Movers v Loadies (Merged)
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ABIW,
"Making the assumption that the aircraft got all the way to Canada without incident and all the previous trim sheets had been completed by the ALM what can we further assume?"
The frame actually arrived in Vancouver empty,apart from the pack up of course.
Anyway it's water under the bridge now and I only mentioned it to demonstrate that even the aircrew brotherhood do make mistakes.
I recall in a previous post I mentioned that in those days there was no bitchiness between MAMS teams and Loadies. This particular Loadie,a Master,was a total gentleman and treated us young sprogs to several beers in The Flyers at Gander later that day.
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"Making the assumption that the aircraft got all the way to Canada without incident and all the previous trim sheets had been completed by the ALM what can we further assume?"
The frame actually arrived in Vancouver empty,apart from the pack up of course.
Anyway it's water under the bridge now and I only mentioned it to demonstrate that even the aircrew brotherhood do make mistakes.
I recall in a previous post I mentioned that in those days there was no bitchiness between MAMS teams and Loadies. This particular Loadie,a Master,was a total gentleman and treated us young sprogs to several beers in The Flyers at Gander later that day.
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Enumber,
I would suggest you go back through these pages to check the validity of "that in those days there was no bitchiness between MAMS teams and Loadies" as I am not sure the statement rings true
Page 1 first entry, posted by..............."you" funny old thing
"So you see, the Loadmasters were only average NCO's but the Movers were in fact very smart Suppliers. It was only when the manning levels of NCO Suppliers got dangerously low that the Loadmaster trade was opened up to volunteers from Clerk Secretarial and Dog Handlers"............so I pose a question that I know you will duck and I will keep asking it............. if you guys were so smart then why do we still NEED Loadies now?
This question is also open to any other muppets that frequent these hallowed pages and can come up with the bleedin obvious!
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
I would suggest you go back through these pages to check the validity of "that in those days there was no bitchiness between MAMS teams and Loadies" as I am not sure the statement rings true
Page 1 first entry, posted by..............."you" funny old thing
"So you see, the Loadmasters were only average NCO's but the Movers were in fact very smart Suppliers. It was only when the manning levels of NCO Suppliers got dangerously low that the Loadmaster trade was opened up to volunteers from Clerk Secretarial and Dog Handlers"............so I pose a question that I know you will duck and I will keep asking it............. if you guys were so smart then why do we still NEED Loadies now?
This question is also open to any other muppets that frequent these hallowed pages and can come up with the bleedin obvious!all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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ABIW,
Yes it was a rather strong opening post to the thread but it had the desired effect did it not.
Still running after nine months so some of us are still being amused..................................or not ?
Rgds,
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Yes it was a rather strong opening post to the thread but it had the desired effect did it not.
Still running after nine months so some of us are still being amused..................................or not ?
Rgds,
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"Just out of interest - was there a resulting Court of Inquiry after your escapade ?"
Filed an MOR which seemed to get sucked into the military black hole and heard nothing!
"Just out of interest - was there a resulting Court of Inquiry after your escapade ?"
Filed an MOR which seemed to get sucked into the military black hole and heard nothing!
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I'm not a Loadie or muppet, but as I have enjoyed this thread soo much, thought I might just add a little.
Carrying a preflight at a secret airbase in Wilts. Loadie says "think we are going to be late off chocks, this LOX container is full and I can't believe it only weighs 5000 lbs." Much arguing with muppets leads to arrival of muppet leader. Muppet leader also argues. Captain arrives, "I'm not going anywhere unless the loadie is happy so get this thing check weighed." Very angry movers finally weigh said container. Very sheepish muppets come back with 11,000 lbs LOX container (what ever could have happened), and reload it.
Loadie now has to point out that LOX container is too high and heavy for side guidance. However, wanting to get the job done he ties it down and everyone is happy.
Muppet leader realises that this could look bad for him. 5 days late on return from task, Loadie finds STANEVAL waiting to E cat him on the word of muppet leader, due to unusual tie down scheme. After ac Captain explains, STANEVAL direct their attention on muppets.
Everyone makes mistakes, but this experiance left a sour taste, and unfortunatly highlights a fundemental differance in work ethos.
On another note if your happy being a mover good for you. If you want to be a loadie, do the training (if you havent failed selection or training already). If you have just got a chip on your shoulder keep posting cos its good for a laugh, and from the posts I'm sure you muppets think your going to change the system. I don't what to spoil the fun but I'm suprised you clever muppets havent realised the wind up, you argue as if the Loadies want your job. However, I dont know any Loadies who want to be movers.
You aint seen me right.
Homeward bound out of Vancouver with Albert bulging at the seams. After some time airborne a major rant starts on the flight deck.
Carrying a preflight at a secret airbase in Wilts. Loadie says "think we are going to be late off chocks, this LOX container is full and I can't believe it only weighs 5000 lbs." Much arguing with muppets leads to arrival of muppet leader. Muppet leader also argues. Captain arrives, "I'm not going anywhere unless the loadie is happy so get this thing check weighed." Very angry movers finally weigh said container. Very sheepish muppets come back with 11,000 lbs LOX container (what ever could have happened), and reload it.
Loadie now has to point out that LOX container is too high and heavy for side guidance. However, wanting to get the job done he ties it down and everyone is happy.
Muppet leader realises that this could look bad for him. 5 days late on return from task, Loadie finds STANEVAL waiting to E cat him on the word of muppet leader, due to unusual tie down scheme. After ac Captain explains, STANEVAL direct their attention on muppets.
Everyone makes mistakes, but this experiance left a sour taste, and unfortunatly highlights a fundemental differance in work ethos.
On another note if your happy being a mover good for you. If you want to be a loadie, do the training (if you havent failed selection or training already). If you have just got a chip on your shoulder keep posting cos its good for a laugh, and from the posts I'm sure you muppets think your going to change the system. I don't what to spoil the fun but I'm suprised you clever muppets havent realised the wind up, you argue as if the Loadies want your job. However, I dont know any Loadies who want to be movers.
You aint seen me right.
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QE4,
Excellent post,thank you (seriously).
Hate to mention the Lbs/Kgs thing again which ABIW dismissed as faf but 5000kg/11000 lbs - makes you think does it not.
"On another note if your happy being a mover good for you. If you want to be a loadie, do the training (if you havent failed selection or training already). If you have just got a chip on your shoulder keep posting cos its good for a laugh".
Yes, I was happy being a Mover and no there is no chip. All that was a long time ago and the memories are happy ones.
This thread ,and others, are fun and as long as wind ups continue in a friendly manner then I shall continue posting.
Rgds
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Excellent post,thank you (seriously).
Hate to mention the Lbs/Kgs thing again which ABIW dismissed as faf but 5000kg/11000 lbs - makes you think does it not.
"On another note if your happy being a mover good for you. If you want to be a loadie, do the training (if you havent failed selection or training already). If you have just got a chip on your shoulder keep posting cos its good for a laugh".
Yes, I was happy being a Mover and no there is no chip. All that was a long time ago and the memories are happy ones.
This thread ,and others, are fun and as long as wind ups continue in a friendly manner then I shall continue posting.
Rgds
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Mmmmmm
Don’t remember this one.
Got to get a dig in here guys.
One very early take off, on a very cold January morning.
A two stopper.
17C
4 pallets to Bodo and some very rough looking gentlemen to Bergen.
Now when I last looked at the map, Bodo is quite a long way from Bergen.
Albert lands at Bergen. Engines running offload. The very rough looking gentlemen make their way out the crew door, and our team saunter down to the ramp and un-net the bags, and toss them off (if you pardon the expression) and close up.
Quick trip up the stairs for a brew and back down and strap in.
Loadie gets back in, shuts the crew door, propeller pitch rises a bit, brakes off
And Whoa! Every pallet slides backwards towards the ramp!
It transpired, that while we were getting the bags off, he forgot himself and had walked round and un locked every spigot ready for the offload!
Just the one airfield early then.
Don’t remember this one.
Got to get a dig in here guys.
One very early take off, on a very cold January morning.
A two stopper.
17C
4 pallets to Bodo and some very rough looking gentlemen to Bergen.
Now when I last looked at the map, Bodo is quite a long way from Bergen.
Albert lands at Bergen. Engines running offload. The very rough looking gentlemen make their way out the crew door, and our team saunter down to the ramp and un-net the bags, and toss them off (if you pardon the expression) and close up.
Quick trip up the stairs for a brew and back down and strap in.
Loadie gets back in, shuts the crew door, propeller pitch rises a bit, brakes off
And Whoa! Every pallet slides backwards towards the ramp!
It transpired, that while we were getting the bags off, he forgot himself and had walked round and un locked every spigot ready for the offload!
Just the one airfield early then.
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ML,
Good story,fine piece of banter,no vitriolic comments.
ABIW,
Well,bollocks to it. Mrs E has just served me up a rather excellent chilli which was washed down with the best part of a litre of West Cape white and I feel in the best of spirits. Being in a somewhat benevolent mood I will answer your question.
The reason that we need Loadies is because PJI's are feckin untrainable so couldn't do the job.Howzat!!
My last word on the subject so come up with some fresh banter pleeeeease.
Rgds to all on this friendly thread,
E5.
Good story,fine piece of banter,no vitriolic comments.
ABIW,
Well,bollocks to it. Mrs E has just served me up a rather excellent chilli which was washed down with the best part of a litre of West Cape white and I feel in the best of spirits. Being in a somewhat benevolent mood I will answer your question.
The reason that we need Loadies is because PJI's are feckin untrainable so couldn't do the job.Howzat!!
My last word on the subject so come up with some fresh banter pleeeeease.
Rgds to all on this friendly thread,
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Hirsute,
Your mistake I feel was entrusting your complaint to the Muppet Empire..........QE4's post shows the calibre of your typical ML so no wonder nothing happened
Calibration was the excuse given to our STANEVAL crew for the very recent incident with a 600kg weight discrepancy........... b@ll@cks!! was the reply and we await the outcome..........which I suspect will get some feckwit off the hook
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Your mistake I feel was entrusting your complaint to the Muppet Empire..........QE4's post shows the calibre of your typical ML so no wonder nothing happened
Calibration was the excuse given to our STANEVAL crew for the very recent incident with a 600kg weight discrepancy........... b@ll@cks!! was the reply and we await the outcome..........which I suspect will get some feckwit off the hook
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Why do we bleedin need Loadies now? Well, someone's got to make the tea and open the doors in-flight when required. You used the term NCOs as against SNCOs so why can't you start at Cpl as per the Canadians? That way you still skip at least two ranks but you will still sadly not earn the respect of those who have to earn their way up the career ladder. In my youth I was always told that the reason they made AQM/ALM a trade rather than use suppliers was because they were not really part of the crew and as so much would speak the truth or refuse to keep schtum when embarrassing bollox were dropped.....
Incidentally in my long time of flying in Alberts' I have at least twice removed the pin from the lock position on the para door before we were about to take off. Didn't make a meal of it as we all make mistakes. Mind you self preservation was also involved.
Also remember a Loadie in the early eighties who was eventually moved from Hercs (Both aircrew and groundcrew were happy about that one) and went on to VC10s. One unofficial 'dodge' movers/aircrew used to do if payload was tight was to 'ditch the drinking water in the galleys'. This would claw back an extra 1000 lbs or was it 454 kgs? Anyhow this was a paperwork exercise until this gentleman was operating. After the initial climb-out the Captain asked for his tea and was told that there would be none as he had told the Loadie to lose the drinking water....
Why do we bleedin need Loadies now? Well, someone's got to make the tea and open the doors in-flight when required. You used the term NCOs as against SNCOs so why can't you start at Cpl as per the Canadians? That way you still skip at least two ranks but you will still sadly not earn the respect of those who have to earn their way up the career ladder. In my youth I was always told that the reason they made AQM/ALM a trade rather than use suppliers was because they were not really part of the crew and as so much would speak the truth or refuse to keep schtum when embarrassing bollox were dropped.....
Incidentally in my long time of flying in Alberts' I have at least twice removed the pin from the lock position on the para door before we were about to take off. Didn't make a meal of it as we all make mistakes. Mind you self preservation was also involved.
Also remember a Loadie in the early eighties who was eventually moved from Hercs (Both aircrew and groundcrew were happy about that one) and went on to VC10s. One unofficial 'dodge' movers/aircrew used to do if payload was tight was to 'ditch the drinking water in the galleys'. This would claw back an extra 1000 lbs or was it 454 kgs? Anyhow this was a paperwork exercise until this gentleman was operating. After the initial climb-out the Captain asked for his tea and was told that there would be none as he had told the Loadie to lose the drinking water....
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It seems the general feeling is that all loadies think that all other trades aspire to be one day an ALM, And we should shut up or do selection and to think just because you question this you have failed OASC or not been signed on is well not worth .
I do know a number of lads that have taken that route and dont have a problem with it as it was right for them, but having trained and worked with some of the current ALMs that struggled with both their Mov Ops and Controllers course but managed to wear the right tie and knew the current editor of the telegraph and flew through the ALM course makes me wonder its just not that difficult.
ABIW please carry on your thread of your highly paid status so I can go and chuckle
I do know a number of lads that have taken that route and dont have a problem with it as it was right for them, but having trained and worked with some of the current ALMs that struggled with both their Mov Ops and Controllers course but managed to wear the right tie and knew the current editor of the telegraph and flew through the ALM course makes me wonder its just not that difficult.
ABIW please carry on your thread of your highly paid status so I can go and chuckle
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I may be stating the obvious, but since this this site is designed for AIRCREW and this thread specifically for MILITARY AIRCREW, WTF are movers doing posting here anyway? surely you should be in the wannabe's forum, if anywhere? The fact that muppets are on here at all says it all really.......you ARE all aircrew wannabes!
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this thread specifically for MILITARY AIRCREW, WTF are movers doing posting here anyway?
This is
A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here.