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Dropped entry requirements
 

I see Qatar has dropped their entry requirements from 2000TT to 1000 Jet. Does this mean they are struggling to find FO's to fill the seats of their narrow and wide body fleets?

Do you see any other reason to drop the requirement? I don't.

**** & unfair Roster (A-320!)-a Mafia Spoiling the entire jeppensen system-seniority not reward-Not a single confirmed annual leave ticket(i you dare to take your well deserved leave during summer time or any other "high" period-No consideration-No thanks-Management only waiting for you to do the first mistake to punish you-one of the lowest wage/conditon compared to our neighbouring rival here in the gulf....
What do you expect.....:confused:

Dude why dont you jus leave, Mo fo??? sick n tired of your bitchin!!!!:ugh:

Cruisin..:
Next time come here with usefull informations instead of just blaming people who rise true fact and issue.

Cheap First Officers to come ( Second Officer now is a guy with 1500 hs of MCC turboprop,WOW) WTF!!!!!!

That,apart from reducing the min for First officers to 1000 TT and can include fighter pilots (High Performance Military Jets ) ,lol.

Flight Deck Crew Requirements | Qatar Airways


Second Officers - Fast Track
Minimum of 1,500 hours in Modern Multi Pilot Turbo-Prop greater than 12,000kg MTOW
Valid ICAO ATPL or Frozen ATPL
Valid Class 1 Medical.
ICAO English Proficiency Minimum level 4.
Age below 35 years.

People who waited for raise in the salary will in reality see a new lower salary

well said krugerflap

i think the same - there were rumors last year about an increase nothing happened - this year, well rumors - nothing but rumors

and why should they increase the salary? punch of new people coming every month (especially on 330 and 777 passing by the guys from 320 and 300), and somebody wrote earlier, because they NEED the job, so why?

situation will get worse instead of better, rostering mafia screwing everything, new leave system a joke, no more 4 off days in a row and and and

doha - well, just come and see

cheers:ok:

loc22550
 

Sorry to see you guys are clearly frustrated there...

For some of us, Qatar is the ONLY option left-its this or allow my ATPL license to expire. I was made redundant 10 months ago and have had no luck in getting another job due to the current climate here in Europe.

So... while it may be terrible there for you, its going to be a whole lot better than what I have going for me at the moment. I'm certain i'm not the only person in this situation. So please...Give us a bit of slack. ---Everything you are saying now has been said a million times in the previous hundred or so pages!


(I have 3000TT, Jet, and I applied 2 months ago, haven't heard a thing, and am obviously confused now the requirements have been dropped, as they stand i now more than meet the minimum requirements and still haven't got a call)

Be careful what you wish for...
 

Will your family be joining you in Doha?

When I answered this question the interview was clearly over. The interviewer, a Brit, began to drill down. If we hire you there is a 99.9% chance you will be an FO on the A320, not the 777. When will you see your family? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/wbored.gif

From what I read in this forum, why would I subject my family to 30 days a month in Doha when I will only be there for 8? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/confused.gif Why should they be made to suffer because of where I choose to work?

Mine was an honest answer. His response though was quite telling. Clearly they want a captive workforce. It is then impossible for the unhappy pilot to get off the airplane in London with no intention of returning while his family is being held hostage in Doha. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif

it is a cage here, you are right. all they want is, that you work, family, your interests, friends are another thing.

i do not mind working, not at all, but at least give something back - if you want something from rostering it is 100% not possible unless you go to your chief pilot, ask for permission - takes too much effort and too much time
on the other hand, if they want something from you, you have to do it, without asking - if you ask, you will get in trouble sooner or later.

and to you foreveryoung: obviously nobody briefed you, that they do not want to hear the truth or be yourself - be honest
anyway, i think you will not miss it

good luck with your career :ok:

Hello,

What can a first year FO bring each month at Qatar, and what other benefits are provided such as lodging and school for children.

thanks

You could just look on PPJN, but...

Basic for an F/O/month
18000 QR
10000 QR or Accom (for F/O you have no choice..pretty much)
1500 Transport
300 Utilities

50000 QR Education up to 3 kids, but that is total not per child.

Depending on fleet flying pay per month once established about 8000 QR.

Most Europeans have been left with no choice and accept it's either a long-distance relationship or move them over and enjoy the pool.

If you are single and want to meet women remember this fact: 350000 women, 1.2 million men. 'Ladies Day' over here tend to become sausage fests. Nice...

Well that's great if you're German !


I've worked for several other airlines and none of them have given a sh*t about any of the above, most employers don't !!!


I think the dropping in requirements for second officers doesn't mean no raise in salary - they obviously can't recruit enough people !!

just think is it really as bad as all the people moaning on hear say - it just seems to be the same 5 or 6 sad fuc*ers every time on here. Because they have no real life outside of this website.

There must be almost 2000 pilots here - is every single one of them unhappy ?? no just they same old whingers on here, have a look back - you will see only 5 or 6 of the same names on here complaining - please get a life, then you might not complain - there are lots of attractive crew here - just find a nice one to fu*k and chill out.................................

For any Americans who have interviewed at QR, did everyone have their ATPL? OR did anyone get a call with Comm-ME/I and ATP Written completed? Sorry, we don't have a "frozen" ATPL in America, so I'm trying to gauge if it's still okay to apply to QR with a Comm-ME/I and ATP Written completed.

well bigbad

seems you live in a different world - my wife and i, we enjoy it here - :confused:

she just came back from europe - having drinks outside, nice weather, no dust, normal traffic, no stupid what to do, GREEN, not only the pool-villagio-city center-inland sea

and for me, i came here to have a career, get some money in the pocket

i get neither my expected money - nor i have a career - and how the airline is run, it is a joke, just make some small adjustments (it does not even cost them anything) and it would be the best in the world, but here, with their closed mind short term thinking, corruption etc.

what shall i say - did i miss anything

yes, you r right, most of the companies, they do not care about your private life, but if you get 5900 euros with no retirement scheme, school fees from another planet (and i want my kids in a good school), health care system= just take come panadol, dust, crazy traffic, uncivilized and uneducated people

you should think twice of coming here

ps: have fun with your cabin crew(kinder garden) and get in trouble, you will be neither the first nor the last one

I have some friends that went to Miami for the interview...25-28 ppl failed on the written out of 30.why the he'll they are wasting our time trying to recruit us pilots when they ask jaa questions????it's just stupid... Flying in the busiest airports in the world makes u worthless cause u don't know how to read a jaa metar and taf???if they were really that desperate they wouldn't ask those things....if they need us pilots they need to change the mentality. 3 guys had 4000 plus hours.....just my opinion

flapsfullretard
 

I'm sure. You are not ready to become a captain. :mad:

Quote By BIGBAD:
"Just find a nice one to Fu*k and chill out.."
This kind of childish quote sure doesn't come out from a very mature & developped brain.

Royalblue

FYI
Qatar Airways is a JAA compliant airline. Atleast you need to know how to read a Metar and Taf to work here. :rolleyes:
QA does not need US pilots as you put it, the requirement is for pilots. The Failure rate is lower in Asian or European interviews due to the fact they are more familiar with the JAA system.
At present only 3 out of the near 90 destinations QA operates are in the US. Our pilots need to know much more than just the FAA system.

there is a whole world out there mate, and it's not called America.

Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

So you are telling me that all the heavy mainline us pilots have problems on going to all the other places in the world without having jaa experience and knowledge? I assume u have tons of experience and hours so u know that after a certain point it's all the same. You train pilots to your company standards an they adapt with no problems. Why some us pilots that got hired there couple years ago have no problems at all???it's all bs IMO .....and the world has more countries than America of course but..... Tell me how many of your fo s have been in a busy environment 24/7 like JFK,chicago, ewr, clt,atl etc etc...

I went in December and passed the written. Why? Because I asked what the written was and I prepared for it. All the JAA info is available on line. Took a lot of reading, but doable.
I did not get the job because I pulled a boner in the sim!! LOL

Kempilot, don't know if it means something different in the US but, if you really pulled one of those in the sim its likely to be seen as a little 'informal'. Best of luck though.

Royalblue, I think there are some busy airports outside the States. I get your point but don't, please, insinuate that existing QR FOs are inferior to you because not all are from busy US fields.

You got me wrong.I am not insulting any of the fos of Qatar or saying I am superior. Just make it fair to everybody like ek does...if u check their written it's not as bad as Qatar. Flying is flying has nothing to do with nonsense questions about weird mountainous clouds nor seconds of passenger evacuation....either way u always follow the checklist ;) . U prefer to have a fo with 1000 hours with full knowledge of the jaa or a guy with 4-5k hours that's been on tough situations before and has better knowledge of crm(due to more experience) when **** hits the fan?

I will just keep silence and not comment on the previous post... :) keep the good job down there and fly safe

Royalblue, I agree with you, the selection process shouldn't be so heavily weighted towards the technical exam. They should try to build a more complete picture on the individual. Procedural differences can be picked up on line, but things like good judgment, good flight deck management, good handling are of much greater benefit and cannot always be taught and take longer to acquire. The company needs to recognise this.

To the US guys, my adivce to you, definitely don't go into the exam 'freestyling'. Put in some study before hand. The more good guys down here the better. :ok:

Thanks gutter that's exactly what I was trying to say. It's impossible to cover all the jaa questions in the short period between your notice and interview date when u fly the line. It's just a waste of qatars money an our time to fly all the way to Doha to fail in 30 mins without even doing a personal interview......overall pretty good experience but the way they deal with the technical questions just makes no sense.

What is the current hiring expereince at?
 

Hi gals and guys, I have been reading the thread for awhile now and I was wondering what the current hiring experience is at? I saw on the recruitment webpage that Qatar is now accepting applications from 1000 hour heavy turboprop captains...
Has the barrel gone dry of willing jet endorsed and experienced f/o's??
Thanks
6to8

Hi!

Minimums:
My buddy showed me that QR has just lowered their requirements:

First Officers
Minimum of 1,000 hours in one of the following categories:
- Multi Crew, Multi Engine Jet Aircraft
- Command Turbo-Prop above 20,000kg MTOW
- High Performance Military Jets
Valid ICAO ATPL or Frozen ATPL
Valid Instrument Rating
Valid Class 1 Medical.
ICAO English Proficiency Minimum level 4.
Age below 50 years at date of joining
Experience Commensurate With Age

I applied about a year ago, when I met the minimums. After 2 or 3 months, they raised them and I did not meet them. Now I meet them again, so I will re-apply.

US Pilots:
The US does NOT have the easiest system of testing. That award goes to the countries where it is practical (and NOT uncommon) to pay money, and get your testing results and/or licenses without doing anything, hence no studying needed.

Do I think QR should change their written test? The question is irrelevant to us pilots thinking about QR. QR controls their own recruitment process, and they can do whatever they want. If you don't like it, don't apply.
On the other hand, if enough pilots fail the written, and they are short enough, they will probably change the written test to reduce the number of failures.

cliff
LFW

Well a good example is EK. Middle east company looking for pilots from all over the world. 50% + ppl fail on sim and psychic test. Is that fair? YES.... at 4000+ hours U got plenty of experience to fly any profile they give u. If u have a bad day then yes its a good reason to fail your interview. Failing on answering about climb gradient % on go around is a different story....2-3 years ago Qatar used to take in consideration written+personal interview and then give u thumbs up or down for the sim . Hopefully they will realise that instead of dropping the mins to 250 hours in the future :). Don't get me wrong I still want to come and work there :)

Royalblue

stop thinking that it is some kind of flying club over here. I joined nearly a decade ago and even then you had to pass the written before carrying on to the interview. granted it was a much different exam than that of today, it was an actually direct copy of the Cathay Pacific written. The standard has been raised for good reason. The old process seen many people with a very low standard slip thru. To help prevent this from happening the management change back then adjusted the standard.

just because so many candidates on that side of the world do not meet the standard, that will not change anything here mate. Many pilots still make it thru, as did the candidates from Spanair, SAS, Virgin Atlantic, Thompson Fly, FlyBe, Zoom, XL Airways, Varig, Aerolinas Argentina, LanChile TAM, Alitalia, Singapore Airlines, Vietnam Airlines, EvaAir, early retired Cathay Pacific pilots have already joined, and the list goes on.
I can assure you all of the above know what the G/A climb gradient is. After all it's not rocket science.


Poisoned by Compromise
Krunch

Capt Krunch
The voice of reason, the truth and common sense.
You're communication skills are top notch, you should get a job in Management!! :\

Question about application and hiring mins
 

Hello all. Quick question for anyone that might know. I see that EFIS time of 500 hours is requested from applicants. The application I completed however has nowhere to indicate that one actually has EFIS time.

Does anyone know if this is derived from the a/c types you've flown as listed on the app?

Are there any other ways of communicating this information to them outside of the app and resume?

Thanks in advance!

JAR
 

As per JAR 25/121 subpart B, a 2.1% climb gradient is required for a twin engine aircraft with an engine out and a 2.7% for a 4 engine aircraft.

Hope this helps.:ok:

It's 2.4 isn't it for a twin.

Approach Climb: 2.1% (2.5% for CATII/III approach).

safelife, 2.4% is for the second segment in the take-off flight path.

SO Fast track
 

Hello all,

Can anyone shed some light on the SO fast track program for which the requirements have been posted?

ie. Who are the target candidates (what level of experience will a competitive candidate have)? What does the term "Fast Track" imply? Is the program designed as a cruise relief pilot program for the ULH, and LH fleets, or will it be a program spread across the various fleets? Obviously, salary information and any details of the recruitment process (if at all different from the FO recruitment) will also be appreciated.

Regards,

Vmeup

Hi,

I've been invited in doha for the interview. Can someone tell me if it's the same process than before (mean few pages earlier on this topic ) or I can expect new stuff.

Also for wicht of fleet are they recruiting for 777 or 320?

Many thanks

Hey guys--I noticed the requirements section no longer states (FAA written examination not accepted) (fATPL requirement).

Anyone know if they've removed that req. or does it still stand??? My internal contacts weren't sure what the current policy was on FAA written + CPL

Thx...