Movers v Loadies (Merged)
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Grimweasel,
No need for MS Word or spell check. I just go down to the bottom of the page and click on " Post Reply " then type away. I do have a dictionary to hand if I want to be particularly clever. I must admit that I haven't mastered the art of cut and paste. I have however ordered a copy of " An Idiots Guide to PC " so I will get there eventually.
Just a thought:
" you small minded working class monkey "
To be honest I've never given any thought to my class as I've always been quite comfortable with my lot in life. You however have the mark of an individual who has come from humble beginnings, achieved a little, and now scorn those less fortunate than yourself.
I recall a few weeks ago that ABIW berated some individual who was going on about his rank. Like rank, class has no place on these threads.
I suppose you will now be telling us that Ive taken the bait or that it was all " tongue in cheek ".
ABIW,
I'm well aware of what a Gimlet is but checked to see what the Oxford Dictionary had to say about it. Very Good and very apt I would say.
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No need for MS Word or spell check. I just go down to the bottom of the page and click on " Post Reply " then type away. I do have a dictionary to hand if I want to be particularly clever. I must admit that I haven't mastered the art of cut and paste. I have however ordered a copy of " An Idiots Guide to PC " so I will get there eventually.
Just a thought:
" you small minded working class monkey "
To be honest I've never given any thought to my class as I've always been quite comfortable with my lot in life. You however have the mark of an individual who has come from humble beginnings, achieved a little, and now scorn those less fortunate than yourself.
I recall a few weeks ago that ABIW berated some individual who was going on about his rank. Like rank, class has no place on these threads.
I suppose you will now be telling us that Ive taken the bait or that it was all " tongue in cheek ".
ABIW,
I'm well aware of what a Gimlet is but checked to see what the Oxford Dictionary had to say about it. Very Good and very apt I would say.
E5
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Echo...
Good post old chap.
Apologies for the class thing it was only that I couldn't spell knuckle dragging simian at the time.
All in good jest anyhow! I must stop posting apres mit vin rouge!
Good post old chap.
Apologies for the class thing it was only that I couldn't spell knuckle dragging simian at the time.
All in good jest anyhow! I must stop posting apres mit vin rouge!
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Picks himself up of the floor
Grim,
Is this the new you
If it is I think we could grow to like it................however the old you was extremely funny to cross swords with
Which ever guise you intend posting under please continue as the winter evenings would not be quite the same without it
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Grim,
Is this the new you
If it is I think we could grow to like it................however the old you was extremely funny to cross swords with Which ever guise you intend posting under please continue as the winter evenings would not be quite the same without it
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Okay guys lets hang up the gloves, stop bickering, and get the thread back on course.
Read in the Daily Express today about some female " Top Gun " pilot (their words not mine) who flew Nimrods and has just won compensation from MOD because of some supposedly naughty goings on by her crewmates.
This got me to thinking about WOMEN in our respective trades. Now as far back as I can remember there have been female Movements Officers on Passenger/DAMO duties and female Loadies on the shiny fleet.
It came as a bit of a surprise when enlisted females joined the Movements Trade and shocked when they were allowed on Mobile Teams(maybe I'm just old fashioned). As I recall it was hard enough carrying some of the Officers so I wonder how the guys get on with a lady on board. Any comments Movers?
I guess I was equally surprised about four years ago when I had a jolly on Albert and saw that one of the Loadies was a lady (on the TAC Fleet!!). Any comments from either persuasion ?
Remember people these posts are anonymous so unless you've compromised yourself nobody is going to rip your bits off.
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Read in the Daily Express today about some female " Top Gun " pilot (their words not mine) who flew Nimrods and has just won compensation from MOD because of some supposedly naughty goings on by her crewmates.
This got me to thinking about WOMEN in our respective trades. Now as far back as I can remember there have been female Movements Officers on Passenger/DAMO duties and female Loadies on the shiny fleet.
It came as a bit of a surprise when enlisted females joined the Movements Trade and shocked when they were allowed on Mobile Teams(maybe I'm just old fashioned). As I recall it was hard enough carrying some of the Officers so I wonder how the guys get on with a lady on board. Any comments Movers?
I guess I was equally surprised about four years ago when I had a jolly on Albert and saw that one of the Loadies was a lady (on the TAC Fleet!!). Any comments from either persuasion ?
Remember people these posts are anonymous so unless you've compromised yourself nobody is going to rip your bits off.
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I remember in '88 while down on ASI we had an Air Comodore that flew all the way down to to assure us that WRAF would not be joining the trade, and if they were they would not have fast track promotions and would not get all the nice office jobs and would be humping bags with the lads if they were allowed in.
Three years later I see 2 WRAF's at BZZ trying to get a bergen onto a baggage belt - not impressed when one of the lads had to do it for them.
Not much better on the Oggy side - carrying more than the girls there!
Three years later I see 2 WRAF's at BZZ trying to get a bergen onto a baggage belt - not impressed when one of the lads had to do it for them.
Not much better on the Oggy side - carrying more than the girls there!
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It was only a matter of time but............sorry in advance
............the movements trade was already full of miserable old women ( normally FS and WO) and pre menstrual slack bladdered tarts (Sgts and below) So the addition of real women to the trade was on obvious improvement, where the ladies rather than feeling out of place would naturally feel at home Their inbread ability and need to tidy up after themselves is also a big bonus cos when in charge they seldom leave the back of Albert looking like the big bag of Pooh their male... "maleish" couterparts leave it in
As for female Loadies..........telling muppets where to put things is not gender specific
and any way anyone who can complete ITC gets my feckin vote
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............the movements trade was already full of miserable old women ( normally FS and WO) and pre menstrual slack bladdered tarts (Sgts and below) So the addition of real women to the trade was on obvious improvement, where the ladies rather than feeling out of place would naturally feel at home Their inbread ability and need to tidy up after themselves is also a big bonus cos when in charge they seldom leave the back of Albert looking like the big bag of Pooh their male... "maleish" couterparts leave it inAs for female Loadies..........telling muppets where to put things is not gender specific
and any way anyone who can complete ITC gets my feckin vote all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Gender not the issue - more the individual.
I've worked with girls that could bump-start a Chinook. I've worked with guys that could not punch their way out of the proverbial paper bag. I have also worked with some right old women, but the majority of that category were not genetically predisposed in that direction!
As for female DAMOs etc. Can't comment. Lumpy Jumper Syndrome means that, statistically, I'll be working for a few of 'em as they get promoted past me!
I've worked with girls that could bump-start a Chinook. I've worked with guys that could not punch their way out of the proverbial paper bag. I have also worked with some right old women, but the majority of that category were not genetically predisposed in that direction!
As for female DAMOs etc. Can't comment. Lumpy Jumper Syndrome means that, statistically, I'll be working for a few of 'em as they get promoted past me!
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MSF,
The first Bergen that I tried to lift belonged to a guy who lived down by the Welsh border. I thought at first it must have been nailed to the floor.Hate to think what could have been in it .Perhaps your two ladies can be forgiven for not managing to lift said Bergen which was probably well over the normal(ish) 20kg.
Makes a change doesn't it to read a few posts on this thread where there is no obvious malice.
E5
The first Bergen that I tried to lift belonged to a guy who lived down by the Welsh border. I thought at first it must have been nailed to the floor.Hate to think what could have been in it .Perhaps your two ladies can be forgiven for not managing to lift said Bergen which was probably well over the normal(ish) 20kg.
Makes a change doesn't it to read a few posts on this thread where there is no obvious malice.
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Mr C,
The main differance is that a good WO/FS is worth their weight in gold whilst a good DAMO is as rare as rocking horse
sh!t
Lumpy jumper or no lumpy jumper
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The main differance is that a good WO/FS is worth their weight in gold whilst a good DAMO is as rare as rocking horse
sh!t
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OK, thats enough! Someone needs to come in and defend the DAMOs of this world!
One thing you loadies need to get your head around is that you are just working 1 aircraft. Often as a DAMO you can be dealing with 3 outbounds and an inbound at once. Your maybe not quite as important as you think you are. DAMOs have to allocate their time as they see fit and look at the 'bigger picture', something that maybe you crews are not used to!
Yes, we make mistakes but the job can be extremely demanding and different problems come your way each day. We have fewer and fewer guys on shift with less and less experience.
Maybe if the loadies and movers out on the pan actually work as a team a lot of problems would be solved without the DAMO having to get involved. I know of some loadies at one of the larger RAF bases who won't deal with the traffic team leader and always want to speak to the DAMO! What a waste of everyones time.
I'm sure we're all supposed to be on the same side!
Rant off!
OK, thats enough! Someone needs to come in and defend the DAMOs of this world!
One thing you loadies need to get your head around is that you are just working 1 aircraft. Often as a DAMO you can be dealing with 3 outbounds and an inbound at once. Your maybe not quite as important as you think you are. DAMOs have to allocate their time as they see fit and look at the 'bigger picture', something that maybe you crews are not used to!
Yes, we make mistakes but the job can be extremely demanding and different problems come your way each day. We have fewer and fewer guys on shift with less and less experience.
Maybe if the loadies and movers out on the pan actually work as a team a lot of problems would be solved without the DAMO having to get involved. I know of some loadies at one of the larger RAF bases who won't deal with the traffic team leader and always want to speak to the DAMO! What a waste of everyones time.
I'm sure we're all supposed to be on the same side!
Rant off!
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DelMar,
Unfortunately you cannot defend the indefensible.
Way back on page 8 or 9 a contributor calling himself Didntdoit posted the following "not all zobs think they know it all". Fair enough - but perhaps I should have countered - "How many do"?
Let's face it - take a sprog Flying Officer and put him through a course at the Air Movements School and if he has half a brain he comes out with a QMov annotation or whatever they give Officers. He may then be posted to an Air Movements unit or God forbid a Mobile team.
Does this QMov annotation gained after a course of only a few weeks qualify him/her to instruct/advise a probably far more capable SAC or even worse a Warrant Officer or Flight Sergeant of 30 years experience on how to carry out a task? I think not.
What is really galling is that the Warrant Officer of 30 years experience probably carries the title "Deputy DAMO". Deputy to what I ask?
Again back to the early days of this thread a young Loadie called TAC Queen made a comment about Movers always blaming the other shift. In your post you say:
"Maybe if the loadies and movers out on the pan actually work as a team a lot of the problems would be solved without the DAMO getting involved".
Question - If you're not getting involved just WTF are you doing?
Last year a good friend and erstwhile colleague of mine,respected and trusted by both his Peers and superiors, retired from the RAF. During his farewell speech he said "I am worried about the Officers - Movers really do need their own Officers".
I didn't hear anyone disagree.
However, take heart. Your 18- 24 month stretch will soon be over and then you can take yourself off to a nice cosy stores somewhere in East Anglia.
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Unfortunately you cannot defend the indefensible.
Way back on page 8 or 9 a contributor calling himself Didntdoit posted the following "not all zobs think they know it all". Fair enough - but perhaps I should have countered - "How many do"?
Let's face it - take a sprog Flying Officer and put him through a course at the Air Movements School and if he has half a brain he comes out with a QMov annotation or whatever they give Officers. He may then be posted to an Air Movements unit or God forbid a Mobile team.
Does this QMov annotation gained after a course of only a few weeks qualify him/her to instruct/advise a probably far more capable SAC or even worse a Warrant Officer or Flight Sergeant of 30 years experience on how to carry out a task? I think not.
What is really galling is that the Warrant Officer of 30 years experience probably carries the title "Deputy DAMO". Deputy to what I ask?
Again back to the early days of this thread a young Loadie called TAC Queen made a comment about Movers always blaming the other shift. In your post you say:
"Maybe if the loadies and movers out on the pan actually work as a team a lot of the problems would be solved without the DAMO getting involved".
Question - If you're not getting involved just WTF are you doing?
Last year a good friend and erstwhile colleague of mine,respected and trusted by both his Peers and superiors, retired from the RAF. During his farewell speech he said "I am worried about the Officers - Movers really do need their own Officers".
I didn't hear anyone disagree.
However, take heart. Your 18- 24 month stretch will soon be over and then you can take yourself off to a nice cosy stores somewhere in East Anglia.
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Back from the frozen north having had mov's faff after mov's faff, not i hasten to add the fault of the teams involved Long old day pretty knackered and met by a cute DAMO whose only real question about the contents of the frame was to ask if I had any tea coffe or sugar going spare
However the antipodean "muppet" is a top skills girl who got us in and out of Norway in double quick time..........can we have some more like that please
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Long old day pretty knackered and met by a cute DAMO whose only real question about the contents of the frame was to ask if I had any tea coffe or sugar going spare However the antipodean "muppet" is a top skills girl who got us in and out of Norway in double quick time..........can we have some more like that please
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Nice to note that despite your reservations about Muppets you are at least honest enough to give credit where credit is due.
Unusual that though,Muppets running short of victuals.
Nice to note that despite your reservations about Muppets you are at least honest enough to give credit where credit is due.
Unusual that though,Muppets running short of victuals.
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Just remember this officer/airmen thing is not a competition. (I've been both) The officer is not meant to be better than the FS/WO at the workings of the job. They are the manager who should know that the non coms will help them do a job. This isn't just air movements, it is everywhere, look at infantry platoons, the Sgt is the main man. ABIW, you little stirrer, you kept me out of trouble for years. If it had not been for the senior loadies, I would not have lasted one tour. Rightly or wrongly, the system puts an officer in charge of the team. The output is teamwork, not individuals. You get d**kheads in all ranks.
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Hmmmmmmmm,
Very quiet on this thread. Perhaps the boys in blue are all busy?
Time for a new thread - movers/loadies v pongos?
C'mon chaps!!
The Lord.
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Very quiet on this thread. Perhaps the boys in blue are all busy?
Time for a new thread - movers/loadies v pongos?
C'mon chaps!!
The Lord.
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ISITD,
Perish the thought old boy.We are after all Brothers in Arms.
I believe the current targets are on the AAC Pilots thread where some rather unsavoury characters are posting. However, our chum ABIW seems to be giving them a run for their money.
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Perish the thought old boy.We are after all Brothers in Arms.
I believe the current targets are on the AAC Pilots thread where some rather unsavoury characters are posting. However, our chum ABIW seems to be giving them a run for their money.
E5
Edited to insert punctuation mark !!!
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