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Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬

Old 6th Jun 2020, 11:17
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Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬

Qatar flight deck crew just received an email that explains the new (permanent) 25% basic salary reduction plus 25% flight pay reduction.
Tomorrow they値l start sending the letters for Captain, First officers and second officers that will leave the company... Very sad, I wonder about the criteria they値l use... Seniority, warning letters, age... We値l see
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 11:49
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There'll come a time when they need pilots again and a QR salary less 25% won't be attractive to have to spend so much of your life in Doha.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 12:33
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You're doing better than most under current circumstances. The time which you talk about is probably 5 years away.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 13:52
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I知 wondering if EK will follow ?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 14:07
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If I'm not mistaken they've taken the lead
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 14:40
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it’s just crazy tbh but expected when we were hearing redundancies happening in technical, Cabin Crew, QAS etc etc etc .. The question is would it be last in first out? Which fleet? Will they start from A380s, 330s, 320s? What I’m hearing is from all 3” fleets & some from 777s & 78s too..

best of luck to all my colleagues “ bags are packed”

another issue is gratuity” I’m hearing from staff who are being laid off that Separation is saying final settlement of gratuity would be transferred to the account mentioned by US” in 3 weeks or soo.. How true is it?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 19:43
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I guess starting tomorrow we値l know for sure..
I致e heard that they hired an advisor for this purpose and that they will work together with HR and probably Flt Ops to make a list..
I suppose the list is already done..
Rumors are that they値l start with ppl with disciplinary stuff going on, pilots near retiring age that are the most expensive and some juniority but those are only rumors..
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 19:46
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QR hired consultants for other departments as well” so I’m not surprised, Where as Pilots near retiring, How near? 6 Months? 1yr? We’ll get to know tomorrow, but the fact 100 Aircrafts are Unutilized makes it easier for QR to reduce the headcount & Exploit the situation”
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 20:50
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25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 20:53
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I wouldn’t pin hopes on Qatar Labor Law” We all know it’s not for Expats but a smoke screen.. I’m not sure about legality of This contract back home... I don’t think it’ll be applicable.. That’s just my observation..
PS: QR is exploiting the situation, next would Education Allowance/ or maybe House Allowance as well.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 20:56
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QR is definitely a global company and I don't see why not suing them thru one of their offices on your home country.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 21:45
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Originally Posted by lfbb View Post
25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
All other Airlines around the world are using "Force Majeure" to do what they want with impunity from any labour law. I don't see why Qatar should be excluded.
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Old 6th Jun 2020, 22:25
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Good luck with sueing any ME carrier for breach of contract. Global company means nothing .
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BA and Ryanair are doing it with the same "crap" conditions...
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 04:50
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This is very true across the board in North America and Europe so not sure why it痴 such a concern for QR or EK. Good luck all!

Originally Posted by polax52 View Post
All other Airlines around the world are using "Force Majeure" to do what they want with impunity from any labour law. I don't see why Qatar should be excluded.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 11:44
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What a complete mess, pilot T&Cs coming under assault from all directions. It's definitely going to take some time before the picture changes, let's hope a vaccine comes soon and people start booking again with the airlines.
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Old 7th Jun 2020, 13:08
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Don't mess a temporary cut (yet) with a permanent one (already stated)...

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Old 9th Jun 2020, 05:25
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Old 9th Jun 2020, 23:48
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Originally Posted by lfbb View Post
25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
I'm going to be devil advocate here...

In 25 Oct 2014, an internal memorandum was email to all QR Flight Deck with the subject "Flight Deck Pay Review". Without detailing the entire letter, but basically, it summarizes the following...

5% increase on entry level salary
Step increase 3% per step
Captains get 8% steps for 4th & 6th year
15 % increase on Flying Hours.
Double hourly flight pay after XXX hours

To those who feel a permanent 25% pay cut is a contract violation, did you feel that way when the company generously change the T&Cs of your contract? Did you file a file a grievance with the company or courts because they change the terms of your contract???

Please come down off your high horse!!! Be thankful it'is only a 25% pay reduction rather than a 100% job loss.

Try to remember, there are thousands of pilots who have it worst then you do. Be thankful and grateful and reflect that you be OK with a 25% pay reduction.

BTW, I'm no fan of QR because i was unfairly treated, but at the same time, I no fan of those who complain about a 25% pay cut either!
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Old 10th Jun 2020, 01:35
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Originally Posted by av8tordude View Post
Try to remember, there are thousands of pilots who have it worst then you do. Be thankful and grateful and reflect that you be OK with a 25% pay reduction.
At least now I understand how our profession hit rock bottom... sorry can't even argue with you once you believe the mentioned pay raise was given out of pure generosity and not because people were leaving the company after better T&C. I rest my case, apparently "will fly for food" meme is becoming a reality and we should be thankful to the companies because at least we will be able to eat. It is really sad seeing pilots like you playing the management game.
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