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Qatar salary reductions and redundancies 😬
Qatar flight deck crew just received an email that explains the new (permanent) 25% basic salary reduction plus 25% flight pay reduction.
Tomorrow they’ll start sending the letters for Captain, First officers and second officers that will leave the company... Very sad, I wonder about the criteria they’ll use... Seniority, warning letters, age... We’ll see |
There'll come a time when they need pilots again and a QR salary less 25% won't be attractive to have to spend so much of your life in Doha.
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You're doing better than most under current circumstances. The time which you talk about is probably 5 years away.
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I’m wondering if EK will follow ?
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If I'm not mistaken they've taken the lead
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it’s just crazy tbh but expected when we were hearing redundancies happening in technical, Cabin Crew, QAS etc etc etc .. The question is would it be last in first out? Which fleet? Will they start from A380s, 330s, 320s? What I’m hearing is from all 3” fleets & some from 777s & 78s too..
best of luck to all my colleagues “ bags are packed” another issue is gratuity” I’m hearing from staff who are being laid off that Separation is saying final settlement of gratuity would be transferred to the account mentioned by US” in 3 weeks or soo.. How true is it? |
:rolleyes:
I guess starting tomorrow we’ll know for sure.. I’ve heard that they hired an advisor for this purpose and that they will work together with HR and probably Flt Ops to make a list.. I suppose the list is already done.. Rumors are that they’ll start with ppl with disciplinary stuff going on, pilots near retiring age that are the most expensive and some juniority but those are only rumors.. |
QR hired consultants for other departments as well” so I’m not surprised, Where as Pilots near retiring, How near? 6 Months? 1yr? We’ll get to know tomorrow, but the fact 100 Aircrafts are Unutilized makes it easier for QR to reduce the headcount & Exploit the situation”
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25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
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I wouldn’t pin hopes on Qatar Labor Law” We all know it’s not for Expats but a smoke screen.. I’m not sure about legality of This contract back home... I don’t think it’ll be applicable.. That’s just my observation..
PS: QR is exploiting the situation, next would Education Allowance/ or maybe House Allowance as well. |
QR is definitely a global company and I don't see why not suing them thru one of their offices on your home country.
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Originally Posted by lfbb
(Post 10804256)
25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
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Good luck with sueing any ME carrier for breach of contract. Global company means nothing .
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BA and Ryanair are doing it with the same "crap" conditions...
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This is very true across the board in North America and Europe so not sure why it’s such a concern for QR or EK. Good luck all!
Originally Posted by polax52
(Post 10804278)
All other Airlines around the world are using "Force Majeure" to do what they want with impunity from any labour law. I don't see why Qatar should be excluded.
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What a complete mess, pilot T&Cs coming under assault from all directions. It's definitely going to take some time before the picture changes, let's hope a vaccine comes soon and people start booking again with the airlines.
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Don't mess a temporary cut (yet) with a permanent one (already stated)...
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Originally Posted by lfbb
(Post 10804256)
25% salary reduction, this is a clear violation of the signed contract... since we know a labour lawsuit would be impossible in Qatar I was wondering if anyone could pursuit such a thing abroad? Any idea on where to start? Maybe the labour home country?
In 25 Oct 2014, an internal memorandum was email to all QR Flight Deck with the subject "Flight Deck Pay Review". Without detailing the entire letter, but basically, it summarizes the following... 5% increase on entry level salary Step increase 3% per step Captains get 8% steps for 4th & 6th year 15 % increase on Flying Hours. Double hourly flight pay after XXX hours To those who feel a permanent 25% pay cut is a contract violation, did you feel that way when the company generously change the T&Cs of your contract? Did you file a file a grievance with the company or courts because they change the terms of your contract??? Please come down off your high horse!!! Be thankful it'is only a 25% pay reduction rather than a 100% job loss. Try to remember, there are thousands of pilots who have it worst then you do. Be thankful and grateful and reflect that you be OK with a 25% pay reduction. BTW, I'm no fan of QR because i was unfairly treated, but at the same time, I no fan of those who complain about a 25% pay cut either! |
Originally Posted by av8tordude
(Post 10807128)
Try to remember, there are thousands of pilots who have it worst then you do. Be thankful and grateful and reflect that you be OK with a 25% pay reduction.
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ME and contract violations! Lol
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Anyone got any updates on the situation? Just rumours everyday but haven't heard (directly) anyone being let go yet.
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Give it a rest mate. Your intentions when you took the job was tax free Moolah, beach, high life, world travel and fly professionally all around the world.
No complaints then. World is suffering, not just your lil bubble. |
Thats what I hate, No clear communication by the Company as to the numbers of layoffs to happen & when, because it is creating anxiety among the families... And we all know when Mental Health issue arises there are chances of Front page headline in leading Newspaper” 😆😆
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Originally Posted by FDS OFF BIRD ON
(Post 10810117)
Just another rumour: if 2nd half of your June roster is published, it means you survived the 1st wave of terminations. :confused:
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Originally Posted by Silver68
(Post 10810534)
What first round? Care to share any info on this... I wasn't aware of any as yet.
First round put some extreme cases out of the door, it happened a few weeks ago and targeted some pilots with big dents on their files. I friend of mine was fired with no explanation given after recovering from Covid19, he indeed had many sick leaves prior to that. That made him believe the main reason for letting him go was his bad medical record. |
Originally Posted by QRAviator
(Post 10808583)
Anyone got any updates on the situation? Just rumours everyday but haven't heard (directly) anyone being let go yet.
Qatar Airways to slash foreign pilots' pay: memoJune 15, 2020 Doha (AFP) - Qatar Airways will slash some pilots' salaries and make others redundant to offset the revenue collapse caused by the novel coronavirus travel crisis, it said in a memo seen by AFP Monday. The Gulf airline, which flew to more than 170 destinations with 234 aircraft as of March, has been hit by airport closures and travel bans imposed to contain the spread of the COVID-19 disease. The International Air Transport Association warned in April that air traffic in the Middle East and North Africa would plummet by more than half this year. Qatar Airways' most senior pilots "will be subjected to a 25 percent reduction" in salaries, chief flight operations officer Jassim al-Haroon wrote to pilots in a memo dated June 4. "In the upcoming weeks many of our captains, senior first officers, first officers and cadet pilots will be made redundant," Haroon wrote, without specifying how many would be let go. More junior pilots will face an immediate 15 percent cut to their salaries, although the measures will not be applied to the airline's Qatari pilots, the memo added. The airline warned cabin crew at the start of May that they faced "substantial" job losses. "It's very gloomy. Communication hasn't been clear -- we don't know if this will be the last reduction or if there will be more," said one pilot, who spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity. "Without a union, they can do what they want to our contracts." At the worst point of the novel coronavirus travel crisis, the airline had to slash its passenger services to just 35 destinations. It has since begun to resume some mothballed routes. The economy of super-wealthy gas exporter Qatar has been buffeted by the global economic downturn and associated energy price collapse caused by the pandemic. Doha-based sports broadcaster BeIN will shed around 100 jobs and cut some salaries in response to the virus downturn and the fallout from piracy of its output, according to sources with knowledge of the matter. "We have started a limited redundancy programme in relation to our Middle East and North Africa business -- which will be as limited as possible, while securing our long-term future," BeIN said in a statement, adding that further details could not be provided as consultations were ongoing. |
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10812535)
An update in this AFP story: |
Why is everybody leaving QR related whatsapp groups?
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Because a rumor was afloat that When you go to Tower 1,2,3 IT will take your phone & check for messages” related to QR.
This rumor turned out to be true in the end” CC that have been terminated were told to handover their phones to IT” not all but I know 1 that was asked, she had a backup phone that she brought with her” Its a mess in QR tbh, Decisions are made by senseless greedy people sitting at top. |
Welcome to the ME . I've said it before !
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Do they have the authority to demand and take your personal phone? It might not be the most democratic country in the world but I doubt your company can ask you that. Plus if you are in the office for that kind of meeting you would assume the decision to fire you has been taken already, so who cares at that point?
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At one end they are firing people, but are opening new engineering bases in high cost stations like Sydney!
Who in their right mind would do that. No money to pay for planes and staff at home base but "my mate has to get a job because he is migrating to Australia". What a disgrace. |
Originally Posted by FlyingAce77
(Post 10813517)
Because a rumor was afloat that When you go to Tower 1,2,3 IT will take your phone & check for messages” related to QR.
This rumor turned out to be true in the end” CC that have been terminated were told to handover their phones to IT” not all but I know 1 that was asked, she had a backup phone that she brought with her” Its a mess in QR tbh, Decisions are made by senseless greedy people sitting at top. |
Originally Posted by dirk85
(Post 10813555)
Do they have the authority to demand and take your personal phone? It might not be the most democratic country in the world but I doubt your company can ask you that. Plus if you are in the office for that kind of meeting you would assume the decision to fire you has been taken already, so who cares at that point?
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Originally Posted by Papa_Golf
(Post 10813585)
They will never see my phone. Period.
Harassment is at its core these days |
Originally Posted by ChocksOn
(Post 10813578)
At one end they are firing people, but are opening new engineering bases in high cost stations like Sydney!
Who in their right mind would do that. No money to pay for planes and staff at home base but "my mate has to get a job because he is migrating to Australia". What a disgrace. |
Originally Posted by Papa_Golf
(Post 10813588)
They don’t. But I guess it’s easy to push cc to hand over their smartphones. We don’t have strong willed types in our ranks. Also met a few pilots with an evident lack of spine.
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Flew with a guy who told me he would work for free. Speechless.
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im Speechless” they don’t know their worth.
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