NetJets

I hear that they have a CP now who at least knows the Operation and is a competent, experienced and respected gentleman amongst the troops.
Gen opinion is that his boss is doing his best to palm the real work off to him so the gross inadequacy's of himself can be if not hidden, at least diluted.
101 Management tactics for the incompetent - surround yourself with competence and hope you can survive!
I hope for the CP's sake he has somewhere to go up his sleeve.... considering the people above him - he doesnt stand much luck for a long life!
Ah.... what a savage machine!

Good luck to the sound folks still earnestly looking for another job - at least industry is improving.

:D

Some hope
 

Yes, the CP is a real gentleman. Sadly - he is outnumbered by folks with lesser integrity, honesty and competence.

I Wish him all the very best! Good luck MF!

:ok:

I heard that NAS (private) are negotiating a contract for an A380 contract at the moment. However, a few months ago there was something about an A340. Don't know if this would be the same client?

Email Is [email protected] Webste Is Njme.com As Always Inside Contacts Are Best.

One of the Saudi Princes has just recently bought an A380
This was in the Farnboro Airshow Last month.

Arabian Jets
 

The good guys and girls will always be welcome at Aarabian Jets!

:ok:

Anybody with updated infos about NAS? in particular E190 fleet? How are rosters, life in Riyahd or Jeddah? Are upgrades to captain happening? How long do crews stay in company in average? how are the perspectives, or is the company doomed to the same fate as SAMA?

Toffair........... this thread is about NJME not NAS, whilst they are similar, they aren't the same, try posting in a NAS thread.

Mutt

@ Mutt

The thread is called "Netjets Middle East/Nas (private jets)"

@ TOFFAIR

After Sep 18th things there ought to be some updates. Or so I hear.

Ashlea you are correct, it is called NJME/NAS PRIVATE Jets, which to me refers to NJME and NAS Aircraft Management, not NAS AIR. Now considering that the question was about E190's. . . Do you think that he is posting in the right place ?

Mutt

I dunno? :O

Well, I was looking for a NAS thread...
Some answer to my questions could also be done by you Bizjets guys,
thanks anyway.

Interview and Sim Assessment
 

Hi all,

I am up for a chat the nasair soon.

Does anybody have any details of the interview process and sim ride.

My search has not turned up much.

LeBus :)

Hi all!
just curious how the rosters look like at NAS, are there E190 based in JED? Are promotions likely for FOs, if yes after what time period or which criteria?
How much do you really get p/m? Do they really honor the commuting contracts?

thanks

NAS NJME Fleet update...
 

Hi TOFFAIR,

According to sources, the consensus seems to be a fleet of the single aisle airbus family and 4x E190s. So, it seems you are in the right place.

Also, as far as I can tell, NAS represents the combination of NetJets ME and a low cost airline all under one roof, NAS.

Check it here:

Nas Air (Saudi Arabia) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think this is accurate.

SJ

Start your own thread then toff...

more NAS antics
 

i applied for this job over 2 years ago and didnt join. i got a phonecall yesterday from the recruiter asking if i was still interested. i was forwarded the T&C's and they are just about half of what they were 2 years ago. in fact there are very close to what i make at my current job. $5600 FO, $8000 CA. there were allowances for hpusing, transportation, and relocation. my info did not differentiate between the 6/3 and full time rosters. what a raw deal; not worth quitting my job. furthermore, the interview is in amman this weekend and 3 days notice is MUCH too little time agree to such an escapade. careful mates, they are looking for suckers.... and read the latest aviation week issue, very weak business plan...

Word around the place is that they are close to running out of cash and going the same way as Sama Airlines...

Thoughts anyone? ...and please no "The King will never let that happen" because I heard that was the mantra at Sama also and look what happened there.

Hustle on:ok:

WAAAAW
 

LAST DFO DIDNT LAST
AND A 320 MNGR DIDNT LAST
AND CAPT S... MI DIDNT LAST
AND CAPT D ..CK DIDNT LAST
AND WE HAVE SAND PILOTS AND RAIN PILOTS AND SNOW PILOTS
PURE ENGLISH STU...............DTY
FAINALY THEY ARE ALL OUT
AND THE SKY IS SAUDI NOW :D:D:D:D:D
IF NO ONE LIKE IT ....SORRY :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:
BUT ENGLISH GOLDEN TIME IS OVER:p:p:p

we have sand pilots because although claims made of 20 plus years of aviation, there is a very big world out there.........outside of ruh-jed-ruh.

We have rain pilots because as part of our remit to fly to India, GACA insisted that the initial flights consist of crews that have India monsoon flight ops experience.............. GACA's call, not ours.

We have snow pilots because as part of the initial contract negotiations, it was a big plus that we had already in place within NAS, pilots who flew regularly to these challenging winter ops airfields, and this helped secure the contract.

Although this is a rumour network, the above is fact. I find it very sad indeed that someone can gloat over people being removed from there positions within the company, especially when these people have invested so much time and effort to help........... yes, HELP all within the company. Two of the people involved i hold in very high regard indeed, both of whom have held positions of responsibilty in 'real' airlines before joining NAS. They have tried to make it work, and by that i mean they have tried to open the potential that NAS has, to improve standards, to esentially make it a profitable, sustainable and more importantly a viable business to grow and prosper........for all, saudi and expat. By trashing their hard work, you are trashing the investment that has been put into this company, saudi investment - Saudi money. I'm sure there are a few of the shareholders would be interested to hear your views on this matter.

Finally, i would like to say that these are my views, everyone in this company knows me by my nickname, i do not hide behind a pseudonym. I also have worked here for 2ys 8 mnths without one single sick day........... shame we all cant say that eh:}

Just remember folks, i'm ginger......... Fly Me:ok:

to ginger
 

i will explain why i said that.....
first ..we all in nas qualified pilots u don't have the right u or any one to say other wise...regarding any one experiences
2..u mad it sound like u r the only one care for the company !!!!
trust me if u find another Job payee's 800 us more u will be the first to leave but we stay.....
guys stop fooling us.....u r in Saudi coz u r not paying TAX
AND IF THIS COMPANY FAILED we will be here and u will be some where else coz we love our country not like some who keep complaining about the country and about Muslims and religion
3..some of u still as u say experienced still call DAMMAM as daman...or cartoon instead of KHARTOUM
4.. most of our X military HAVE BEEN to places u never have dreamed of
so don't talk about experience
5.. u have to know one thing we will stay in our country for ever not like u
and we care about the company way more than u
6..for your last part that u have been in NAS for 3 years and never mad sick !!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
we know why ......coz u rather be dead and fly and not to looooooooooose money
i have seen this allot
just to remind u .......colony time is over
maybe one day u will over come it
for who like it here u r welcome for others i dear u find a better job:ugh::ugh:

Your EGO is bigger than your country :mad:. Good luck with "THE SKY IS SAUDI NOW :D:D:D:D:D"

Dear Saudi Sky,

I thought that I too would join in this debate and add my thoughts to your it.

I agree at NAS we are all qualified pilots, .... BUT there is a massive difference in what level they are at. The management restricted pilots to certain destinations due to this; As a classic example I have asked many FO’s what are the basic limits for the anti-ice and they cannot give me the answer! In the monsoon many do not even understand what the weather radar is telling them and how to interpret it. May I remind you that it was not that long ago when 2 Saudi Capt flying together had a double bleed failure brought on by their lack of knowledge of OEB’s and the aircraft systems. How can you expect these pilots to SAFELY fly in these conditions.

You say we are only in Saudi because were not paying Tax. ... You are correct that many of us do not pay Tax, but if you actually read different countries agreement some do. I must remind you that you as a Saudi do not pay Tax either so your argument is somewhat dumbfounded and very one sided. Many ex Saudia Capts are here only for money as they receive a pension from Saudia and their NAS salary, so maybe they are also here for money and not just the love of NAS as you portray.

You racist comment about complaining about Muslims and Religion I found quite outstanding. In my country we will have places of worship for Catholic’s, Jews, Muslims and whatever religion you wish next to each other the same street, I do not see any of that in Saudi. We do not fly past the Sate of Israel sticking our fingers up and gesticulting at them every time we fly to Beirut, unlike some.
We all came to Saudi open minded and I have the greatest respect for the Muslim religion, but then I don’t understand why the bridge to Bahrain is full every Wednesday evening. Every religion has those at different ends of its specrum and we respect that.

As for sick time, I think you’ll find (until recently) Flying Ginger was on a contract where it did not matter how many or few hours he flew. He turned up for work everytime, on time and did not do sick out of Professionalism and with respect for his work colleagues who he knew would have to cover his duties at short notice if he did not. You attitude that he is mad is not really one of the ‘company man’ you portray. Taking ‘sick days’ whenever you feel like it not only is totally unprofessional, shows complete lack of respect for your colleagues but is something that should be weeded out of the company.

We have some at NAS that think this is a Private Flying club, turning up whenever they want (quite often after the passengers), but you know they are coming at you can hear their spurs clanging on their suede booties. On with their glove(s) and away we go. !!

This company is not Saudia, cannot afford to lose millions of SAR every quarter, we are a commercial company and if we can’t make money we lose our jobs, expats & Saudi’s.

And then of course there are may Professional Pilots, of which NAS has many expat & Saudi alike,

BUT your are not one of them!

Negative Vibe
 

The remarks of "Saudi Sky" only represent himself and not all Saudis in the company. The company relies on both Saudis and Expats and there is a nice team spirit with 90% of the guys. There are also expats among our group who are also at fault and are the (equal) or more to "Saudi Sky" in terms of spirit. I hope this minority on both sides does not spread this negative vibe that does not help the company. As profissional lets keep our dirty laundry in-house. We owe it to the company!

i dont hide
 

to whatisnew........ I agree with you not all Saudis like that

to Fly Ginger....... Saudi pilots don't only fly Jed ruh Jed that shows you don't know any thing and its a shame

to..saudi sky....... every one is welcome in our country as long they work with others in respect
so I disagree with you

to FlyingOrange ..............you are a peace of work I will explain things to you hopping you will understand
FIRST our country policy that we don't recognize the state of Israel so don't involve your self in OUR country policy's
SECOND.saudia is the heart of Islam that's why we don't have churches
like the Vatican they don't have mosques so please think first !!!
THIRD .am one who got sick a lot and its none of any one business because pilots are different than any other job
to explain to you maybe you will understand
if we have flue we don't fly but other job can still do the job
I hope you get it
FORTH. it shows that you are the racist by identifying the nationality of the guys who did the bleed mistake!!
every one in aviation did mistake unless you are superman and I know you are not.
I think I know you... u did SANA'A qualification with me and you slept have of the flight in the jump seat
so don't talk about profession
SIXTH when the last SAUDI DFO AND DFT got out allot of ex made fun of it so I can understand Saudi sky point
SEVENTH when you made fun of the F O who don't know about the radar its simple they just started so they need all inputs from Capt.
not to make a muck out of them
am new in pprune but from what I see am not proud to continue
so I hope every one will stop this and go along together
all the best for you Saudi or not FO or Capt.

Flying orange stop bitching
 

Dear flying orange ,
I know who you are just by the negative attitude you have in all your posts .
I went through all your posts , and i could not find one post positive about Nasair.
So why are you still there ?! . who the hell do you think you are ? .
You should be grateful to wear Nasair uniform , and if you don't like it or you think you are to good to be in Nasair , then get the hell out !!
And we will all pray to God to help the company overcome the lose of your great input , I suggest that you eat your tongue or fingers I should say before you reply to this , coz remember !! , know who you are !! .

About Nas, good place to work for pilots with positive attitude,every airline has issues,just ignore the management,and regarding Saudi Pilots they all are good professionals.

Nas Cost Cutting!!
 

No more crew meals, water, coffee, and no parking permits payed by company. What's next!! It seems that every new manager that comes in,:= the pilot group pays and pays!!!!:= but the problem is that we change management every 3 months so by the end of the year we need to pay Nas for letting us fly the Airbus. :=

Whats Happening at NAS?
 

So whats happening at NAS then??
Thought that this was a good company to fly for??
I see that they are recruiting again but maybe not the place to go, any advice given is greatly appreciated.
Please PM me if you don't want to go public.

Best regards

NAS
 

I do Agree with Sir. Munir.

Add also that during training they can kept you in SA for at least 8 months doing NOTHING , i mean you spend 2 months between sim and ground school and that’s it , wait in the compound like a prisoner for your IOE schedule or GACA checkride

and forget about requesting to go home for at least one week because the close mind chief pilot would not let you go to your home.!!!!!

They think here that they own you!!!

Plus maintenance is totally a pirates work, no stock spares, this airlines doesn't have a hangar, AC's landing on emergency due to smoke on cockpit, engines damaged, AC with recurrent MEL etc....

so believe me , coming here for that money and working conditions, after my experience here it doesn’t worth it ! ! !

I think 4 pilots already gone since the new rules, and there will be more surprises for the management...

se yaaa

NAS Promises
 

Guys thanks very much for your input here.
It is really much appreciated. Maybe time to reconsider.
Cheers for now and lets hope that things improve. Really getting fed up being treated like second class citizen.
Time to roll the dice again.

Roxy

Not worth it anymore with the salary they pay you now. If you fly less than 50 hrs a month you cannot take home more than $8000.00 after paying expences(housing and car). That is if your on the 6/3 contract. More money elsewhere for sure for cpts.:ok:

Re--NAS Promises!
 

Buswind,
Thanks for this as it helps me to build up the true and proper picture??
I take it that you are only flying 50 odd hours a month then??? No use to me I am afraid!
Better off going elsewhere.
Cheers and thanks again to everyone for all your input as I know that some of my friends are also watching this forum in the background.
It's good for us all.

Re---
 

How much do you think that housing and a car or transport will cost per month.
Sorry to ask such basic questions. On the 6/3 they are giving a housing /transport allowance. Is this not enough to cover the costs.?? Never know who is watching the forums but I am sure that you know how much I am tallking about.
Cheers

Captain's monthly salary & benefits:
6/3: basic pay SAR 30,000 + SAR 8,333 housing allowance (if you opt not to live at the NAS compound) + SAR 800 transportation
full-time: same as above + SAR 2,500 education allowance + SAR 2,500 travel allowance

Housing expenses: it really depends on your needs, but it goes from a min of SAR 30,000/year, to SAR 150,000/year (or more). An apartment at a decent compond will cost about SAR 50-70,000/year....very hard to find availability, though.
Transportation expenses: if you buy a used car (very cheap over here), the transportation allowance will more than cover the expenses (but do you really want to drive here?). If you hire a driver it'll cost you about SAR 2000/month, provided that you have your own vehicle. If you opt for a taxi, it'll cost you about SAR 1000/month (depending on where you live).
Then all the extras for the pub, movie theatre, taking the girl out to dinner, etc.:=

Re__ NAS
 

Thanks for that Elporco. I have most of the details already but just wondered about the "Real" cost of things.
Loved the extras but sure they would cost more than my salary!!
Is there any GA in Ryadh do you know?? Even little weightshift microlights flying around.
Thanks again.

Yep, google Saudi Aviation Club.

Mutt

No JED base yet?

Mutt:

I take it the club consists of 340's and 76's? :p

Just looking at the BoD.

Yes, the company is cutting costs. It needs to. These cuts cover all areas of the business and pilots are by no means the only affected population. Regarding crew meals; who wanted them, they were never eaten, and they cost the company a fortune. But in typical fashion, take something away and all hell breaks loose. The fact that people have resigned over this issue is simply amazing. Why did you leave your last company? They made me use the allowance to pay for food.

The truth..

Crews will be paid an allowance that has been benchmarked against our competition (who for a long time have removed crew meals). It can be used to purchase food from the in-flight shop, airport kiosk etc etc

Tea/Coffee/Water will still be provided free of charge. There were a few days where supplies didn't reach the aircraft. I think this is now fixed.

To address Cpt Munir's comments, he's resigned from the company so don't expect anything he says to be positive. Duty hours Max? The average in the high season is 60 block hours. That's hardly max.

Anyone who wants to join you are welcome, and I'm confident you'll find there are numerous positives at nas. Anyone, who works with us and doesn't like it, address your concerns properly so we at least know the issues and can consider them.

Anyone who wants to grandstand, make yourself known, and rest assured, you'll be quickly shown to the door!