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As that US military aviation feisty sage of safety, Grampaw Pettibone would likely say, albeit in another context, "Well holy snapping d*ck****, great balls of fire, great horned toadies and Jehosaphat New_WO1, you must have calluses on both hands now"!
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New-WO1.
Are you deliberately making this difficult to understand or are you self-centred enough to believe that you have a right to compliments that do NOT exist in the British Armed Forces? If it is the former I respectfully suggest some reading material of the kind that Army Mover suggests. If it is the latter I am afraid your argument is useless. As an ex WO11 I have a warrant but it entitled me to no more than the rank as described in Queen's Regulations. No more no less.
This debate is going around in circles and making people a bit exasperated. This is clearly our rules against yours. End of story wouldn't you say sir?
Have a nice day!
Are you deliberately making this difficult to understand or are you self-centred enough to believe that you have a right to compliments that do NOT exist in the British Armed Forces? If it is the former I respectfully suggest some reading material of the kind that Army Mover suggests. If it is the latter I am afraid your argument is useless. As an ex WO11 I have a warrant but it entitled me to no more than the rank as described in Queen's Regulations. No more no less.
This debate is going around in circles and making people a bit exasperated. This is clearly our rules against yours. End of story wouldn't you say sir?
Have a nice day!
Mover,
Hows about posting the part of the old Girl's edicts that pertains to rendering military courtesies to other nation's military officers. What's she say about that?
Also...how would you react if American military troops ignored your rank completely and reminded you that we chucked out the whole notion of royalty a few hundred years ago and thus have no truck with you lot and your traditions these days as a result?
Thus, despite being commissioned by the Queen, your commission would be without basis in our view and thus your claim to rank would be frivolous in nature....thus not worthy of consideration. That would mean therefore, that none of the British Officers would rate a salute from any American military person...is that where you would like for this to go? I thought saluting came from the old tradition of Knights raising sword arms as they passed....warrior to warrior show of respect.
Is that not what you are telling WO-1 when you state what you did in your post? You have no respect for tradition or other military forces that are engaged in combat with a common enemy as we speak?
Hows about posting the part of the old Girl's edicts that pertains to rendering military courtesies to other nation's military officers. What's she say about that?
Also...how would you react if American military troops ignored your rank completely and reminded you that we chucked out the whole notion of royalty a few hundred years ago and thus have no truck with you lot and your traditions these days as a result?
Thus, despite being commissioned by the Queen, your commission would be without basis in our view and thus your claim to rank would be frivolous in nature....thus not worthy of consideration. That would mean therefore, that none of the British Officers would rate a salute from any American military person...is that where you would like for this to go? I thought saluting came from the old tradition of Knights raising sword arms as they passed....warrior to warrior show of respect.
Is that not what you are telling WO-1 when you state what you did in your post? You have no respect for tradition or other military forces that are engaged in combat with a common enemy as we speak?
SASless, HALpilot, New_WO1 et al,
Maybe the reason why A LOT OF PEOPLE hate the Americans, is because you DEMAND respect.
Maybe if you EARNED respect, people will volunteer to do what you so desparately need/want them to do.
Until then, keep taking the happy pills.
edited to please SASless
Maybe the reason why A LOT OF PEOPLE hate the Americans, is because you DEMAND respect.
Maybe if you EARNED respect, people will volunteer to do what you so desparately need/want them to do.
Until then, keep taking the happy pills.
edited to please SASless
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ZH,
Everyone? You speak for the entire world now do you? Just what logical basis do you predicate that statement?
Everyone? You speak for the entire world now do you? Just what logical basis do you predicate that statement?
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SASless,
To answer your question's:
1. The Queens Regulations say nothing about "rendering military courtesies to other nation's military officers". It is always down to local commanders.
2. I'd never be in that position. You and your colleague are wrong and seem to be taking offence because of your mistake.
3. Erm, no - your regulations require you to pay compliments to an officer of friendly foreign countries. I always paid compliments to U.S. Officers of all of your Services, but our regulations specifically exclude the same honour to Warrant Officers (not just yours - we are rude to all of them), they would be addressed as "Sir".
4. Your traditions are not ours. If the rules are causing unrest among the U.S. Forces, then either get someone to change the rules or properly train your personnel in the correct honours and traditions they can expect to receive from foreign armed forces.
I note that your regulations require you to pay compliments to "Officers of Friendly Foreign Countries". Who decides who or what is a friendly country ??? Do you have a current list ??? Do countries get added/removed, if so - how is this published ??? If a British officer on here is unfriendly towards New_WO1, is he excused from paying him further compliments ???
To answer your question's:
1. The Queens Regulations say nothing about "rendering military courtesies to other nation's military officers". It is always down to local commanders.
2. I'd never be in that position. You and your colleague are wrong and seem to be taking offence because of your mistake.
3. Erm, no - your regulations require you to pay compliments to an officer of friendly foreign countries. I always paid compliments to U.S. Officers of all of your Services, but our regulations specifically exclude the same honour to Warrant Officers (not just yours - we are rude to all of them), they would be addressed as "Sir".
4. Your traditions are not ours. If the rules are causing unrest among the U.S. Forces, then either get someone to change the rules or properly train your personnel in the correct honours and traditions they can expect to receive from foreign armed forces.
I note that your regulations require you to pay compliments to "Officers of Friendly Foreign Countries". Who decides who or what is a friendly country ??? Do you have a current list ??? Do countries get added/removed, if so - how is this published ??? If a British officer on here is unfriendly towards New_WO1, is he excused from paying him further compliments ???
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Army Mover said:
I suppose the obvious question is: Should US Chief Warrant Officers appointed by Commission be classified as Officers or Warrant Officers under QRs?
I always paid compliments to U.S. Officers of all of your Services, but our regulations specifically exclude the same honour to Warrant Officers
I suppose the obvious question is: Should US Chief Warrant Officers appointed by Commission be classified as Officers or Warrant Officers under QRs?
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For God's sake, why are we still arguing about this? To my mind there have been a lot of very childish, snide and unhelpful remarks made, particularly over the last couple of pages. America and Britain are allies. Sure, Britain hangs off Uncle Sam's coat-tails somewhat, but militarily we've been the closest nations in the world for almost a Century now. Can't we move on from this stupidity?
New_WO1, you've done nothing other than illustrate your poor grace at accepting the rights and responsibilities of command. Demanding respect will never gain you respect. The reason British noncomissioned personnel will not salute US CWOs is because they do not know that US CWOs carry a commission. Soldiers, sailors and airmen are taught to call ALL warrant officers 'Sir', and NOT to salute them. If we tried to teach our recruits the intricacies of every allied nation's armed forces they would never get to grips with it all.
Get over it, for Christ's sake. We DO NOT mean US CWOs disrespect. It's a simple measure of the fact that the US armed forces have developed a rank structure somewhat different to other nations. New_WO1, your wailing, and your occasional sh*t-stirring postings have not helped this debate at all. For the sake of harmony, PLEASE give up - right or wrong, this is a debate you will never win!
I am also ashamed at some of my compatriots for some of the vituperative comments made about our US allies. Whatever people think about the Bush-Blair alliance, sarcastic remarks about Vietnam and 1814 will not help make our case. Yes, we're all proud to serve Her Majesty, and, yes, some of our less diplomatic American cousins disagree with the principles of monarchay. Fine. No reason for us to react by making denigrating remarks about US history. Despite Hollywood's distortions, and despite our own unreasonable perceptions and expectations of the American superculture, it remains a fact that without the support of the USA we would likely have lost WWII. A little humility (tempered by the pride of having a longer history) never did anyone any harm.
BEags, old boy, as one who probably fought in the Colonial Wars, maybe we all owe you some classy Kentucky Bourbon and some rich Islay Whisky...
New_WO1, you've done nothing other than illustrate your poor grace at accepting the rights and responsibilities of command. Demanding respect will never gain you respect. The reason British noncomissioned personnel will not salute US CWOs is because they do not know that US CWOs carry a commission. Soldiers, sailors and airmen are taught to call ALL warrant officers 'Sir', and NOT to salute them. If we tried to teach our recruits the intricacies of every allied nation's armed forces they would never get to grips with it all.
Get over it, for Christ's sake. We DO NOT mean US CWOs disrespect. It's a simple measure of the fact that the US armed forces have developed a rank structure somewhat different to other nations. New_WO1, your wailing, and your occasional sh*t-stirring postings have not helped this debate at all. For the sake of harmony, PLEASE give up - right or wrong, this is a debate you will never win!
I am also ashamed at some of my compatriots for some of the vituperative comments made about our US allies. Whatever people think about the Bush-Blair alliance, sarcastic remarks about Vietnam and 1814 will not help make our case. Yes, we're all proud to serve Her Majesty, and, yes, some of our less diplomatic American cousins disagree with the principles of monarchay. Fine. No reason for us to react by making denigrating remarks about US history. Despite Hollywood's distortions, and despite our own unreasonable perceptions and expectations of the American superculture, it remains a fact that without the support of the USA we would likely have lost WWII. A little humility (tempered by the pride of having a longer history) never did anyone any harm.
BEags, old boy, as one who probably fought in the Colonial Wars, maybe we all owe you some classy Kentucky Bourbon and some rich Islay Whisky...
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Blimin 'eck. I can’t believe this has gone on for sooo long!
What started off as a bit of a wind up, has gone onto be a 17 page marathon!!
I started the thread to see if the reaction here was the same as it was on Arrse (the real New_WO1 asked the original question over there and I merely repeated it over here to prove that he was a simpleton).
BTW, all of my posts here were copy and pastes of his posts on the other site.
I must congratulate all participants on their contributions. It has certainly made me chuckle (If not opened a few of our eyes to some of the strange views some members have towards each other!).
Can all members now clean up their dummies and pick up their teddy bears as it is causing a FOD hazard.
I shall now retire this user name and revert to a less troublesome one.
PS To the real New_WO1. I hope you now understand how the Army and RAF view you and your rather limited grasp of your own self importance. Your opening gambit on Arrse has accrued somewhere in the region of 600 replies and nearly 40000 views here and there. If that doest get the message across, I dont know what will!
What started off as a bit of a wind up, has gone onto be a 17 page marathon!!
I started the thread to see if the reaction here was the same as it was on Arrse (the real New_WO1 asked the original question over there and I merely repeated it over here to prove that he was a simpleton).
BTW, all of my posts here were copy and pastes of his posts on the other site.
I must congratulate all participants on their contributions. It has certainly made me chuckle (If not opened a few of our eyes to some of the strange views some members have towards each other!).
Can all members now clean up their dummies and pick up their teddy bears as it is causing a FOD hazard.
I shall now retire this user name and revert to a less troublesome one.
PS To the real New_WO1. I hope you now understand how the Army and RAF view you and your rather limited grasp of your own self importance. Your opening gambit on Arrse has accrued somewhere in the region of 600 replies and nearly 40000 views here and there. If that doest get the message across, I dont know what will!
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After I read the real New_WO1's post on ARRSE (or was it military.com?) a week or two ago, where he plaintively cried "This isn't me!" with a link to this thread, I knew what was up, but kept quiet for the same reason - to see what came out of the woodwork.
As per my previous post in here, for an aspiring wannabe mil pilot who will enter as an Officer Cadet and take a while before even being a 2nd Lt, this thread has been very educational.
Would the real New_WO1 please stand up?
... it'd be interesting to meet the real one in person, eh?
As per my previous post in here, for an aspiring wannabe mil pilot who will enter as an Officer Cadet and take a while before even being a 2nd Lt, this thread has been very educational.
Would the real New_WO1 please stand up?
... it'd be interesting to meet the real one in person, eh?
Vote Time.....
Who actually believes that WO-1 is in fact an American WO-1?
Who thinks WO-1 is anything but an American WO-1?
This being the Military Aircrew forum....and of all places...ARRSE is probably the best fishing hole in the world...anyone reckon there was a big ol' trolling contest going on at both places?
I placed my vote quite a while back....I vote for the Super Troll.
What is impressive is the numbers and kinds of insulting posts made regarding the topic. I reckon some fish will always fall for the simplest of baits.
Who actually believes that WO-1 is in fact an American WO-1?
Who thinks WO-1 is anything but an American WO-1?
This being the Military Aircrew forum....and of all places...ARRSE is probably the best fishing hole in the world...anyone reckon there was a big ol' trolling contest going on at both places?
I placed my vote quite a while back....I vote for the Super Troll.
What is impressive is the numbers and kinds of insulting posts made regarding the topic. I reckon some fish will always fall for the simplest of baits.
Not enough $$$ ...
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The original ARRSE and subsequently military.com New_WO1 was the real deal I believe, if you read the posts - too "real" in his whining to be a troll.
This one, however, lives under a bridge and likes to roar at billy goats gruff.
This one, however, lives under a bridge and likes to roar at billy goats gruff.
