NASAIR Info (threads merged) - all you need to know about them
 

Hi all

Like the title says, wondering if anyone can give me the gen on pay & conditions for A320 pilots with NASair in Riyadh?

Cheers

- Ajax :)

NASAIR Info.
 

Hello folks,

I have been offered a job with NASAIR. Can anyone shed some light on what it is like to work there? I am supposed to go for 8 weeks of training including ground school and simulator training. What are the check rides and training like?

Thanks.

Do your own search and think twice before you make up your mind.

Thanks wonder. If you are referring to the culture at all, I am very well versed in that since I am a Muslim myself. However, I want information on how they treat the employees, check rides, etc. Where can I get information on that? I have talked to one pilot I know that flies for them, he seems to be happy but I want more input. Thanks again.

Also offered a class at NAS Air today (190). I'm pretty sure that initial training starts in Singapore for indoc and sims.

Do you have any information on NAS?

Unfortunately I know about as much as you do about NAS right now, but I'll PM you as soon as this changes.

You have a choice of two roster patterns:

6 weeks on 3 weeks off or 6 weeks on 2 weeks off. Pay is $11300 and $12700 respectively. Accommodation is provided in a hotel during your stay right now. Medical is provided. Economy class tickets on your time off to home. That is basically it.

Dont confuse religion and culture!!!.

In saudi you will be treated according to your ethnic origin rather than your passport, so the way that one person is treated could be completly different to the next. Only way to find out, is to go there!!!

Mutt

av8r786, I was offered a job last week as well as 3 diff acquaintances of mine. We are considering it, but need more info too. Going to the 320. Riyadh or Jeddah based? Anyone? Buehler?

Waiting on the Chinese sucks... Interviews canceled twice and now who knows.

av8r786 are you currently furloughed? Going to be? De (down)-graded? Feel free to PM me... I am taking a break from aviation in the US.

Jx2

What happened to the 35/31 rostering?

I can't imagine anybody I know tolerating the conditions there with at best a 6 and 3 roster.

A pilot I know there says they are not offering it any more. He says he can do 5 weeks there standing on his head, how much more would one more week be?

nasair
 

If you had a choice between Jeddah and Riyadh, pick Jeddah, beach community, more relaxed, you even see folks sometime waring shorts, mostly in the evening. Little Humid in the summer though. They are entirely too uptight in Riyadh.

Thanks NZ. Are you there or fly for NAS? I was thinking of Jeddah too. I have a cousin there so I would know someone that could show me the ropes.

Nasair?
 

Got same offer.
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The positions are available now for immediate start and the most urgent
matter is your understanding of the terms and conditions (provided in last
email) and your availability.
The positions will not have an interview stage, available pilots that have
the correct credentials and papers will be offered position to join the
NASAIR ground school and
simulator programme. As this last about 8 weeks we would expect a very high
success rate, given the quality and length of the induction course.

Subject to verification of your papers I can offer you start dates as
follows:

1. 21st September
2. 5th October
3. 19th October
4. 2nd November
5. 23rd November
---------------------------------------------------------------

Captain - Full time employee
Remuneration per month
Captain 6 weeks on 3 weeks off employee
Remuneration per month
Basic Salary SAR 30,833 Basic Salary SAR 30,833
Riyadh Allowance SAR 2,500 Riyadh Allowance SAR 2,500
Transportation Allowance SAR 800 Transport Allowance SAR 800 or
provided by NAS
Housing Allowance SAR 8,333 Housing Allowance SAR 8,333
provided by NAS
Guaranteed Flying Allowance SAR 3,750 Not Applicable
Flying Allowance (per month)
Flying Hours SAR per flying hour
51 – 75 hours 250
76 plus hours 400
Flying Allowance (per month)
Flying Hours SAR per flying hour
0 – 25 hours 50
26 – 50 hours 100
51 – 75 hours 250
76 plus hours 400

Does anyone have any information about the FO renumeration package? and can anyone speak on any experiences about flying in Saudi? since I am an American from the Midwest I understand there will be a cultural difference but how is Saudi different from say...The UAE or Qatar?

Nasair Fo
 

nasair
 

I was based in Riyadh 2006-2007, whilst Nas Air was getting started with the 320s. Back and forth to Jeddah and then Dammam. I also interviewd with Netjets ME which is associated with Nas Air, hence the 35 on 31 off. Riyadh sucks, and there were very few expats flying for them, I would be careful on the contract stuff, 6 weeks on with three off is not great, you lose days in travel and the Saudi's will work you hard and try to do everything on the cheap. If you were based in Europe, at least it is closer.

Cheers

Apparently FOs on the 320 (like me) are being offered a permanent contract, meaning no commuting!!!!!! You are based there with 45 days of vacation......WTF

Anybody else experienced that or some folks got the commutable contract for 320 FO?

Thanks

Offer
 

getting an offer with no interview and sim assessment, seems to me mom and pop operations. Good luck.

.... or an airline that urgently needs pilots, they dont care where they come from as long as they can fly!!!

But considering that the majority of the new hires on a recent course FAILED, i would have thought that they would have changed their policies!

Just remember that you will be signing a contract under Saudi Arabian Law with a x day termination clause, so if they do start to get enough crews to fly on the permanent contracts, economic logic dictates that the 6/3 roster period and the crews who were hired under these terms will disappear.

Mutt

living in Saudi
 

what abou living in ex-pat compond? how much does it cost and will family put up with it.

....

2 questions..... do NASAIR offer a "family visa"? Do they offer schooling for kids?

Schooling is extremely expensive and only covers kids up to mid teens, so consider if its financially prudent for you to bring them with you.

Mutt

Nas does not offer schooling, they offer family visa and local medical insurance.

They offer a Family Visa ???... mmm,

Tell that to some of my work mates ... I think not,

Unless your a Saudi..... But then you don't need one!

as for the medical cover, you will have to chase up even getting your own.

Hey guys I am currently awaiting a decision on my application through Storm. Anyone else applying or thinking about it? Feel free to PM.

INDOC
 

Hi folks,

can someone tell us what in th ... world is taking
8 weeks of whatever if you are rated on type???

Any details on hotac?

Anyone already there on the Storm contract?

Rgds
ASkipper

To all those impatiently waiting........

It's RAMADAN over here now and nothing is happening at any speed except the traffic from 4 to 6pm.

Office hours are 10-4 with a good level of absenteeism. Everything slows to Molasses pace including the traffic on Medina Road.

So, just hold your horses, things will pick up in a few weeks.:ok:


.......................................Thats if you still want to come :E

Hi TWOTBAGS,

how is life then in KSA?
How many sectors per day/week?
Off-days per week?
Any Lifestyle beyond the flight deck door?

Many thanks!
ASkipper

Answers for ASkipper

Firstly I dont work for NASair, nor do i live in OERK.

KSA is limiting, if you search PPrune and the net you will see as much, it is not north america, not europe and not asia. If you think it is going to be anything like what you expect back home.............. forget it, not here.

It is however better than a lot of places that some of us have worked in, like deepest darkest africa, butt frozen arctic, or sweety jungle hideaway in SEAsia!:}

Sectors ...... dont know dont work for them:oh:
Days Off.......dont know dont work for them:oh:
Lifestyle.......dont know dont work for them:oh:

seeing a pattern................ but I am related, kinda, sorta.

Its a very trying experience some days and a very pleasing others. Some days seem to see everything that can be FUBAR................become FUBAR:hmm:

Others like what we had the other night are a piece of cake, blast out of one CTZ say the right words on the radio and voila..... direct track 540nm to SID IP just outside destination.:ok:

(BTW SIDs & STARs dont exist here.... but thats another story in itself, so get used to long magenta, or in the bus i suppose it would be long green and being slam dunked onto finals in RUH!):E

I suppose being culturally sensitive is the big issue, know that you are a guest worker, not much higher up the food chain than a Phillipino maid or a Bangladeshi Honey truck man in most of the locals eyes, You just earn more and go home more often.;)

Be careful what you wish for it may come true. Some love it, some hate it, its a matter of finding the right balance for the individual.

Remember when you do come but, no one put a gun to your head to make you sign the contract..........

It gets much worse........... famous word said to me by Gunship Eng....

nasair
 

Hay two bags, you have received an excellent enlightenment on KSA, good on you. I think you will continue to do well there. Any infor on that company I inquired about? Think they are working on my contract as I sit and type.

X man:8

Gday X,

I asked around among the crews here and nobody seems to know much about them...... this is maybe a good thing because if the place is rotten then the bush telegraph usually smells out the rot;) no news is good news really.

We are into a few days of crew change time so i will ask some of the back to backs. Other than that there is not much to report, other than that our ACASS guys are being offered full time contracts. Which is good for the troops and brings a level playing field for all not a two tier system which as you can imagine caused a bit of friction.

Flysafe and expect a mail soon as I am outta here in the next few, when do you go home.

:E

Are they at all flexible on the 500 hour in type requirement? I know of people who applied after me, got an offer, and turned it down while I am still waiting. I'm trying to be patient but I'm wondering if I'm being passed over because of this? I have about 350 in the Ejet. :confused:

Mutt makes an interesting point here but can an airline like NAS attract enough full time employees that are happy to live permanently in KSA? The bulk of the guys in NAS at the moment do it for the fact they don't need to move to the ME and can still spend time at home. So without this incentive then will RUH just be one big parking lot for the many aircraft that NAS has on order? I somehow think that is a very likely scenario if they get rid of the 'commuting' contracts!

Guys

If anybody really wants to work for NAS IM me and I will tell you who to talk to and you will get a job ASAP. Good Luck all.

Get a job asap....................ASAP, are you kidding!! Nothing happens asap, of that i can assure you:ok:

Now please, fly ginger:hmm:

Hi flyhigh
I,m really wondering how that goes in NAS.
I have Candian ////ATPL 5200 TT and 1250 diff airbuses and 650 on A320 F/O.
Untill now i have sent my stuff 4 X but no respond.
Maybe You have an Idea what is going on.
fly safe & take care

One guy handles the initial recruitment (who incidently is not a pilot) and without being rude to him, he doesn't have the insight into what the industry is going through right now, and what could be done to get the right people into NAS. And boy, if they want to expand, they need to be recruiting now, as it can take months to get online - i started in feb, flew for the first time at the end of last month. This is not unusual, and neither is it all the companies fault - there are external issues (entry-exit visa/ work permit/licence verification etc) and these are well covered on different forums for this region. They take time and a good handful of patience (of which flying orange will tell you i'm not that good at - but getting better i hope). This is my personal opinion - there will be others who disagree, but i think that's the point of prune.........

A few people have PM me about life and working conditions here, i will get back to you as soon as posibleas i have just got back from a vacation. Will be in JED on friday in the hotel so will respond to people there

Now please remember to Fly Ginger:}

No Sim/Interview?
 

Wonder, good point...

I did get that offer from NAS also, come and we'll look at your licenses, logbooks, etc. and if it all checks, you'll start training. Interesting , but in my case I have over 13k hrs TT, over 10K PIC and about 8k jet... So you can see that my res should speak for itself....

Only reason I can see them making these bold offers is cause they are desperate for pilots, but hey if at this point I can not pass a sim and panel interview, I should not be flying JETS right! := :eek:

Remember that an interview and sim assessment are not only meant for technical eval.