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Gentlemen (and Lady),
I did consider starting a new thread called " Pongos" since a couple of guys from the Army,probably 47AD, decided to join in the fun.
I've no axe to grind as I always got on well with our brothers in brown so I've resisted the urge to start a new thread and decided instead to pose a question which may be a suitable subject for debate.
Question : What value added contribution do the Army make to RAF Air Transport operations and why I wonder is this tasking not
carried out by an RAF Unit ?
I did consider starting a new thread called " Pongos" since a couple of guys from the Army,probably 47AD, decided to join in the fun.
I've no axe to grind as I always got on well with our brothers in brown so I've resisted the urge to start a new thread and decided instead to pose a question which may be a suitable subject for debate.
Question : What value added contribution do the Army make to RAF Air Transport operations and why I wonder is this tasking not
carried out by an RAF Unit ?
Last edited by Echo 5; 27th Oct 2003 at 20:36.
Its simple, if anyone is going to clobber grunts on the ground, it had better be grunts in the air.
If they pack it, at least the crabs can blame somebody else if it all turns to ratsh1t.
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If they pack it, at least the crabs can blame somebody else if it all turns to ratsh1t.
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zh875,
yes things go wrong but it helps if the stores are dropped in the right place!if our colleagues in blue cant find south cerney (down the m4, turn left. up the 419 and its on the left) we wont get a sporting chance!
echo5,
sit still at the back, history is about to begin.......
ahem,
since the first airdrop in 1916(?), probably by the RFC, at kut al alamar near the river tigris, the army has carried out the task of aerial resupply. the stores were dropped using blankets for parachutes on the first occasion and has developed into the technical array of delights which we have today.
there was no great need for aerial resupply following the end of ww1 so the practise of air drop was somewhaat limited.
hiler was about to change all this.
as you know ww2 kicked off and the british and herallies got stuffed at dunkirk. around 1942, following the formtion of airborne units under thedirection of churchill, a massive gap was realised regarding the resupply ofl ightly armed troops many miles behind enemy lines and away from normal logistical resupply chains.
therefore air despatch units were formed to meet the gap in the capability. 2 AD Groups were formed to support subsequent operations, the most notable being the effort to resupply the 1st britsh airborne division at arnhem. this was a gallant effort by both the ad units and raf transport command, which ended in failure.
116 air despatchers lost their lives in this effort to support the ground troops, the largest loss of troops by any single unit during the second world war.
for its efforts and bravery, the ad formation was awarded the battle honour of a golden dakota flynig on a blue background. this is still worn with pride by serving members today.
since then, the ad formation has gradually been reduced to the single sqn you now see today. air despatchers have worked in harness with the raf on many operations and general tasking since 1944 and will continue to do so indefinitely.
end of lesson.
in answer to your question, are there any raf units that would wish to do the job that 47 AD do or is it just crewroom chuntering.
if there are, tell em to fess up pronto and i can retire!
after all it is a demanding job (just like everyones at the secret air base!) and often unrewarded but always completed to a high standard.
if you would like me to extol the virtues of the average air despatcher then please say. they are rather good at what they do you know!
remember: train hard, fight easy.
lead, follow or get out of the f**king way!
isitd
yes things go wrong but it helps if the stores are dropped in the right place!if our colleagues in blue cant find south cerney (down the m4, turn left. up the 419 and its on the left) we wont get a sporting chance!
echo5,
sit still at the back, history is about to begin.......
ahem,
since the first airdrop in 1916(?), probably by the RFC, at kut al alamar near the river tigris, the army has carried out the task of aerial resupply. the stores were dropped using blankets for parachutes on the first occasion and has developed into the technical array of delights which we have today.
there was no great need for aerial resupply following the end of ww1 so the practise of air drop was somewhaat limited.
hiler was about to change all this.
as you know ww2 kicked off and the british and herallies got stuffed at dunkirk. around 1942, following the formtion of airborne units under thedirection of churchill, a massive gap was realised regarding the resupply ofl ightly armed troops many miles behind enemy lines and away from normal logistical resupply chains.
therefore air despatch units were formed to meet the gap in the capability. 2 AD Groups were formed to support subsequent operations, the most notable being the effort to resupply the 1st britsh airborne division at arnhem. this was a gallant effort by both the ad units and raf transport command, which ended in failure.
116 air despatchers lost their lives in this effort to support the ground troops, the largest loss of troops by any single unit during the second world war.
for its efforts and bravery, the ad formation was awarded the battle honour of a golden dakota flynig on a blue background. this is still worn with pride by serving members today.
since then, the ad formation has gradually been reduced to the single sqn you now see today. air despatchers have worked in harness with the raf on many operations and general tasking since 1944 and will continue to do so indefinitely.
end of lesson.
in answer to your question, are there any raf units that would wish to do the job that 47 AD do or is it just crewroom chuntering.
if there are, tell em to fess up pronto and i can retire!
after all it is a demanding job (just like everyones at the secret air base!) and often unrewarded but always completed to a high standard.
if you would like me to extol the virtues of the average air despatcher then please say. they are rather good at what they do you know!
remember: train hard, fight easy.
lead, follow or get out of the f**king way!
isitd
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isitd,
Thanks for that brief but interesting history of AD (I'm not taking the pi$$).
Many years ago in a rocky and sandy place in Arabia I was on a MAMS team working alongside 16 squadron and I think 60 squadron RCT. Are these units still in existance or are they part of Logistics Corp or some other organisation ?
Thanks for that brief but interesting history of AD (I'm not taking the pi$$).
Many years ago in a rocky and sandy place in Arabia I was on a MAMS team working alongside 16 squadron and I think 60 squadron RCT. Are these units still in existance or are they part of Logistics Corp or some other organisation ?
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I presume Hiler is better known as Adolf Schicklegruber?...
Yes, we all do our part at the Secret Airbase but must your young lads keep tearing down the trees on the main drag?
The RAF made a study (or two) into taking on the AD commitment but discovered it costs a heck of a lot of money to pay for the black tape and nylon cord and as the Army were happy to pay for the publicity decided to leave it alone.
I presume Hiler is better known as Adolf Schicklegruber?...
Yes, we all do our part at the Secret Airbase but must your young lads keep tearing down the trees on the main drag?
The RAF made a study (or two) into taking on the AD commitment but discovered it costs a heck of a lot of money to pay for the black tape and nylon cord and as the Army were happy to pay for the publicity decided to leave it alone.
ISITD
I was not trying to imply that 47AD get it wrong sometimes, I think they do a great job. I was implying that if something did go wrong their Sir-ships up front would need a scapegoat, However, if the Army dunnit, then their Ar$e$ are covered.
If it is Blue - Salute it
If it is green - RUN
I was not trying to imply that 47AD get it wrong sometimes, I think they do a great job. I was implying that if something did go wrong their Sir-ships up front would need a scapegoat, However, if the Army dunnit, then their Ar$e$ are covered.
If it is Blue - Salute it
If it is green - RUN
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Movers Supreme Fitness Regime
Last time I saw 2 movers on an assult course, also on an Military competition in America was in 1992. Unfortuantely their impressive fitness regime didn't come into play (including being RAF Para trained) as they were too busy worrying about the badges on their flying suits to concentrate on the nitty grittty of actually completing the assult course the same day, let alone before all the competitiors had actually packed up and gone back to thier various countries of origin.
Never mind, sterling effort chaps. At least you managed to get 3/4 of the way around before failing to negotiate the 3rd to last obstacle which only carried 25% of the total point available.
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blakey,
i believe the tree topping incident was a few years ago. boys will be boys!
hiler was hitlers little known about twin!!
teehee
echo,
not sure but think 60 sqn is at abingdon.
isitd
i believe the tree topping incident was a few years ago. boys will be boys!
hiler was hitlers little known about twin!!
teehee
echo,
not sure but think 60 sqn is at abingdon.
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Theodopolopidis - point is???
Or is there a secret international-inter-trade-assault-course-in-flying-suits competition that I've missed out on all these years?
I'm sure the Ascoteer Gentlemans Flying Club would put in a good team!
Or is there a secret international-inter-trade-assault-course-in-flying-suits competition that I've missed out on all these years?
I'm sure the Ascoteer Gentlemans Flying Club would put in a good team!
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isitd,
Ah Abingdon!! The spritual home of the real UKMAMS. These were heady days, before the political animals in the leadership decided that there was too much Espirit de Corp and packed them of to Lyneham to be swallowed up.
Tell you something else - I can't remember any serious bitchiness between the UKMAMS guys and Loadies in those days.
E5
Ah Abingdon!! The spritual home of the real UKMAMS. These were heady days, before the political animals in the leadership decided that there was too much Espirit de Corp and packed them of to Lyneham to be swallowed up.
Tell you something else - I can't remember any serious bitchiness between the UKMAMS guys and Loadies in those days.
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What the heck are you talking about? The obstacle course was always completed in Trop DPM trousers and OG tee shirt... For as long as I can remember that part of the competition was always completed by a joint team of Movers/AD. I also gather that the Mover would insult the Pongo and start running so as to encourage them to complete the course by chasing him!...
We can't be that bad as the trophy cabinets at Lye are full of awards for ERO competitions, Best team, best foreign team etc. Best laugh you lot gave me was when you placed the MSP directly on top of the Judges Humvee!
What the heck are you talking about? The obstacle course was always completed in Trop DPM trousers and OG tee shirt... For as long as I can remember that part of the competition was always completed by a joint team of Movers/AD. I also gather that the Mover would insult the Pongo and start running so as to encourage them to complete the course by chasing him!...
We can't be that bad as the trophy cabinets at Lye are full of awards for ERO competitions, Best team, best foreign team etc. Best laugh you lot gave me was when you placed the MSP directly on top of the Judges Humvee!
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blakey,
army dznco 'you don't want to park on the IP, sir'
top ranking yank 'sheeet, you guys will miss the dee zee!'
5 min slater, one smashed up humvee and a very red faced chromer.
happy days - you cannot teach it!!
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army dznco 'you don't want to park on the IP, sir'
top ranking yank 'sheeet, you guys will miss the dee zee!'
5 min slater, one smashed up humvee and a very red faced chromer.
happy days - you cannot teach it!!
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Theodopolopidis,
Is isitd or Grimweasel on a recruiting drive? Looks like AD are preparing for a full frontal assault, which is fine. The more the merrier.
Is isitd or Grimweasel on a recruiting drive? Looks like AD are preparing for a full frontal assault, which is fine. The more the merrier.
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boys boys boys,
sorry would call you men or gentlemen even, though i feel with all the immature tittle tattle between the two great pillars that we know as the RAF loadies and movers, you don't actually warrant an adult title.
If you were at some point in the services and decided to leave then, stay away you have no say in future force ops policies and if you want a say rejoin. boring boring we don't tell you how to drive your taxi's etc.
if you are a mover and you feel trips dets ops cannot be carried out with out you, funny old thing many an evening has been spent be non movements personnel on foriegn fields, meeting an A/C which the movers get off and rtn to hotel, leaving any body spare to unload the aircraft re role and restack. ensuring when you get back to the hotel in time for brekkie the fat movers are just getting in off the piss.
loadies you are but brew makers, route is route the movers are right they do if for ya, and for tac not all are tarred mit same brush but usually your very well guided by the army boys who actually do all the work on tac for ya. so the qu? do you actually do anything.
on a whole boys don't we make decisions at a young age and choose our vocations in life, so if ya unhappy with ya pay ya work etc change it. Every one has a different role and each trade is req'd. Lets not pretend though that anyone one is greater than the other as shall we say if you were all that clever realistically you'd actually be driving the aircraft instead of whining about the GD **** you all find so hard to do, pity you don't find as hard to freely whinge about it eh pikey's......
by the way total lack of grammatical prowes yes...,,2'
but at least has probably wound someone up and to the muppet leader whom needs to give his ass a chance it must be redundant all the **** flying round in his head, if you were so gr8 and movers are so reliable why does it take ;
an officer
a snco
a cpl
a sac
to fly anywhere in this tiny world with one pallet surely the civvies who clean the toilets at your place could manage and control that eh......of is it just so you all get a shot at doing your own work for a change..............any spelling errors poke it..
sorry would call you men or gentlemen even, though i feel with all the immature tittle tattle between the two great pillars that we know as the RAF loadies and movers, you don't actually warrant an adult title.
If you were at some point in the services and decided to leave then, stay away you have no say in future force ops policies and if you want a say rejoin. boring boring we don't tell you how to drive your taxi's etc.
if you are a mover and you feel trips dets ops cannot be carried out with out you, funny old thing many an evening has been spent be non movements personnel on foriegn fields, meeting an A/C which the movers get off and rtn to hotel, leaving any body spare to unload the aircraft re role and restack. ensuring when you get back to the hotel in time for brekkie the fat movers are just getting in off the piss.
loadies you are but brew makers, route is route the movers are right they do if for ya, and for tac not all are tarred mit same brush but usually your very well guided by the army boys who actually do all the work on tac for ya. so the qu? do you actually do anything.
on a whole boys don't we make decisions at a young age and choose our vocations in life, so if ya unhappy with ya pay ya work etc change it. Every one has a different role and each trade is req'd. Lets not pretend though that anyone one is greater than the other as shall we say if you were all that clever realistically you'd actually be driving the aircraft instead of whining about the GD **** you all find so hard to do, pity you don't find as hard to freely whinge about it eh pikey's......
by the way total lack of grammatical prowes yes...,,2'
but at least has probably wound someone up and to the muppet leader whom needs to give his ass a chance it must be redundant all the **** flying round in his head, if you were so gr8 and movers are so reliable why does it take ;
an officer
a snco
a cpl
a sac
to fly anywhere in this tiny world with one pallet surely the civvies who clean the toilets at your place could manage and control that eh......of is it just so you all get a shot at doing your own work for a change..............any spelling errors poke it..
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So what exactly is the difference between a mover and a civvy baggage handler? (except that civvy BHs know they're nobody particularly important, and a trained monkey could do their job)
Whatever!!!!
I've been away for a week and this tiresome thread has descended into the pits of hell.
Lets just all drink a few largers in the bar, remind each other of good times and get down the Patio Doors house.
If the tax paying populus were to view this thread then they would be on the phone to Gordon Brown for a swaging round of defence cuts as we quite clearly can't be adult enough to get on.
I must highly recommend the d'Arenburg range of Aussie reds. The Laughing Magpie is exceptional. Do enduldge. It may calm the tempestious minds.............................
I've been away for a week and this tiresome thread has descended into the pits of hell.
Lets just all drink a few largers in the bar, remind each other of good times and get down the Patio Doors house.
If the tax paying populus were to view this thread then they would be on the phone to Gordon Brown for a swaging round of defence cuts as we quite clearly can't be adult enough to get on.
I must highly recommend the d'Arenburg range of Aussie reds. The Laughing Magpie is exceptional. Do enduldge. It may calm the tempestious minds.............................
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Sadly this has only happened since the element from Air Despair started poking in their oar with foul language and worse grammar. Exactly the same sort of behaviour as happens at Lyneham I might add......
Sadly this has only happened since the element from Air Despair started poking in their oar with foul language and worse grammar. Exactly the same sort of behaviour as happens at Lyneham I might add......
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Blakey875,
Just spotted a new contributor in the form of 5KSTROP.There is most certainly a recruiting drive on within AD. I'm afraid you are correct regarding the down turn in good grammar and the increase in foul language.
Grim.
If the thread is becoming tiresome then why do you continue to contribute ?
Just spotted a new contributor in the form of 5KSTROP.There is most certainly a recruiting drive on within AD. I'm afraid you are correct regarding the down turn in good grammar and the increase in foul language.
Grim.
If the thread is becoming tiresome then why do you continue to contribute ?