Did this actually happen ? Any latest news ?

Hi guys,

I don't think we can expect some movements this week, don't forget it's EID holiday and everything run slowly during this period.

Unfortunately we have to be patient.

Any updates news on internal transfers? Anyone rejoining 320?

Plenty of re-hires that were slated for October have been moved up to August for training.

Just shy of 250 pilots taken back in the last couple of months.

Thats some good news. Any idea about fleet or rank wise breakup of these numbers?

​​​​​​... just received here the bond... Around 43k € for 3 years, earning 25% less of base salary.

Utterly UNBELIEVABLE

You will probably make the same money as before now flying 100 plus hours...

Is that bond amount payable monthly which is why there is 25% reduction? Or these are 2 separate points.

So no external recruitments yet eh. For typed, time heavy Boeing widebody skippers ?

Python27

Be thankful, atleast you have a job, a lot of us would love to be in your position right now

Sure the bond is a bit high but I also assume that you do not plan to go anywhere and maybe do another 10 years in the sandpit with the company.

As for the 25% reduction, when things started to slow down were you not all given paycuts so its not anything that you are not used to?

Also for the others around the world that are looking for jobs, life in QR can't be that bad when you have company accommodation, schools paid for and those associated benefits.

QRA350

I will happily stick to my current flight instructor job rather than going back to QR.

airbourne

Company accommodation? associated benefits? I assume you don't work in Qatar. Company accommodation is accommodation provided by the company at the employees expense, at a rate that is way above any private rental of the same property type. Continually eroding medical insurance cover. No more loss of license cover. Reduced flying pay and increased flying hours to max hours almost every month. Days off limited to minimum. Annual leave restricted or even cancelled for some.

Apart from that, everything is dandy. I just can't think why people keep resigning, especially with no job to go to.

Good to see that so! :)

Rejoiners going onto a new fleet are subject to a bond. Question is, is it a paper bond with lots of promises or are the slimeballs actually taking money out of the first year joinining salary less 25%?

If its the former and no cash is removed then great. Sign all the papers they want you to sign. And when you find a new job with your fresh new type rating just walk away. Infact operate the aircraft to a destination that suits you and just dissappear.
Qatar Airways has plunged itself to the bottom of the employment barrel with such haste its unbelievable.
To new or rejoiners - take the job with both hands but use and screw the company before they can do it to you.

Talking to a friend who rejoined last week felt more like a person who’s trying to fix a broken marriage after a split, there is only sadness and resentment. It’s an extremely hard task to make it work again and will never be the same like the old times. Not only I felt his disappointment for being treated as a new joiner but also the new bond imposed, lower compensation package, worst company accommodation than his previous on, etc… all these things really took a toll on him. Not to mention having to deal with all the hassle when you first move to a country after he just went thru the same hassle 8 months ago to leave this same country. It’s not a situation to the faint of heart. Sometimes I just wonder if rejoining is indeed the best decision.

Python27

you don’t like ? Want to protest ? Too hot right now , maybe wait for winter , humidity will come down

Genuine question. How many of you plan on still being here in Qatar for the world cup?

As QRA350 put so clearly, YOU GUYS HAVE A JOB. Just out of respect for the many that are still unemployed, please stop whining. Myself, and many others I’m sure, would be happy to be where you are now. If it’s just too much for you to bear, leave space for the really hungry. Complaints with a full belly definitely sound hollow.

I would go Back in a heartbeat if they called me, unfortunatelly I wasn't senior enough to keep my Job when they started to let people go last year.

777kicker

And this is exactly why our profession is hitting rock bottom. I feel sorry for your situation but "will fly for food" is not the solution here.

I concur with this statement

Qatar re hiring that’s good, Australia has again locked down now 18 million people Victoria only just let out of the cage last week now back in. There will be no Airlines left here in 12 months. You guys going back are lucky

lfbb

Then resign and show them where pilot’s rights stand.
Or admit that in tough times you’ve to plow trough some hard soil, and don’t expect who’s in deeper trouble than you to fight your battles or embrace your sorrows

Our profession has hit rock bottom with Pay to Fly, with 400 hours junior F/O’s having a seat on a wide body, with 1500 hours captains flying around Europe on a certain type of airlines, with hundreds or maybe thousands of licenses given for a “fee” in certain parts of the world and then converted without a wink by a certain queen’s offices.

And whiners, that’s rock bottom.

You agree with the statement? Then collect your last year’s rosters, collate them with your last year’s logbook and send the file to EASA to reassess QR compliance.

It’s gonna be interesting...

Feel free to cite any reference that shows airlines upgrading captains at 1500 hours TT.

You are entitled of an opinion and I respect that. Every case is different tho, In my case , QR gave exactly what they offered me when they interviewed me, I was not mislead and neither forced to anything . They didn't hold a gun to my head to get me to sign a Contract and I was free to go whenever I wanted to.

777kicker

You might not believe it but I already did, long before the COVID crises, when they started messing up with the T&C and changed the overtime AFTER having flown like crazy on the past year. I realized it was time to prepare a scape plan, saved all the money I could and left. Wished more followed instead of just seating around worrying about fleet transfers.

As I said I really simpatize with your situation, but if we let the company push us down this one more step the new normal will be captains earning less than FOs sharing the same cockpit.

Has anyone in last 2 weeks received any rejoining invite mail? Have only heard about a few 320 FOs who did so along with PSA but no dates yet.

What's the outlook in terms of pilot numbers currently based on the schedules?
​​​​​Too many? Too few?

If you ignore the idiot.

Frantically trying to re-hire pilots who were fired. Not all agreeing to the new contract. Pilots on maximum hours and minimum days off. Steady stream of people leaving too.

Avgas777 - just a few minor points. No one signs a contract. QR gives an agreement and in general they stuck to it. The agreement is such things as salary, housing, education allowance, transport, telephone etc.
The stuff that really gets up the nostrils of most crew is the arbitury changing of various allowances such as in flight hourly pay and overtime. And it is always for the worse and is always done without prior advice to the crew.

If you are a happy puppy in QR good for you. Most of us are not!

spoiler77

Do you honestly believe there will be upgrades this year? let me have some of that shisha... I hope i am wrong.

QRAviator I know people with DOJs assigned through December, I wouldn't expect anything this year.

777Kicker that's all that most do these days, whine. Many on here b&m about the company and/or country but are eagerly waiting to be called back. Go figure.

It's an employers market right now, China is offering almost half the precovid salary (Triple7 Captain $10.5K). Its only a matter of time when things will swing back our way.. US airlines are facing massive shortages and EK have already opened up careers website for registering for future opportunities.

Until then, carry on!

Not strictly. They have emailed A380 pilots (not 777) and some cabin crew for an expression of interest for a possible future rehire. The website doesn’t take applications.

The Emirates website just took my 777 application. Granted it is an expression of interest, but application submitted none the less.

Interesting, that’s changed from the other day

If it helps, you have to sign in first, otherwise you will not be able submit application.

I am really surprised that you didn’t even check your website before commenting. It is taking applications.

Rumour network or not, I am not in the habit of spreading fake news.

PS: they are going to need a lot of 350 and 787 pilots in the future, abundant in the region.

They need now a lot of pilots on 777 & 787 apparently.