Strike !!! What Else !!!

Vaseline Is Furnished Or Not ?

The contracts here mean absolutely nothing. They can be changed to just about anything management desires. It is truly amazing how phucked up this place has become in the last few months.

Fred (gay), the recruiter, is probably the most useless person I have ever met. Well, maybe Kostov (DFO) is just as bad. But anyways don't trust a word he says and certainly don't pay your own money to attend an interview.

We have FO's here (Saudi of course) who have needed 25+ sim sessions to barely scrape by and pass their checkrides. They will not fire them, so you can expect to fly with many of these highly skilled aviators if you come here.

Recommendation: Look elsewhere for employment and if this is all you end up with, then maybe come here for a little while and collect a few pay checks. But this is by no means a long term job.

Good luck to all those seeking a job here, you've all been warned.....MEOW

How about the fact that the latest batch of Saudi FO's all ex RSAF all, bar one, failed the AIRBUS conversion course.

The guy who passed has flown 45 hours line training and still they have a safety pilot on jump seat.!!!

But he is Saudi, and they are the best pilots in the world!! It says so in the Arab News

So whats happening with all the new intakes ? I hear lots of new hires are awaiting visas, so cant be that bad if so many are joining. So whos who in NAS Air thats causing the problems ?

When are they going to recruit FO's ?

Uni

Awaiting visas means the haven't arrived in country yet. So they have no idea what NAS is really like just yet.

Lot's of people with important sounding titles drinking coffee, smoking cigarettes, and writing memos such as copier machine training schedules.

Let me give you an example of a typical office visit for an expat pilot:

Situation: You need a leave request document (CTA).

First go visit Crew Scheduling (wait for door to open and sneak in). After receiving a list of your OFF days, you leave and head to Flight Ops to visit Arshad or the other kid with braces. These are the only 2 people in the building who do any actual work by the way. One of them will fill out your leave request form on the computer which can take upwards of 20 minutes. He will then leave the room to get your request form from the printer, which by the way is in another part of the building even though there are fifteen other printers in the room.

Next, you are off to your Fleet Manager if you can find him, and if not come back another day. If you are so lucky to locate your Fleet Manager, he will then inform you that something needs to be accomplished before he will sign (Medical renewal, GACA license renewal, visa renewal, etc..). This could potentially mean missing days from your OFF rotation, and you are SOL.

If you make it past this phase, you must go visit the training department. No problem you say, this will only take a second. Well it might if only you could find the Manager of Training or you are not even sure IF there is a Manager of Training any longer. The have fired so many in the past year. If you are incredibly lucky (might also want to get some lotto tickets), you get the required signature.

Well this takes us to 3 out of the 5 required signatures needed. We're on the home stretch now! Next up, head to GR (government relations) where you will stand at a big counter and wait for the wonderful folks to help you. Better bring a book to read. Hey is that Fred Al- Scuzzy that just walked by? Why is his desk in GR? Anyways, you finally get the signature and off you go to the last signature on the list, Director of Operations.

As you walk into the DFO's office you notice he's not around. Where is the DFO you ask anyone that might be around. He's in a meeting they reply. No problem, just wait for the meeting to end and go back. You go back a little while later and and he's still not there. You ask the same person who told you he's in a meeting earlier and with a completely straight face they tell you "He's been in Jeddah for the past few days." Arrrgghhhhhh!!!!!

Hi, still on here??
 

Hi , My name is Brett Krueger. . I saw your post, I think from a couple years ago?
Are you still there? Or where? I am brand new to this site, also. So, Not totally sure what I am doing. Will this show up in the public fourm Or just to you?
Do you know of anyone hiring??
Would love to hear from you...

Thanks!!

Brett

Bukkake,

You missed the intials from, idiot training planner before, training manager signs.

Also the fact that you can't plan your leave as he can't plan more than 4 weeks in advance, sometimes you find out your traing dates, in your time, only 2 weeks ahead!!

Or like some, he signs forms then rosters you and when on your off time you get an email from him telling you that you need to return early for training.

speedbird,
just sent you a PM, lookng forward for the reply,
thanks in advance,
CBAFIL

It's wonderful to see that this rubbish is still going..................the thread i mean, not the company:}

I however now have seen the light, and now i am truly a company man. No more complaing, bitching or dread in the pit of my stomache when i look on my roster and find that i am flying with al somebody. You know, it's funny how i now look on the company in a new light - especially when i just recently found out from my esteemed colleague in the safety department that the man from the KGB reads pprune...............Marvelous:O

Now then Mr K, about the command upgrade course.....................:ok:

Please remember to Fly Ginger.

By the sounds of it I dont think NAS Air will ever change, so I guess all you guys can do is just wait until another job comes along. Or, just vote with your feet and leave on mass, but the chances of that happening I guess are Zero.

So how many crews are they short off ?

Uni

Late Pay
 

Only 6 days late for salary so far .......

Hello Everyone,

Greetings from a long time reader, first time poster...http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01...mile_teeth.gif

First off, I am and have been employed by my Global carrier for last 18 years and have no plans for leaving....so, NO sour grapes here...just the facts and intelligence report..!!

I couldn't help but to pass along some info and chine in the subject of NAS since I just heard about them from a middle astern friend who came a cross of this sorry of an excuse for an airline and the SCUM BAGS who run the outfit.

First, NAS needs and relies heavily on the subsidized jet fuel that has been available to SAA and was extended to NAS through connections.
If and when this courtesy taken away due to whatever reason, NAS will not be able to continue as planned.
Insiders and Those who are familiar with the daily operations convey a chaotic picture of operations, totally mismanaged by a hodge podge of management who have no business of running a candy shop let alone an Airline with tons of employees and extended dependent families...
This can not continue as is and don't plan on it to do so unless there is a drastic change to the composition of the management from top to down, which as you guessed, is not on plans...(End of Part I)

This is very true. There are a massive problem managing this company. in short words i can describe this company are in short of proffissional and experince managers. all the managment are lacking of basic managment expereince and are holding in there positions and afraid to be cicked out and struggle to find another job.
look back in the hestory of this company all the good people left and the bad are still there enjoying the status quo.

Avland,

The cheap fuel is only on Domestic routes, as our previous CEO said he could fill every aircraft on a Domestic flight and still not make money due to the fact that the Saudi Gov't cap the internal fares.

Hence we only really make money in International flights where no fare is capped.

As for the management, SPOT ON.

A banker and HR man who know nothing about airlines and a management team that do nothing except take the salary and rearrange the offices.

Company would be even worse except for Direc Safety who holds it togther, I take my hat off to him.

I agree, Nick is the only one in management that is capable of running an airline.

(Part II)

Clowns who run the show in NAS as of now were recently seen in AMM discussing company and operational matters (Within earshot of my friend, a Jordanian, who was to his shock, unknowingly was sitting next to them in the bar lounge)...even arguing each other aloud in public bar which at one point lead to one leaving the others in disgust and one more later leaving the others in the bar ...among the company matters discussed and heard by others in the bar were, how disappointed there were in their recent trip to MAD where they were supposed to meet around 50 qualified "BUS DRIVERS" but less than 10 just showed up and hopefully there were going to have a better turn out the next morning....

One dude was assuring the others of a great attendance expected according to the number of emails he had received from poor SOBs who were willing to pay for their own airfare, hotel accommodations, meals, Cab ride, etc...etc... just to get a shot at employment with this crappy outfit...
Well, the turn out was not anywhere close to what they were expecting...a tribute to their scuzzy reputation of NAS, Dim future, and famous crappy treatment of pilots..... only desperadoes have stamina enough to bear the stench...!!!!..
According to my source, Many pilots who had been invited by emails, to AMM by Fahad and his side kick, were rejected due to lack required experience and not meeting the requiremnet....leaving them empty handed and out of hundreds of euro they spent to get there.!!!!!

Conclusion, .....By all means, Stay away from this piece of crap, my friends....If you can!!!
If not, I understand the harsh realities of the world we live in and need for pay cheque, wish you best of luck and a thick skin....sounds like you will need it..!!!..http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01...e_confused.gif..

Not wanting to upset anyone, but, is it pilots staying away because of the reputation of NAS Air or more like that the requirements are too high ?

Perhaps NAS is NOT looking at the cross section of skills or experience and hours. Therefore, they will never get anyone employed, unless the they lower the requirements.

Ive heard this story 12 months ago, but NAS like many other companies seem to be hell bent on hours hours hours.

Who is it thats setting the bench mark ? And how many co pilots do they have ? if they have experienced co pilots why not upgrade then take on board lower hour crews?

Whos to blame ?

Uni

NAS Recruitment Campaign in AMM
 

Any one who had been through the recent recruitment campaign care to share his views on it?

How is NAS?
 

Hearing a few rumblings about late payments, companies waitng to be paid etc! Any one else in the know on this or is it the standard for the area?

Have NAS parked aircraft in the Jeddah airport storage area? There appears to be 3 or 4 aircraft permanently parked beside the Al-Wafeer aircraft....

Mutt

Mutt,

If you are talking about Apron 7, that is our new home for overnights. Apron 4 and 5 is being used for daily transits and night stops out to Apron 7. It's a lovely bus ride early in the morning or late at night.

How many more A320 captains is Saudi looking to hire? Got to keep options open. ;)

Gumby

Thanks for the answer......

Originally heard 70, but don't know if that still applies nor how many have arrived.

Mutt

5 have arrived and are nearly on line (all in line training now). 6 more are in Toulouse (or just getting back this week). The third class has 1 in Toulouse, coming back in the next 2 weeks. A 4th class of 6 has started to arrive in JED getting ready to jump through all the BS (oooops, I mean hoops) to get ready to go to Toulouse. That is a total of 18 so far.

The numbers I hear from an IP last week are 100+ Captains total (so 80+ to go) and they have tentative approval for 70 F/Os, but haven't even started thinking about recruiting for that yet.

The other hot rumor is that they're talking to a crew leasing company (in Kuwait) about shirt term (1-2 years) staffing for the 320 until they get the MD-90 guys transitioned over. So, who knows how many ex-pats they really want/need...

Do they look at non rated pilots? BadAndy, in your post you say guys are in Toulouse which would imply that they do? I got an email from them about recruitment (I don't even remember applying!) However I ignored it because I wasn't type rated on the airbus.

Yes, in fact the majority of guys coming to it are not rated. And, even if you are already rated, you still have to do the full course, which for now is in Toulouse, but should be in-house by April. (I think most guys already rated on it with time on type are looking at other places with slightly better terms. I say slightly better because on paper the other places look a lot better -- more money, etc. But, with the bonuses and add pay that Saudia pays -- that is not listed in the contract notes -- it works out to be just about the same money either place. It is just that all the other places are much better organized and run waaaaaaaaay more efficiently than Saudia, making it easier to start there. It takes a lot of patience to deal with the Saudia process, which most rated/ current guys don't want -- or need-- to deal with). And, since Saudia is running everyone through the entire process, it doesn't matter one way or the other to them if the guy is already rated -- you'll learn it the Saudia way anyways... :8

I'm so confused!! I thought this was a NASair thread. :bored:

Sorry, I think we hijacked your thread. I'll stop now, and you can return to your regularly scheduled programming..... :}

VIP Pilot
 

Thankyou for your valuable insight into NAS.

I see from your previous posts you must be fairly new to NAS, ex C130 (Prob SAAF), have little time on the Airbus and are looking to get a JAA ATPL so you can move to Europe and leave this 'Prestige Company' & country.

Also you give out great advice on Tech forum with such limited knowledge!!!

Your are an amazing man!

Are you the new DFO???????? Maybe you should go straight to CEO.

A320 driver,

Don't put all your eggs in NAS basket...This POS operations will let you down.!!..:yuk:

If you need more info, read the other thread about NAS.
Meantime, look elsewhere if you can. SERIOUS !!

'Mutiny on the Sand'
 

Oh ... ouch ...... damn!!!

It's a shame you guys can't see the company emails .... hell is going on.!!!

I smell a serious change of mangers very, Very, VERY soon

The emails are getting better and better! It's like a soap opera every time I check my nasaviation.com account. What makes it extra special is that it is the local guys that are fighting this time.:D Think I'll go pop some popcorn....

LEAVE
 

alot are saying bad things regarding NAS and SAUDI
so assssssssssssss hoooooooles if u don't like it be A Man and do some thing about it and leave back to your stupid countryes.........and see if u even get half what u get paid in NAS..................
TRUST ME if u were not left over crew u will not be in NAS:confused:
BUT SOOOOOOOOOOON WE WILL GET U OUT ALL
LIKE MORLY

I'll leave alanoud02's post as a legacy to his short time as a member on the site. He's left the building.

4HP

Well, it's the same old third world rubbish, is it not. Can't see the wood for the trees.

The "NASA space shuttle exam", washes out a lot of people who actually know something about flying an aircraft and they are left with a load of academics, some who can fly an aircraft and some who can't. :ugh:

Hi guys

Any news regarding the NAS development/interview process?
Heard new Airbuses coming at the rate of one per month.Any idea about how many hours can one expect to fly in a month on the permanent contract?
Any other news at all?
PM if you prefer.
Thanks

Offers being presented to LOT crew on E170/190, interviews/sim rides scheduled on 15/16 April in Prague.

NAS Growth
 

2010

2 x Emb
0 x Airbus

NAS Pilot Hiring
 

There was something in the KSA media recently about their new pilot training program. 70 prospective F/O's being hired with the first 24 already in Jordan for training...All are Saudi so no need to apply if you're not one.

Seems like an awful lot of pilots to hire in one go for a small-ish airline. Is that to backfill for attrition or to prepare for future expansion?

PSO routes (essentially flying Saudi hillbillies from the boonies to the cities for half nothing) have also been stopped I heard.

There are also rumours of wide bodies in the not too distant future...

Correct on FO hiring. All Saudi many who have Philapino licences, with 300 hours (read 100 hours for real) and have not flown for many (upto 6) years. Shame as plenty of ex RSAF or ex-pats with qualifications to fill job. We will see how many survive.

PSO routes always being argued over as NAS looking for cheap fuel and they are the bargaining toys,

Wide-body ..... dream on, only way NAS is looking at wide body is WET LEASE.