ok guys, lets start with one question.
i'm hearing alot of different opinions here. some people say you will work 50 hrs a month and others say you don't get any offdays in riyadh because you fly all the time. is it physically possible that both are correct?

one thing about saudi arabia, for those who never came here. this place is really what you make it. lets be honest for a moment. if you come to saudi arabia with the impression that you'll be attending parties with loads of booze, nice women and all the compliments. working only 20hrs a month and earning a fortune. forget it!!! you'll be just waisting your time.

if you come here with an open mind and accept that their way of doing things is different, you'll soon realise that saudi is not that bad. beleive me, their are alot of worse places you can go to around the globe. there's a lot of good restaurants, malls etc etc to go to. plus you're basicly only a flight away from some interesting places like beirut, cairo, bahrain and the rest where you can go and party your ars......... off if need be. (i'm rapidly becoming an expert on this one)

from what i am seeing about nas as an airline. it is still disorganised as ever. however (for good or worse) they are really trying hard to actually improve the things around here, although in the kingdom things move rather slowly. compound accomodation for one, was already a big step forward in my opinion.

unfortunately there were episodes here, were people tried to pass for captains/training captains/sim instructers etc etc, with thousands of hours experience and the lot, and personally i don't blame them if the company is cautious nowadays about the hiring program. actually i'm glad i won't have to fly with some unprofessional conmen who pretends to know everything and haven't got a clue of what is actually going on, thus basicly playing with my life and a hundred others on the back.

regarding the latest interviews i'm sorry but i have no idea what happened apart from the posts in here. i'm sorry for you guys who feel you've been treated badly.

thats my 2 pence of knowledge!!!

Yep, thats 2 pence worth!!!

Those fab restaurants... McD, KFC, Al Baik

But at least you can get some new high heels in all those lovely malls for your return to Malta!!

As for the flying hours, if your on a 35/31 or Salaryed 6/3 expect to fly every day. If on a contract where you get paid for flying hours expect a drastic slowdown at 50 hours.

HawkPrince .... asume callsign ... SparrowMong

ginger,
sorry, guess i should have made my point clearer. :confused:. there is no way, no matter how you look at it, that NAS is a smooth operation. infact, it is quite the opposite. :ugh: i was comparing the EMB training environment, which is a joke, to the airbus'. a little less confusion on that side, i feel, from where i sit. as for the flight operations themselves, both of those are in disarray !

orange,
are you forgetting Herfy. me thinks so !!! ;)

hi folks,

I got a call from nas for a direct entry capt position no details of compensation package yet.would anyone know how much to expect per month,I was previously in ksa in 2002 10k permonth plus housing 30/30 rota

rgds

a380vip

Will be a 6/3 contract
$8000 pcm
First 50 hrs pcm in basic.
50-75 hours 250 SAR per hour
75+ 400 SAR per hour

Night stop in KSA 200 SAR, outside KSA 400 SAR.

Training (up to a week x 2 a year) in your own time.
Travel in your own time.

6 weeks rotation starts AT END OF LINE TRAINING, that can take upto 6 months.

8000pcm ,is that direct or through an agency ,heard they paymore direct

Direct, think you'll find Contract are a thing of the past

To be precise it 30,000 SAR at 16.52 GMT on 24 Oct that was worth $7999.3601, 5332.3734 Euro or £4905.2076.

But these are mid-market price and you will loose when you transfer it into your local curreny, if not USD which it is linked too.

thanks for the info flying orange,

Would you know of any other operaters or vip operations that are recruiting ,pay etc


RGDS

flynasair pilot interview and sim
 

hello,

I would be grateful for any info on the interview and sim check process for nasair got an assessment coming up soon

thanks in advance

Hi there I was there one of the pilots who were fuxxx by this HR guy Fahad S. Al Kezzi he call himself (Fred)http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif,I did spend more than 700euros on a flight ticket plus food there too,and the interview was nothing at all they didn't even ask me!!,http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/bah.gifthat (Fred) guy is the biggest liar,one of the pilots with us was so angry with him he was going to beat him uphttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/shiner.gif,that is what today Airlines do to the pilots,unorganised and unprofessional,very rude,we were thinking to send all a letter to Mr.Suliman ِAbdullah Al-Hamdanthe CEO of this NAS Airline to tell him about what happend with us in Amman,and we ask them to pay back our flight tickets to Ammanhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif

email sent in compny mail
 

Dear colleagues here are some thoughts of mine:

1.I worked 13 days and didn't have a day off. Not legal you say. Well I show you how: Tuesday morning 05:40 you check out from a Sanaa trip, Wednesday morning 05:40 you check in for another 3 leg duty.24 hours is all you need. Just be flexible with your sleeping rhythm and enjoy your OFF DAY.

2.DFO 09-034 states: You have to be available for duty until 23:59. Please tell me what kind of duty we have that lasts for a minute, because at 00:01 starts my off duty. You just come back from your off rotation. A comfortable 14 Hours in Economy class. You are well rested and relaxed. You have to be because at 0001 you get a call for a 02:00 pickup. Only 4 legs and 12 hours duty. Enjoy your flight and remember :SAFETY FIRST !

3.As all of you I was asked to do some overtime, the company needs me; good feeling. I am always ready to help. But my family needs me and not the money so I agreed to do unpaid overtime if I get the time compensated. I was told this was not possible, so I said NO to the overtime. My November roster shows me 4 days overtime. Don't ask if you anyhow do what you want

4.COO told as it is only a short-term shortage : we all work maximum hours with minimum layover and there is a new aircraft and new routes to fly. Well the hiring is in full swing, the only problem is that it takes 6 to 8 month until the guys are checked out and online. By the way shorterm shortage: for 8 month I tried to get compensated for 8 weeks overtime. Every month I am told that they are unable to give me my time because of shortage. So how long is short-term in NAS?

Finally:Im come into my 6.th year with NAS and besides problems I always felt I worked in a generous company.
Something has changed and not for the good.

Well the good thing is I can always talk with my DFO to express my worries,ah yes, we don't have one at the moment ,but it is only short-term.
Please stay safe and motivated and

GOD BLESS US ALL

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

ALL HE SAY TRUE

FLT TIME LIMIT DO NOT EXIST. CHAGE ROSTER TO SUIT

PILOT TAKE LONG TIME TO COME TO LINE

MANY JUST LEVE

ALL EX-PAT LOKING FOR WORK MANY GOIN TO SAUDIA

BE WARNED

Nas Air Recruitment
 

Hi all!!

I may be invited for an assesment with Nas Air. I am supposed to do a theoretical exam and an interview.

What can I expect? Do you have any clues of books or exams used to evaluate the candidates?

Thx

Nice landings.

:cool:

Same here
 

Any info would be much appreciated, as I may be invited too

Regards!

NAS Selection
 

hi

I am going for the NAS Selection in a few days trough
Sigmar Aviation. Can you please give me a hint, how to pass the Selection?
My email: [email protected]


Thanks and best regards

Fred

Hi there I was there one of the pilots who were Fucd by this Nas Air HR guy Fahad S. Al Kezzi he call himself (Fred)http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif,I did spend more than 700euros on a flight ticket plus food there too,and the Oct interview was nothing at all they didn't even ask me!!,http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/bah.gifthat (Fred) guy is the biggest liar,one of the pilots with us was so angry with him he was going to beat him uphttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/shiner.gif,that is what today Airlines do to the pilots,unorganised and unprofessional,very rude,we were thinking to send all a letter to Mr.Suliman ِAbdullah Al-Hamdanthe CEO of this NAS Airline to tell him about what happend with us in Amman,and we ask them to pay back our flight tickets to Ammanhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif,I'm not joking at all,this is not a good company to work for at all

Nas Air A320 pilot application withdrawals
 

Hi Guys,
I was due to attend Nas air interview in Madrid on the 9th Nov.
When i was advised that Nas has decided not to continue the selection process.
Has this happened to other people interested in Nas Air.
Does anyone have any feedback regarding the withdrawal of the A320 positions.

Flyboyzee

When did you find out and when did you get the initial interview date ?

I have no idea what is going on, but Im interested in the answer and if anyone can enlighten us on the questions asked at interview and anything else.

Uni

Is there anyone with an update or heard anything ?

Uni

NAS Air is not a serious company at all,that all I can say and the rest is up to you allhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/yeees.gif

skypilot320

We understand your concerns and dislike of NAS, but is there any accurate information you add regarding interview format questions sim ride etc.

Question is open to everyone else :ok:

uni

Does anyone have any feed back from the recent interviews held this week? Like interview questions and sim ride ?

I contacted Sigmar aviation and was told the selection is now closed as NAS and Sigmar had everyone they wanted for the interviews this week in Madrid, all candidates exceeded the minimum requirements. They will be able to get all pilots required from this weeks interviews.

mrm:)

After 7 days anyone ? Any news at all ??

:confused:

Any info? :hmm:
Thanks.

Hello!

Anybody has any information about how is the life in NAS AIR and KSA?? are u flying a lot?? how many hours /month?? what about the roster 7 days consecutive OFF, is it true??? is it easy to go home? (Europe)

thanking in advance!

Hi,

If you join on new contract expect to fly about 50 hrs a month, after that you have to get productivity pay, so you don't fly.

You get your 7 days off per month, if you request 2 months in advance you may even get those you want. If you take ANY LEAVE you lose the 7 days OFF, so taking 7 day block of leave basicaly means you zero your leave.

New email said you have to be able to work till midnight on day of departure and be ready for work at 0001 on first day, so check your flight availability to your destination.

I'M NOT WORKING FOR THEM AND I WILL NEVER WORK FOR THEM AT ALL:bored:

Something is definitely changing for the worse here at NAS. They really seem to want to lose a lot of pilots with the recent policies concerning rotations, training on OFF rotations, forcing pilots with a few years seniority on new contracts and giving them first year pay, etc. etc... Morale is definitely going down the drain here as the days go by.

As new contract jobs start to trickle in, more and and more pilots will leave, including Saudi's. If Kostov (COO/DFO) and the gang want to keep tightening the screws, they too will find themselves out of a job soon.

My advice for anyone looking to come here to NAS, be careful and shop around first. There are better jobs starting to come available.

Can anyone explain what the involvement is with the recruitment agencies?

I see them advertising for pilots, are they just doing a short list or supplying crews on contracts ?

What happened in Amman? :confused:

Uni

Any latest info on whats happening with recruitment ? I called agencies and they are non the wiser.

Uni :confused:

Hello Guys,

Can you please tell me what are the min requirements to join NAS......? Thanks in advance

Hello fishbath21,

For FOs they are requesting 1500 TT and 500 in A320.

Hi guys, Happy new year!!!

I would like to speak with NAS pilot, anybody here???, is it true that if i sign 7 consecutive days off per month i will have it?

Yes you will get your 7 days off a month.. when you've finished training.

Remember that you will be used till 2359 on final day and must be avail from 0001 on you first day back.

If you take ANY leave you lose your 7 days off.

When on duty you will be on standby 24/7 if not flying. Bring a big suitcase as you'll be living out of it.

That´s great!! thank you for your reply flyingorange.

How much time do you need to complete your training more or less? i mean, licence conversion, line training etc?
Are you paid since the first day u re there in Riyahd in the training?

thanks! ;-)

FI 21
Can you contact me on PM

I'll answer any questions you have there

There is no New Management Team, he is saying we need a new management team.

I hear we are recruiting again only for A320 Capts, if any of you get the Intro to NAS (was forwarded to me by a friend) being pushed out by Pilot Recruitment Manager don't believe a word of it. It made it laugh so much I almost pee'd myself.

They need Capts now, but still treat all like s*@t, ignore contracts and if you are an ex-pat you will be treated as second class citizen.

If you are a local, you can go sick whenever you want and nothing will happen. Turn up for work at Take Off -5mins, and nothing will happen. Refuse duties if you don't want to do them... and nothing will happen. BUT, if your are an ex-pat...!!!

If any of you are seriously considering this please PM me you questions for a no holds bar answer.

FO

Thank you Flying Orange, i have sent u another Private.

I am afraid what is being sprouted on here is the truth. it has turned quite a bit sour as of late. storm contracts are now being broken by nas, the extensions that were agreed upon are now being met with a 'take it or leave it' offer for a direct contract. recurrent training events are now scheduled during off rotations (your off rotation is adjusted to meet sim times offered by the providers), another broken contractual agreement. As a result some pilots are doing a 10 week on, 3 weeks off rotation. the recruitment clown (what can he think when he reads this thread?) is still in charge, although it is my understanding that he now has an offsider. think that he is an expat, so we can expect him to be ignored and the sh!t show will continue. not too sure what is being said in the interviews, but boys are still turning up. they are looking for capts on the 320 only. hope it helps.

Training and travel to from training been done in own time.

But the idiot who plans it can't send you up ne day, then arrange your sim on the day you travel..... its all, travel day, sim day, sim day, class day etc ... he can't think to multi-task you.

Also they are putting most of us in the sim early than scheduled, so you end up doing 3 sim sessions in a year IN YOUR OWN TIME.

If you complain you are branded as a trouble maker and no-one will change it.

Remember a Saudi contract is written on toilet paper, single ply!!!