SVA ? ................

I've had search through the ME forum but all the info seems about a year old now. Is there anything up to date available now it seems that NAS are recruiting again?

Primarily I would like to know what an FO on the 320 takes home each month on the 6/3week contract?

How many hours flying will you usually do per month?

Is it worth staying in the company accommodation or is it better to take the accommodation and transportation allowance and sort out your own?

Finally, how long realistically will it be when you first move out there until you can first return home, or is that the eternal 'how long is a piece of string' question?

Any info is appreciated, PM me if you prefer.

Thanks
EH

Can you convert a GACA license into a GCAA? Is there any advantage there? My stuff is FAA so I don't have neither, just wondering.

As the GACA licence comes free with 3 tiger tokens off the back of a cornflakes packet, the best thing you could convert it into is a fire lighter for the BBQ:}

Now please remember to Fly Ginger:E

Tiger Tokens
 

Oh Ginger... you are so nasty, and soooo wrong!!

Tiger Tokens come from the back of Frosties NOT Cornflakes!!!!!!!

Mr Hitler, the piece of string is also elastic, so it stretches!!!!

Faa / Gaca
 

Huncowboy,

Before GACA was formed, back when the saudis traded majic carpets for aeroplanes, they took the US/FAA way of doing things as their own... if you come with an FAA ticket then they will convert for you no problem as they operate to FAA regs.

All the best.

Not any longer, expect to do the English Language testing and the written tests again..... :)

Mutt

To bad no one will answer the rest of Hitlers questions.
-Did I just write that?:eek:

desertopsguy,

Thanks for the info. I was trying to see if getting a GACA license would provide any advantages for getting employment with a GCAA airline. Would it look better for interviewing with EY or EK eventually down the road? I know they already take my FAA stuff but having operational experience in the area and gaining a license from a local authority should make my CV better. I would think. Especially if they convert them easily.

I am just trying to estimate the advantages/disadvantages of seeking a temporary position in the ME to get current and gain local experience vs just waiting for my recall in the US and go from there. Hence the question. Regardless, it seems NAS is looking long term only at the moment.

huncowboy,

Don't know who your furloughed from, but recall may take a while at the rate things are going in the US. I took a LOA from my airline, not sure if I will ever go back. I would look for a long term contract.

After reading through these posts, it seems everyone has an opinion about NAS, and they are all completely different. I am currently on a contract for EJME and thinking about jumping ship. Don't know where I want to go, but NAS sounds interesting and I would like to get back on the Bus again.

Can anyone who works for NAS on the Bus give me an idea what the conditions are at NAS. PM me, if you want. Thanks.

Cheers

RWEDAREYET,

My recall is coming up in spring it seems. So at least by next summer I will be in a good position to move on or stay in the US. I am trying to put my bet on one more airline and that will be either EY or EK. I am only interested in a short term move if it really helps my long term goals. If NAS would be looking for contract pilots, it could be beneficial for them and us. I was trying to weight what I would gain vs lose by working there short term. But that is not the case it seems and I think it would look bad to leave them after a couple of months being on line unless that was the original agreement.

To me the #1 problem with seeking permanent position with NAS is the country. We just can't do Saudi for 20+ years. I would love to go to the UAE and hopefully put my last airline on my CV there, then retire. But Saudi seems on the very conservative end of things, and that just does not work for me and my wife. In addition NAS does not look as stable as a national carrier like EY. I could be wrong, I have been before.

Good luck to anyone here with the decisions. This is one big roulette game that I never ever wanted to play.

Huncowboy,

When I said long-term contract, I was thinking a couple of years, not 20. Sorry for the missunderstanding. Short term contracts generally will expect you to be sim current, not sure if you are.

Commuting contracts are what I do, and it has worked for me. I still commute from the States to the MidEast. Leaving tonight after being home for a couple of weeks.

There are a couple of commuting contracts in Asia as well, so you may want to take a look there. I've been looking at a few. I agree that living in the MidEast for the next 20 years would be tough and that's why I choose to do the commuting contracts. Nothing wrong with the MidEast, it just isn't home. I like where I live, don't ever want to leave, so commuting contracts are a must for me.

Good luck with your search.

Cheers

Hi,

Any chance someone working at NAS could answer Eddie's questions below as I was going to ask the same things?

PM me also if you'd prefer.

Many thanks,
Matt. :ok:

PS. Eddie, I take it you area a 'Bottom' fan! Top show. :ok:

Mr Hitlers Q's
 

Okay, to answer your questions;

Expect to take home your basic pay, the rest is done on monthly flying hours. Since the first 50 hours are included in basic you will not often fly over this as they have to pay you extra. Also your 6 weeks will fall over 2 or 3 months, so they can jst fly you 50 hours and still get 100 or more hours out of you in 6 weeks.

Hours per month, read above.

If your on a contract, you stay in company accom. Regardless of what your contract says you will share with others, contractors have complained but Storm do nothing to back them up, and bow to NAS every time.

If your NAS direct you can claim allowance. If you want to live 'local' you can save money otherwise you will have to share to get a decent compound and will use your allowance.

The piece of string is very long.
Last I heard we had 2 Capts that have done 10 months out of their 12 month contract and yet to fly aircraft. Your 6 weeks on STARTS at end of Line Training (IOE). So far they have managed to get away for a few weeks here and there but had to pay for own tickets. Some guys go thro quickly, quick means 4 months or so, others get held up in Visa, Igama, License issues.
Capts quite often get held up as they have to be checked 3 times (oral, sim and line) by GACA (Saudi Aviation Auth) and that can take months as well.

Nothing here happens fast,

Hi all.
what about the writen gaca test? is it a pain in the axx or just some sort of routine check?

thanks in advance.

Flying Orange,

Thanks for your response. Certainly shed a lot more light on the situation for me at least.

I heard NAS is having a recruitment campaing starting on Monday.

Anyone got invited? How´s it supposed to be? (Interview-sim etc..)

This has been a direct call to those who applied through their website(when this was an option) , I applied through an agency but I´m still holding. Anyone applying through an agency got a call?

Thanks

nas very short of pilot, so coo (east block) now decide that pilot no go home till they say so. US pilot had to stay xtra 5 days, and overtime pay is now half.

he say he can do this for op reqirement, if you say no YOU FIRED

brit fo fired for goin off rotatn and visa expir. nas had 3 week to sort out but did not. offer him new contrct on less money and more time.

with lots pilt leav in next month will get worse. last month nas cancel flt due lack pilts. maybe coo should be called HITLER not Mr Eddie

ME sneak, your post sounds like a SITA telex, sorry couldn't resist

RE:
 

Would they hire someone with heavy turbo prop time say 1500? and no type rating on A320?

You min An-22..?????? :}





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new nas contrct

mangement think pilots are plenty. :yuk:

new contrct is $8000 for cpt and $6000 for fo on 6/3.:eek:

work pilot on 35/31 lots as they are on salry, all else work little as poss as they get pay on hours.

For them think about join-
-you are on stby 24/7
-only get 24hr of every 7day(not a day) and if you not call out then is WAS then, not abel to make plan
-flt time limit ignord
-tech of airplane bad, maintince not good
-expcet to hav to fite for time of and all that promised
-coo thik he can change contrct when he like. so do hr

enjoy:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Despite all of the problems that "ME Sneak" so eloquently listed , the job pays pretty damn well and the time off is great. Sure scheduling has their heads up their asses and Antonio is too busy crying in the halls of OCC to actually do his job, but the money is nice. The company will not even stock spare tires and has to order them sometimes taking weeks to get them, but the money is nice and did I mention the time off? Sometimes it's all about the money and if you need a job and don't mind playing Russian Roulette with your personal health and safety then I say go for it.

NAS recruitment in Amman
 

I just heard from a friend who attended the event. He is A320 rated along with other aircraft types and he 's been in aviation for over 15 years.
Very unorganised and unprofessional panel of 5. very rude and everything that Fred Kezi (the recruiter) has promised or said was all a big lie. only 3 were hired from the 35 that attended.
I was looking at NAS myself but hearing all these and talking to guys already there, i am changing my mind. i wish luck to everyone, and hope for the best to everybody.

Hey what's up... a buddy of mine who is not on this forum was in communication with NAS and the Fred Kezzi recruiter guy. He used my account to read through this thread a couple days ago, and wanted to know if you (or your friend that attended) could provide any more details... even bad ones... about their assessment process?

Much obliged for any info, good, bad, or ugly...

I thought everyone stopped listening to Fraud kezzi a long time ago..........:}

On a more serious note, the word on the street is Obi 1 is set to make a dramatic return - am i the only one who thinks he looks like one of the baddies in scooby-doo..............

"i would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you peskie kids........":E

I'm Ginger, Fly me:cool:............and start updating your C.V.'s

Very true indeed..... the whole thing was a bunch of lies! at least they should have respected all those people who paid so much money to travel to amman.

after the first day .... the 12 minute interview most of the people didnt even get contacted about the result.. you have to assume its a NO if they wont call u.............. it was embarrasing!

my friend PILOTARA thanks for posting here..... people should know the truth about the **** happening down there!:D

good day everybody and good luck with your future...

I confirm everything that's been said here from a close friend who attended... very experienced and also took seriously the offer "investing" a considerable amount of money to attend the interview.... I would think it twice if I was called to one of those "recruitment campaigns".... :suspect:

These guys are gonna be crazy looking for captains next year when their A319s start coming in and economy has recovered(or has shown signs of it). It won't be as easy to find candidates as it is now....

I am very sorry for our fellow colleagues that took this very seriously and found nothing but :yuk:

It is very good that the word spreads out..

Amman Recruitment
 

I'm sad to hear that the recruitment in Amman did not go too well, and sorry that you considered the team rude.
Can those who ACTUALLY attend please furnish me with some more details; What they actually did for interview? Why they considered it rude? What are your qualifications (15 years in aviation and a A320 rating can mean that fly a C150 at weekends and just been to GECAT for 3 weeks for rating, or 13 1/2 years as cabin crew). What was your background, been sacked from from last companies? Who was on the 5 man team? Why was what Fred K promised a lie?

I ask these questions as I know, in the past, we have had a few of the above mentioned cases get through the system and that is now probably the cause of so many interview failures.

Sad as we need pilots now!

FO,

Ginger.... your winding me up, its not April Fools day just yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How is the still going?

Bubbling away nicely....................:ok:

no, i'm not kidding - from our check airman (the number one check airman....................oh, thats right, we only have ONE), coming back into a training position. The 330 rumour isn't going away either, though as we are struggling with the jungle jet and the toulouse tree trimmer, adding a third type would be utterly.................................BRILLIANT:}

What we really need is Dr. Evil out of austin powers as our new DFO, he could come up with some reeeeeeeeeaaly evil plans....................the company would still be a mess but a least we would be having a laugh about it!!

Did somebody say we were getting 319's....................Orange will feel right at home:E

Nasair Amman.
 

well they just pay the hotel on Jordan 2 days an after 10 mins interview half aspirants were dismissed and on the sim more than a half were failed after another 15 mins sim check ...well next time better to think to go to this interview company because its a lot of money on the ticket and your chances are so low if you dont have more than 1500 TT and 500 jet,and they are planning to make 5 more screening following the same standars thats why if its near your home go but if there is faraway better to think on it.

Hi Jimmyjoe22, did you have any interview in NAS AIR this month or some months ago?

I am writing for them to call me, i sent my application 1 and a half month ago and still waitting...

Thank you any info is well apreciatted!

regards!

NAS AIR
 

Hi there all what your Friend told you is True 100%,I was there one of the pilots who were fuxxx by this guy Fahad S. Al Kezzi he call himself (Fred):mad:,I did spend more than 700euros on a flight ticket plus food there too,and I have no job now,also I have a family and kids,that was not all they were planing to put us out of our rooms in the street after the interview,so we will sleep in the street:*too!!,that (Fred) guy is the biggest liar,one of the pilots with us was so angry with him he was going to beat him up:ouch:,that is what today Airlines do to the pilots,unorganised and unprofessional,very rude,we were thinking to send all a letter to Mr.Suliman ِAbdullah Al-Hamdanthe CEO of this NAS Airline to tell him about what happend with us in Amman,and we ask them to pay back our flight tickets to Amman:mad:

pilotara: Say

I just heard from a friend who attended the event. He is A320 rated along with other aircraft types and he 's been in aviation for over 15 years.
Very unorganised and unprofessional panel of 5. very rude and everything that Fred Kezi (the recruiter) has promised or said was all a big lie. only 3 were hired from the 35 that attended.
I was looking at NAS myself but hearing all these and talking to guys already there, i am changing my mind. i wish luck to everyone, and hope for the best to everybody.

Sorry to hear about the bad interview experiences. NAS is and likely will always be very disorganized in everything they do including hiring. When I was hired, they didn't even interview me, they just told me to show up for day one of "indoc" if you can even call it that. It is interesting to see that they are going through all of this time and expense to interview now, especially since we need pilots ASAP. But for all of the B.S. getting hired, going through the "training" and flying the line here, it actually is a very good place to work if you want to make a lot of money. Good luck to everyone.

It used to be the place to make money!!! The new contracts are about $2000 dollars down on the old ones.

Now if they want to change your contract they just cancel your visa, sack you for their mistake then offer you a new contract on worse terms, ask a Lemon.!

Its the greedy agencies that are short changing us

Think twice before coming to NAS. Training takes at least 6 months on average. Which you may or may not get to got to go home. Don't plan on flying more then the 50 hours a month when you do fly. So no matter what Fred tells you you will only make minimum pay. For the first year expect to be home for visa or other problems at least 3 months out of 12. (when I think about it that is a positive.)

The place is very disoragnised and will not be getting better anytime soon. Don't treat it as a long term job with the way they waste money. Upper management has big plans with expansion, but flt ops cannot support it and will not for a long time to come.

Living conditions are okay expecially if it is 6/3 contract. Money is not any better to come full time . Morale is low and everypilot is looking for new job.

For those who went to the interviews in Amman. The way you were treated at the event is the same as working at NAS.

Unless you need a job and cannot find one anywere else stay away from NAS.

For the most part, what has been said on here is truth. things aren't a well oiled machine like we would want them to be. however, right now, it is not a bad gig in this economic climate. i dont know too many guys here that are looking for this place to be the career airline.

the time line for training is accurate, for the EMB, not the 320. it is a fairly smooth operation on the 320 side. on the EMB side, there are not enough TRE/TRI to do the intial IOE stuff. also GACA is hard to nail down for the captain rides.

as for F.K., he is a joke. don't believe a word he says. he thinks that he swings a big axe around here, but he is a recruiter. once you are in, thankfully, you have nothing to do with the guy. there are 3 contracts out there right now, 35-31 (all but done), storm agency (no new contracts to be issued) and the direct (the company is now pushing one and all towards these). the basic money is less on the direct contract, but if you fly a bunch, and with the additionals, you can possibly make a bit more money than before the new contract. possibly !!!

not sure about upgrades. some of the expat guys are due the upgrade, but are in the office trying to justify why they should get it, even though they meet the company published upgrade criteria ?? will have to wait and see on that front.

not much of a social life, especially once checked to line. if you are lucky enough to get a day or two off, you are recharging the batteries. some are off to other compounds to enjoy themselves, others to the gym, some you never see. no booze in the country, although some do attempt it :) :oh:

this place is what you make of it. if you come here expecting PBS, a hard and fast contract, a union, etc, you will be shagged after the first month. it does not happen like that here. on the 6 and 3 contract, you should know that you are going to play by their rules (and they change them sometimes) and probably fly a fair bit for 6 weeks. then, you are going to go home, and not give a rats' kyber about the place for 20 or so days. then you do it again. you do it, till you have had enough for good !

all done, ask away

sytem logic
 

Well i never thought i would hear the words smooth operation, 320 and NAS in the same sentence....................:}

Fly me, i'm Ginger:cool: