natives - so our navy was the senior service. Whereas the US was once actually quite keen on letting people in by sea, but needed an army first and foremost to fight its way west to the Pacific.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Umm, where did I put the Garmin?
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
New WO1 - you should know that the British will always work themselves into a lather over the finest, most miniscule, shades of class distinction.
Now lets see a thread about whether a Naval Commander is equivalent to an Army ???? and a ?????? in the Airforce?
Chief Tardis Technician
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Western Australia S31.715 E115.737
Age: 71
Posts: 554
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
After 22 Yrs RAAF, a WO would be addressed as Sir but never saluted, woe betied the person that did. Same with the Army, but never did and still cant work out the Navy rank structure until they are Commisioned.
My perception is that you are probably correct with your assumption, New_WO1!
Have a nice day!
But do remember, old bean, that our Aussie chums do not take normally take very kindly to being referred to as 'Brits'....
Have a nice day!
But do remember, old bean, that our Aussie chums do not take normally take very kindly to being referred to as 'Brits'....
OLD RED DAMASK
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Lancashire born. In Cebu now
Age: 70
Posts: 368
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A lieutenant was out walking one day, and came upon a little boy, playing with a pile of s**t."Son, what are you doing?" asked the lieutenant."I'm building an NCO," said the boy.The lieutenant, thinking this was quite funny, returned with his captain, and asked the same question. Again, the boy replied that he was building an NCO.The captain, also thinking it was funny, went back to the company area, and brought a sergeant out. Again the question was asked, and the reply was the same.The sergeant then asked the boy why he was building an NCO.The boy replied "Because I don't have enough s**t to make an officer."
Of course apologies to all who hold the Queen's commission.
Of course apologies to all who hold the Queen's commission.
ZH...
Excuse me but yer need to get over it....really!
The bait fell quite placidly into the glassy smooth alpine lake just at sunrise when there was not a whisper of a breeze....not even a ripple marked its landing...until....WHOOSH! From the icy depths charged a lurker to take the bait!
Good on yer WO-1!
Excuse me but yer need to get over it....really!
The bait fell quite placidly into the glassy smooth alpine lake just at sunrise when there was not a whisper of a breeze....not even a ripple marked its landing...until....WHOOSH! From the icy depths charged a lurker to take the bait!
Good on yer WO-1!
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hello All
The British/ANZACs are not the only ones that have WOs. Here in Canada a WO is the same. For a Warrant is not a Snr NCO, he is a WARRANT. Given a Goverment Generals Warrant and not a Royal Commission. When we have US soldiers come up and stay, US WOs stay in the WOs/Sgts shacks and eat in mess.
The Marines try the Officer thing here, the Base Commander and Base RSM refused they stay in the Officers shacks. The only ones that are addressed as "SIR" are Master Warants and Chief Warrants.
This is like our Master Cpls. They are equal to Snr NCOs (Jr Sgts) in some countries, but but stay in the Jr NCO shacks.
Here's a LIL thing I dug up.
The Warrant Officer
"God made Warrant Officers to give the junior enlisted NCO someone to worship, the senior NCO someone to envy, the junior officer someone to tolerate, and the senior officer someone to respect."
I am a Armour Recce WO regular force, 25 yrs in and still going.
The British/ANZACs are not the only ones that have WOs. Here in Canada a WO is the same. For a Warrant is not a Snr NCO, he is a WARRANT. Given a Goverment Generals Warrant and not a Royal Commission. When we have US soldiers come up and stay, US WOs stay in the WOs/Sgts shacks and eat in mess.
The Marines try the Officer thing here, the Base Commander and Base RSM refused they stay in the Officers shacks. The only ones that are addressed as "SIR" are Master Warants and Chief Warrants.
This is like our Master Cpls. They are equal to Snr NCOs (Jr Sgts) in some countries, but but stay in the Jr NCO shacks.
Here's a LIL thing I dug up.
The Warrant Officer
"God made Warrant Officers to give the junior enlisted NCO someone to worship, the senior NCO someone to envy, the junior officer someone to tolerate, and the senior officer someone to respect."
I am a Armour Recce WO regular force, 25 yrs in and still going.
Last edited by recce41; 24th Sep 2005 at 16:46.